Shedeur Sanders

[shopson67]

THIS regime and they did not draft Baker and certainly not Couch. Only QB they drafted was round 5. as to Baker, though? when he was healthy, yes, he did play at or above expectations.

want to connect them with Kosar, too? How about Otto Graham?

This regime also has done nothing to erase that stigma however.

What draft successes can this regime point to?

 

[dtgold88]

This regime also has done nothing to erase that stigma however.

What draft successes can this regime point to?

If we are talking QBs none but why would Shedeur cared if we had success with a QB drafted by us or someone else? Seems like stefanski has been successful with QBs like him. stay in pocket and supposedly accurate.

But either way what's the diff.....if the Browns take him and he does not want to come (and lied about what they have said) what's he going to do....quit?

 

[Wamu]

Sheduer won't sniff Bo Nix rookie numbers.

Move those goal posts. Nix has nothing to do with this conversation. It's great that you're completely incapable of acknowledging what you said was nothing more that hatred & bullshit.

You called Hunter a Heisman WR when he was at Jackson State. And what you said about Sander was also incorrect. Is there any reason to ask what's wrong with you? Nope.

 

[Wamu]

I mean - this is kind of a half-truth. You are right he wasn't a Heisman guy, but I believe Hunter was the top ranked kid in his class. His kid was a high 4*. Sanders was able to recruit high 3*, 4*, and a 5* to a program that played in a conference/division with kids who had barely 1*-2* on average. Of course they ended up winning a lot of games. It wouldn't take a lot of coaching to do this - sometimes when the other team is so overloaded with talent - it really doesn't matter much. I feel that this was largely the case when he was at JSU.

Similar path at Colorado. Yes, they had been horrible for years...but in year 1 in a down PAC12 - they won 4 games. Now, this year - they did better at 9-4, and 7-2 in conference - but B12 also had a pretty down year in football overall - and it took several 'miracle' moments for Colorado to win a few of their games. Sanders has them on the right track, but we'll see what he can do without his kid at QB, and a former 5*/Heisman guy at WR (along with a very good WR corps).

We'll see how Colorado does this year, if they can continue or build off their 9 win season last year - I think more will come around on his coaching...but if they falter and end up back to 4-5 wins...I think it's fair to question a bit of how Sanders does things. I'm not sure there's enough either way yet to know for sure just how good of a coach he is (or isn't).

As for his kid at QB - not sold. Watched a fair amount of B12 games this year with Cincinnati now in the B12...I would have a lot of questions about the scheme they ran (tons of 3 yards or less passes or behind the LOS) - and the lack of plays that required him to actually drop back and process/read a defense. While he's able to move around in the pocket well, and extend plays - he's far from what you would call a runner. In the right scheme, I think he could do well - I could see a lot of Tua in his game...but, I think he would hugely benefit from landing in a place that could offer him a year of learning the NFL game/processing from the pocket. I think his floor is probably higher than most may think, but I'm not sold that he's got a high ceiling. Time will tell.

"I mean- this is kind of half-truth."

You really should have looked at Hunter's CFB stats before saying all this stuff.

It's not a half-truth because Hunter wasn't considered a great WR when he played at Jackson State. Here are his 2022 receiving stats.

18 catches / 190 yards / 4 td's

And here are his 2023 stats at CU. 57- 721- 5

 

[Cincyfan78]

"I mean- this is kind of half-truth."

You really should have looked at Hunter's CFB stats before saying all this stuff.

It's not a half-truth because Hunter wasn't considered a great WR when he played at Jackson State. Here are his 2022 receiving stats.

18 catches / 190 yards / 4 td's

And here are his 2023 stats at CU. 57- 721- 5

And was he, or was he not, a 5* recruit? How many other HBCU get the kind of players that went to JSU...Sanders was a high 4...again, when the other teams' defense is full of 1-2* recruits, on average...

You can spin this anyway you like, and I think I've been pretty objective overall about Sanders' abilities going forward...high floor, but I think a lower ceiling until more is proven...but trying to say that they turned that around simply because of how good they were is only half the story - so yes...a half truth.

 

[Wamu]

And was he, or was he not, a 5* recruit? How many other HBCU get the kind of players that went to JSU...Sanders was a high 4...again, when the other teams' defense is full of 1-2* recruits, on average...

You can spin this anyway you like, and I think I've been pretty objective overall about Sanders' abilities going forward...high floor, but I think a lower ceiling until more is proven...but trying to say that they turned that around simply because of how good they were is only half the story - so yes...a half truth.

Was he or was he not an elite wr in 2022 and 2023?

You might not want to answer that so I will for you. No he wasn't. <---

He wasn't an elite wr at Jackson State or his first year at CU.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Was he or was he not an elite wr in 2022 and 2023?

You might not want to answer that so I will for you. No he wasn't. <---

He wasn't an elite wr at Jackson State or his first year at CU.

It's really not worth going around - it isn't just hunter...but the point remains - even if he wasn't a great WR, he was still much higher rated, and better talented than the kids on the other side of the field. Same for other positions. When you walk out onto the field and you are already out-talenting the other team by a wide margin - you don't have to be great, just good enough - which is what I think exactly happened at JSU.

It's why in year 1 at CU, they all struggled, they had a better year this year - in a very down year in the B12 - and still needed a few miracle plays to get them there.

We'll find out just how good Deion is as a coach this coming year, and we'll find out just how good Sanders is as a QB when a team drafts him and he gets a chance - but if you think they were just so good because the talent on the other side of the field was really good, and Sanders and Co were just better - I mean...you're wrong. In JSU it wasn't even close in talent, and while they did better at Colorado - they couldn't get over the hump against a very average B12 league...