Shanahan Fired

[TKO]

I think we all agree he does not want to sign a deal as potential back up. There are some pretty shitty QBs in the league right now, I would think he would get an offer the Pats could not or would not match. If we wait until next year or 2015 we get nothing, isn't that right?

Yeah, he's an UFA in 2015 unless they tag him...can't see that.

7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2,947,828 contract. The deal included a $646,876 signing bonus. 2014: $776,976, 2015: Free Agent

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Yeah, he's an UFA in 2015 unless they tag him...can't see that.

7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2,947,828 contract. The deal included a $646,876 signing bonus. 2014: $776,976, 2015: Free Agent

So in a nutshell it's best to try and make a pre draft move this year with him? If we can fool the Browns into taking him and Josh we can get a QB in this draft class.

 

[TKO]

So in a nutshell it's best to try and make a pre draft move this year with him? If we can fool the Browns into taking him and Josh we can get a QB in this draft class.

I'd like to see it happen pre-draft so the Pats can use the pick this year but the trading partner will want to sign him to a long term deal so they'll need the cap room to do it.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

I'd like to see it happen pre-draft so the Pats can use the pick this year but the trading partner will want to sign him to a long term deal so they'll need the cap room to do it.

They have to be under cap at start of next season correct?

 

[TKO]

They have to be under cap at start of next season correct?

All teams have a floor they can't go below and a cap or ceiling they can't go above. The 53 man roster determines the amount. There are still things that can mess with the figures...a team can carry over unused space from one year to the next and bonuses can be spread out. Who knows what else they can do with the new CBA.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

All teams have a floor they can't go below and a cap or ceiling they can't go above. The 53 man roster determines the amount. There are still things that can mess with the figures...a team can carry over unused space from one year to the next and bonuses can be spread out. Who knows what else they can do with the new CBA.

I guess what I am asking is can a team during the course of the off season exceed the cap so long as they are under the cap at the start of the season? I ask because if the Browns did have interest in a package deal they could work the numbers to get under the cap before the season starts.

 

[JDM]

Not sure I follow. Building a team is about the future no team is built on a one year plan.

Brady's here now. We're already in very good shape for the future and we're nearing the point where too many draft picks don't have a lot of spaces to earn. An extra year with the assurance of having Mallett at backup is valuable. Every chance at a run right now we can get we should take.

I do also offer a reasonable extension (Brady's cap numbers aren't bad and a couple mil a year at backup still puts us in good shape from a QB cap hit perspective), but backup QB is a very important position and it puts us in better shape to win next year to keep mallett. He may or may not take a contract extension with the implication that he is the heir to Brady, but you still put it on the table. Either way a second round pick or even a late first rounder isn't enough that I move him. Keep him at backup, let him play out his contract, and go from there.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Brady's here now. We're already in very good shape for the future and we're nearing the point where too many draft picks don't have a lot of spaces to earn. An extra year with the assurance of having Mallett at backup is valuable. Every chance at a run right now we can get we should take.

I do also offer a reasonable extension (Brady's cap numbers aren't bad and a couple mil a year at backup still puts us in good shape from a QB cap hit perspective), but backup QB is a very important position and it puts us in better shape to win next year to keep mallett. He may or may not take a contract extension with the implication that he is the heir to Brady, but you still put it on the table. Either way a second round pick or even a late first rounder isn't enough that I move him. Keep him at backup, let him play out his contract, and go from there.

If Mallett were to take an extension then that would help, but Tom want's to play for three or four more years he said that, Ryan knows that, I can't see him signing a three or four year extension to be a back up.

 

[TKO]

I guess what I am asking is can a team during the course of the off season exceed the cap so long as they are under the cap at the start of the season? I ask because if the Browns did have interest in a package deal they could work the numbers to get under the cap before the season starts.

They can't be over the cap but during the offseason only the top 51 salaries count against it so they have some leeway. When the season starts they have to account for the contracts of the whole 53 man roster and the practice squad.

 

[TKO]

Brady's here now. We're already in very good shape for the future and we're nearing the point where too many draft picks don't have a lot of spaces to earn. An extra year with the assurance of having Mallett at backup is valuable. Every chance at a run right now we can get we should take.

I do also offer a reasonable extension (Brady's cap numbers aren't bad and a couple mil a year at backup still puts us in good shape from a QB cap hit perspective), but backup QB is a very important position and it puts us in better shape to win next year to keep mallett. He may or may not take a contract extension with the implication that he is the heir to Brady, but you still put it on the table. Either way a second round pick or even a late first rounder isn't enough that I move him. Keep him at backup, let him play out his contract, and go from there.

IMO...doing an extension depends on what he and his reps believe his worth is and if they think he can do better with another team in 2015. If he's another Scott Zolak type, he could remain Brady's backup and have job security, but if he can start he'd be a fool to stay for backup money. A late 1st or another 2nd rounder comes with risks, as we've seen, but you get nothing if you let him walk.

 

[JDM]

It's not just being able to start. It's what kind of situation he'll be in if he does get the opportunity, and it's the security of money now versus waiting a year and hoping nothing changes in terms of his value. What does he demand without playing a game? If I'm him, I wait it out and find the right situation next year, but it's worth floating him the offer. If belichick thinks he's the guy, a 3 year, 12 mil extension is nothing. But if you guarantee half that and making an impact on the market isn't guaranteed, it's worth him considering.

Again, that's just how you play it extension wise. With no extension I keep him around the extra year. We aren't getting a starter or immediate impact guy with a second IMO, and while Mallett may not be either, do we want a Curtis painter situation? What if Brady could make it back and we're too late to make noise? That security for an extra year is worth as much to me as a second or even late first rounder, especially when his current cap hit is negligible. A little insurance goes a long way.

 

[TKO]

It's not just being able to start. It's what kind of situation he'll be in if he does get the opportunity, and it's the security of money now versus waiting a year and hoping nothing changes in terms of his value. What does he demand without playing a game? If I'm him, I wait it out and find the right situation next year, but it's worth floating him the offer. If belichick thinks he's the guy, a 3 year, 12 mil extension is nothing. But if you guarantee half that and making an impact on the market isn't guaranteed, it's worth him considering.

Again, that's just how you play it extension wise. With no extension I keep him around the extra year. We aren't getting a starter or immediate impact guy with a second IMO, and while Mallett may not be either, do we want a Curtis painter situation? What if Brady could make it back and we're too late to make noise? That security for an extra year is worth as much to me as a second or even late first rounder, especially when his current cap hit is negligible. A little insurance goes a long way.

Yeah, there's no guarantee he'll get an opportunity with another team in 2015 but if he signs a three year deal to sit behind Brady it could be his last contract. I suppose the market will settle the issue. They had no serious offers last year when it was a pretty weak draft year for QBs and this year is supposed to be better so there might not be any again. McDaniels will interview for the Browns job so stay tuned.

 

[JDM]

The extension is ideal but unlikely. My point is that without it I still keep him.

 

[briz almighty]

hire greg schiano anyone? maybe he can teach patricia a thing or two.

 

[SDGuy73]

Okay.....those of you talking about getting a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for Mallett are delusional. He hasn't shown he's worth that. You could tender him if someone signs him....I think.

 

[briz almighty]

Okay.....those of you talking about getting a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for Mallett are delusional. He hasn't shown he's worth that. You could tender him if someone signs him....I think.

branch, bledsoe, seymore werent worth 1sts but theres alot of stupid teams out there. bb gunna r*pe some team or they aint getting mallett.

 

[SDGuy73]

branch, bledsoe, seymore werent worth 1sts but theres alot of stupid teams out there. bb gunna r*pe some team or they aint getting mallett.

LOL. You are one of the delusional I was referring too. At least Branch, Bledsoe & Seymore produced. Mallett has started one game or even played mop up duty. Other than kneel downs. He hasn't looked great in the pre-season. This isn't the Cassell situation.

He'll, I'd call the skins about Cousins before I'd call the Pats about Mallett.

 

[briz almighty]

the only thing cassel proved to me the year brady went down is he totally sucks. inherit a 16-0 team with the best wr in history in randle and the best slot wr in welker and you miss the playoffs and lose to all the good teams you played. the only wins we got were against scrub teams. trading him for the 1st pick in round two was grand theft auto.

i never understood why people say qbs need to play and prove themselves before they can be traded for a high pick. every qb in the draft that is taken is picked without playing a snap in the nfl. maybe a scrub 6th, 7th, or undrafted free agent qb might have to but mallett was an elite college qb who "fell" to the third round, everyone knows hes good and the pats got a steal.

 

[TKO]

Okay.....those of you talking about getting a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for Mallett are delusional. He hasn't shown he's worth that. You could tender him if someone signs him....I think.

Teams can only tender Restricted free agents, Mallett will have four years under his belt in 2015 and will become Unrestricted.

(2014)March 11 — Prior to 4:00 p.m. New York time, clubs must submit a Minimum Salary Tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2013 contracts and who have fewer than three Accrued Seasons of free agency credit.

 

[JDM]

Okay.....those of you talking about getting a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for Mallett are delusional. He hasn't shown he's worth that. You could tender him if someone signs him....I think.

There have been rumors at least one or two offers of second rounders for Mallett were rightfully turned down. Regardless I turn down most first rounders too. He's not on the market IMO.