Second cup of Coffee Talk

[KennyBanyeah]

He's said a lot of words. He hasn't actually done anything to fundamentally alter for the worse any of those institutions he mentioned. Shit, the one thing that under the current makeup of congress should've been a slam fucking dunk for him (Obamacare repeal) he couldn't even get done. The tax overhaul is literally the first fundamentally life-altering legislation he's enacted and it took a year to get to that and leaves him with about one more year to get anything else done before he likely loses one of the chambers of congress.

Trump still hasn't pulled even 5% of the shit Richard Nixon pulled and Trump has approximately .005% of the intellect and political skill that Nixon had.

He's a poor politician. The worst that's happened or will happen is a select portion of the longtime Republican agenda will be enacted by the time he's out of office. Like with the Democratic agenda from 2009-2017, his successor will have the ability to reverse these changes should he or she be a good-enough politician and life will go on.

All true. I think Kasparov's point, however, is that fuckface has done loads of informal damage to the country's sense of right and wrong. His antics are going to normalize (further) shitty behaviour from future leadership. A future president (from either party) with a slightly less fucked up ideology, but obviously way more politically adept than Trump, will be able to get away with all sorts of shit because " welp, he/she isn't as crazy as Donald was!".

Some pretty crazy stuff (trying to stifle the press, disdain for the legislative process, etc.) is going to look tame/normal immediately post-Trump. Makes for dangerous conditions.

At least IMO that's what Kasparov was trying to get at.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

lol

 

[Darkstone42]

All true. I think Kasparov's point, however, is that fuckface has done loads of informal damage to the country's sense of right and wrong. His antics are going to normalize (further) shitty behaviour from future leadership. A future president (from either party) with a slightly less fucked up ideology, but obviously way more politically adept than Trump, will be able to get away with all sorts of shit because " welp, he/she isn't as crazy as Donald was!".

Some pretty crazy stuff (trying to stifle the press, disdain for the legislative process, etc.) is going to look tame/normal immediately post-Trump. Makes for dangerous conditions.

At least IMO that's what Kasparov was trying to get at.

On top of all of which, it sows doubt and suspicion in the citizens' minds. We should read the news critically, but Trump is attempting to make us assume it's wrong. We should hold our institutions accountable, but Trump is trying to bypass them entirely. It hasn't stuck yet, but touting himself as the only reliable source of information and decision-making would give him absolute power.

And all the gaslighting will make it tough for voters to trust themselves and make good decisions moving forward, irrespective of whether or not Trump can actually make himself a dictator. It will make it difficult to elect people on both their integrity and their policy positions, because how much of it can you trust?

Besides all of which, it's simply terrible leadership.

 

[dash]

A win for Donald J. Trump...

 

[dash]

lol

 

[elocomotive]

A recount in Virginia just gave a state representative race to the Shelly Simonds. She won 11,608 to 11,607.

What's more, that took away the Republican majority in the statehouse as the parties are now tied 50-50.

So a single voter literally determined the makeup of the Virginia State House.

To use a legal term, that's fucking cool.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

A recount in Virginia just gave a state representative race to the Shelly Simonds. She won 11,608 to 11,607.

What's more, that took away the Republican majority in the statehouse as the parties are now tied 50-50.

So a single voter literally determined the makeup of the Virginia State House.

To use a legal term, that's fucking cool.

THAT'S NOTTT COOL!!!! THIS VOTE WAS LIKELY DECIDED BUT SOME ILLEGAL RAPIST OR MURDERER WHO GOT HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE WALL BUILT!?!?!

That or it was the GAYYYYYZZSZZSSZZ!!

 

[KennyBanyeah]

No but seriously well done Virginia.

On an unrelated (probably unrelated ) note, is it true that all women residents of Virginia have to be virgins? Trying to settle a bet with a buddy of mine.

 

[elocomotive]

I'm generally not pro-murder (unless it's unborn fetuses!). But wouldn't it be fun to just kinda murder ^that guy. Am I thinking this or... holy shit... I better hit the cancel button befo

 

[elocomotive]

[Please note the above post intended for entertainment purposes only. Murder is not cool, dude. Even of total sacks of human shit.]

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I'm generally not pro-murder (unless it's unborn fetuses!). But wouldn't it be fun to just kinda murder ^that guy. Am I thinking this or... holy shit... I better hit the cancel button befo

I'm pretty sure a massive coronary is going to take fatso out long before I can develop some kind of biohazard/ninja suit that would allow me to safely go within 50 feet of him.

I think the North American diet is going to do us a solid on this one. And by solid I mean a massive solid blockage.

 

[dash]

Well, for one, she needs to stop whining about losing the election, stop blaming everyone else and take a look in the mirror, you ran a horrible campaign and you're not a very likable person (being slightly more likable than Donald J. Trump is a pretty low bar).

Gallup: Hillary Clinton favorable rating at 36% - CNNPolitics

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I'm pretty sure a massive coronary is going to take fatso out long before I can develop some kind of biohazard/ninja suit that would allow me to safely go within 50 feet of him.

I think the North American diet is going to do us a solid on this one. And by solid I mean a massive solid blockage.

I mean, sure, if what Americans would prefer is a crazy christian who actually has a fully-functioning mind for these kinds of things in the White House.

 

[forty_three]

A win for Donald J. Trump...

Yes, what a glorious day. The rate of taxes that corporations are using loopholes to avoid will drop from 37% to 21%.

I'm pretty sure a massive coronary is going to take fatso out long before I can develop some kind of biohazard/ninja suit that would allow me to safely go within 50 feet of him.

I think the North American diet is going to do us a solid on this one. And by solid I mean a massive solid blockage.

I think you mean that the Illuminati, Clinton Foundation and the shadow government will inject him with chemtrails as he sleeps to silence him for finding out the truth about the gay frogs that faked the moon landing on 9/11.

 

[elocomotive]

So the corporate tax rate is dropping to 21%. Most professionals' tax rates are significantly higher than that, especially when you factor in FICA. Since corporations are people, too, how do I incorporate myself?

Also, asking for a friend (it's @Comeds ) , will that make me go blind?

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I mean, sure, if what Americans would prefer is a crazy christian who actually has a fully-functioning mind for these kinds of things in the White House.

I was talking about Alex Jones but I can understand how you thought I was talking about king fatso.

 

[thedddd]

So the corporate tax rate is dropping to 21%. Most professionals' tax rates are significantly higher than that, especially when you factor in FICA. Since corporations are people, too, how do I incorporate myself?

Also, asking for a friend (it's @Comeds ) , will that make me go blind?

Can do it all for $149 on legalzoom.com!

 

[elocomotive]

Tax reform just passed. Big mistake. Unnecessary boost to the economic engine when long term debt should be our bigger concern. Only thing I think is smart is reducing the corporate rate, but this goes way too far.

Taxes should be going up, especially on the rich. Our most successful economic era had sky high taxes. They don't need to be like that, but Reagan dropped them to a level that cannot sustain, and we've lowered them more since. Stupid and irresponsible.

Dumb rednecks will cheer them. But they won't be the beneficiaries. And they don't fucking know what they're talking about b/c (see start of paragraph).

 

[Comeds]

Tax reform just passed. Big mistake. Unnecessary boost to the economic engine when long term debt should be our bigger concern. Only thing I think is smart is reducing the corporate rate, but this goes way too far.

Taxes should be going up, especially on the rich. Our most successful economic era had sky high taxes. They don't need to be like that, but Reagan dropped them to a level that cannot sustain, and we've lowered them more since. Stupid and irresponsible.

Dumb rednecks will cheer them. But they won't be the beneficiaries. And they don't fucking know what they're talking about b/c (see start of paragraph).

The key thing is to make sure that when in a few years (months) congress says there needs to be cuts to medicare or social security or that the retirement age needs to be raised - that people are reminded and remember why.

 

[forty_three]

Dumb rednecks will cheer them. But they won't be the beneficiaries. And they don't fucking know what they're talking about b/c (see start of paragraph).

YOU HUSH. NOW THANKS TA DIS LAW, I KIN PASS DOWN UP TO 20 MILLION TO MAH KIDS WIFOUT TAXES!

PLUS, IF'N I HAD AN AEROPLANE, I KULD WRITE IT OFF




The only thing that could be good is if the big businesses like the 21% better than the 37% and actually start paying their taxes.

I'm not holding my breath.