Seattle Mariners 2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[NWinAZ]

I don't think Sudden Sam is a full-time player. He had a nice of stretch games in the middle of the season, but only hit .172 over the team's last 46 games. And he did all his damage against left-handers. His OPS against right-handers was only .522.

This is what I was going to say. Sometimes a bench guy is just a bench guy and I think he and Moore have real value if you keep them in their limited roles. But I like the Nimmo part.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

This is what I was going to say. Sometimes a bench guy is just a bench guy and I think he and Moore have real value if you keep them in their limited roles. But I like the Nimmo part.

My thoughts as well

there is an old country saying ....

'you can put your boots in the oven, but it don't make'em biscuits'

I like Haggerty and he definitely has his role with the club, but everyday 2nd basemen ain't it. Nor is a full time outfield position. Can he develop and become one eventually... it's very possible.

 

[NWinAZ]

'you can put your boots in the oven, but it don't make'em biscuits'

What the living hell?...lol.

 

[NWinAZ]

Morosi breaks down Hernández to the Mariners, what's next for Seattle

MLB insider Jon Morosi joined Wyman & Bob to discuss Teoscar Hernández joining the Mariners and what that means for their offseason.

sports.mynorthwest.com

 

[wazzu31]

I don't think Sudden Sam is a full-time player. He had a nice of stretch games in the middle of the season, but only hit .172 over the team's last 46 games. And he did all his damage against left-handers. His OPS against right-handers was only .522.

Don’t necessarily disagree, was just a question. I personally don’t mind giving him the opportunity to be the everyday 2B. Yeah his numbers against lefties was better but what exactly is a legit sample size against righties. At least in my eyes he proved to be good enough to have earned an Adam Fraizer chance. Unless they blow up the farm system I can’t see them filling the other OF spot plus a SS/2B.

But I do like your Bell argument but the Mariners have to unload Winker and Lewis first if they want any value out of them. If they can get a DH then great, ideally a Bell or an Abreu or any DH would be signings after they unload Winker, Lewis, Flexen and Marco just so the M’s have the ability to trade the 4 for maximum return.

 

[wazzu31]

This is what I was going to say. Sometimes a bench guy is just a bench guy and I think he and Moore have real value if you keep them in their limited roles. But I like the Nimmo part.

My only argument back to that, would be the team is better if Moore or Sam are the one utility guy. IMO the team can’t be a WS contender if they have 3 utility guys which would be Moore, Haggerty and Toro. IMO super utility guys can be great if they are used as super utility guys, not rotational guys or situational starters.

 

[WizardHawk]

 

[wazzu31]

Bold bet, Kelenic will have a higher BA than Hernandez.

 

[WizardHawk]

It was a good first move, but we need to see what they do with middle infielder before I get too excited. I'm also not going to be happy until they have enough bats to not trot out a sub .200 at DH again.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

Bold bet, Kelenic will have a higher BA than Hernandez.

Yea maybe ...

But comparing Tacoma AAA batting average to a big league average is not comparing apples to apples

All joking aside, I hope JK breaks camp with the Mariners and they tell him: 'this is your shot, you have earned a place on the big league club'
I think it is pretty much his last chance for gas ( in a Mariners uniform ) They will know before the ASB where they stand with him.

if he is not producing to minimum standards for a MLB corner outfielder ... cut him loose for whatever you can get for him and move on.

 

[NWinAZ]

My only argument back to that, would be the team is better if Moore or Sam are the one utility guy. IMO the team can’t be a WS contender if they have 3 utility guys which would be Moore, Haggerty and Toro. IMO super utility guys can be great if they are used as super utility guys, not rotational guys or situational starters.

I agree and for me the answer is simple...bye bye Toro.

I actually hope they sign Drury. I think he has a good shot at being better than Toro and can play 2B/3B/Corner OF. I think that would be a huge upgrade and it wouldn't take a fortune.

 

[NWinAZ]

Could M's pull of another Winker/Suarez trade this offseason? If so, my guess would be with Brewers for Wong and Renfroe. Fills two needs and I am reading Brewers are looking to lower payroll.

And this today:

MLB.com's Jon Morosi reports that the Mariners have expressed trade interest in Kolten Wong.​

Milwaukee recently exercised a $10 million club option on Wong for the 2023 season and he is scheduled to reach free agency next winter. The rangy second baseman would be a nice left-handed addition to the lineup in Seattle, though it's hard to gauge what the asking price might be. Maybe the Brewers would want bullpen help? Or would take a chance on a Jesse Winker revival? Wong, 32, put up a respectable .770 OPS with 15 home runs and 17 stolen bases over 134 games played in 2022.

 

[FirebreathingMonkey]

 

[NWinAZ]

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Wow did we get nothing for him. What a difference a couple years make.

Cooper Hummel Amateur, College, Minor & Fall Leagues Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com

Cooper Hummel Amateur, College, Minor & Fall Leagues Statistics including batting, fielding, prospect rankings and more on Baseball-Reference.com

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Oh I forgot to add, he is a Portland guy. Just like last year. Dipoto adding NW guys with little talent...

 

[NWinAZ]

Examining where interested teams stand with star free-agent shortstops

The top end of the shortstop market seems to be expanding now with the Yankees and Padres showing interest.

nypost.com

 

[wazzu31]

Wow did we get nothing for him. What a difference a couple years make.

Cooper Hummel Amateur, College, Minor & Fall Leagues Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com

Cooper Hummel Amateur, College, Minor & Fall Leagues Statistics including batting, fielding, prospect rankings and more on Baseball-Reference.com

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Oh I forgot to add, he is a Portland guy. Just like last year. Dipoto adding NW guys with little talent...

Well I will go on record saying I was way off on some organization still thinking highly of him

 

[wazzu31]

And this today:

MLB.com's Jon Morosi reports that the Mariners have expressed trade interest in Kolten Wong.​

Milwaukee recently exercised a $10 million club option on Wong for the 2023 season and he is scheduled to reach free agency next winter. The rangy second baseman would be a nice left-handed addition to the lineup in Seattle, though it's hard to gauge what the asking price might be. Maybe the Brewers would want bullpen help? Or would take a chance on a Jesse Winker revival? Wong, 32, put up a respectable .770 OPS with 15 home runs and 17 stolen bases over 134 games played in 2022.

Only negative thing I could say is that if the Mariners get Wong, they will be running out a pretty bad defense. I know they ran out Winker last year but everyone says Hernandez is just as bad and Wong if I read the reports right was the worst defensive 2B in baseball

 

[NWinAZ]

Well I will go on record saying I was way off on some organization still thinking highly of him

You and me both, but then again it made us cringe watching him try to run last season so...

 

[NWinAZ]

Only negative thing I could say is that if the Mariners get Wong, they will be running out a pretty bad defense. I know they ran out Winker last year but everyone says Hernandez is just as bad and Wong if I read the reports right was the worst defensive 2B in baseball

Fangraphs has him ranked 39th with guys having at least 300 AB's. -6.0 compared to Frazier who had a 4.4 (13th) so you are right and this scares me more now. I thought he was decently reputation, but I guess not. Pass.

McNeil was a 4.6 (12th) would be my choice.

And for those who mocked some people fro wanting Story, Story had 16 HR's, 66 RBI's, and a defensive WAR of 6.9 (7th).

 

[NWinAZ]

Fangraphs has him ranked 39th with guys having at least 300 AB's. -6.0 compared to Frazier who had a 4.4 (13th) so you are right and this scares me more now. I thought he was decently reputation, but I guess not. Pass.

McNeil was a 4.6 (12th) would be my choice.

And for those who mocked some people fro wanting Story, Story had 16 HR's, 66 RBI's, and a defensive WAR of 6.9 (7th).

And here is a mind blower: Per Fangraphs, Crawford is ranked 30th in defensive WAR at -1.5. And we won't move him?

Swanson is #1 with a 21.4. No. Brainer.