Seattle Mariners 2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[NWinAZ]

Mariners signed RHP Carson Fulmer to a minor league contract.​

Fulmer was called up briefly last April by the Dodgers, but didn't end up making an appearance. The 29-year-old former first-round pick has made 74 appearances (15 starts) in the majors between the White Sox, Tigers, Orioles and Reds since 2016. He posted a strong 2.86 ERA, 1.25 WHIP and 62/35 K/BB ratio across 56 2/3 innings (49 appearances, one start) last year for Triple-A Oklahoma City.

 

[ulmax]

Really..
Flexxen..and Gonzales..
Are..for#5..
Good enough..for..the..mariners...
They have taken..a lot of heat..
Flexen..is..prime .time...

Gonzales..is ready .for the bull..pen..
As .a swing..man ..no..big..
Mariners .just .happen..to..need..one.

As..a duo...they..really..not...bad..if..they
Do.it right....

 

[ulmax]

Really..
Flexxen..and Gonzales..
Are..for#5..
Good enough..for..the..mariners...
They have taken..a lot of heat..
Flexen..is..prime .time...

Gonzales..is ready .for the bull..pen..
As .a swing..man ..no..big..
Mariners .just .happen..to..need..one.

As..a duo...they..really..not...bad..if..they
Do.it right....

No..they .are..not .strike..out..pitchers..
They are .other...than..

Flexxen..is a ground ball .pitcher..
Gonzales...is..a boarder...pitcher..
Usually..bull.pen..guys....not always..

That is..why..they..take .heat..from fans
The rest..of Seattle's..pitchers .are
Strike out guys..

 

[ulmax]

San Diego..would know..what to do..with both..and they need. Them..

But..Jedi..knows what to do..with them..
As well..And if he is not trading..them .
Then..he has..a plan...

I would bank..on that ...

If I could ..lolollo
For example....mike leak..is a ground ball
Pitcher..
Mariner got ride..of .when..step..back .
Now..retired..

 

[MarinersBestFan]

I was thinking this is now the bar for Gilbert and Kirby.

Ya some pitchers just don't get the offense that other teammates get. So weird how that works.

If Gilbert is any where in the ERA zone of 3.10 to 3.65 I will take it. He will be a horse this year and I think gets closer to 200 innings pitched than any starter in our rotation. They are still going to watch Kirby semi closely and I doubt he throws more than 150 ip. If he is closer to 3.2 ERA than he is to 4.0 that's a decent season. I see his middle ground number around just under 4 likely 3.85 to 3.95 ERA. His low bb rate will help him immensely in that dept if his walk rate is as low as last season he can flirt with low 3's for ERA.

If Marco hurls another 180+ innings, I can swallow his 4.0+ ERA again this season. All starter arms stayed relatively healthy last year. To expect the same 2 years in a row is a reach, but it could happen.

Hopefully Ray settles into his non Ace role and it helps him get back to dominating batters and tossing gems. He was the quintessential 'Hot or Not' guy last season. And it was strange to watch back to back starts that didn't even look like the same guy on the bump.

Javiers innings pitched last year was almost spot on 150 if I recall correctly when I took a peek at his recent stats before my reply above yesterday.

2023 Mariners simply need the pitching staff to hold serve and the relievers repeat last years success and sprinkle in a tad more offense up and down the lineup with whatever lineup Skip pencils in nightly and we should be fine. Hopefully they don't start the season thinking they are a shoe in for a 90 win team again and just think it's all going to fall in place for them. 90+ win teams fight hard every step of the way start to finish. And get a little lucky here and there also.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Thanks .but..I'm kiked..there..I'm done..anyway...

You're what there?

My definition of that word might not be the same as yours... Lol

 

[seahawksfan234]

Ya we are definitely not devoid of talent in the minors. It just happens to be at lower levels at this time with a few exceptions like Miller and Woo. Luckily our MLB team is deep and won't need reinforcements if something goes wrong...

Would love to see Evan White show up strong this year. It is a long shot, but it would be huge for us if it happened. We may forget, but the kid had serious power when he connected and replacing France at 1B would be a big win.

I'm not very optimistic with Evan White but I agree it would be huge if he shows enough to warrant a starting spot in the lineup. It would kill two birds with one stone as that would allow us to have a full time DH with Ty France.

With all of White's injuries and Kelenic's struggles, I feel like he has been overlooked. It's easy to forget how quickly he was rushed up, just like Kelenic. Now that I think about it, maybe that was the problem with both of them.

I will say perhaps this is hyperbole, but in his 84 games with the Mariners I don't think I've ever seen a better defensive first baseman. If he and Kelenic were able to hit at even just an average level, "massive" would be an understatement as to how big that would be for us.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I think this came out before he signed. Everywhere I’ve read is he is now the number 2 guy in the system and there isn’t the risk of him growing out of SS. I get how nationally the Mariners farm system has taken a hit but not this far of a drop.

The Bryce Miller jump makes me feel the Mariners have a crap load of guys who if they have a good season in the minors this year they can sneak into the top 100 or at least high enough in the top 200 that you can package them into a good trade. Maybe not the big Castillo type deal. I don’t know, this is all guessing game type stuff anyways but it just weird them being 2nd to last.

I completely agree.

Only somewhat related but I googled "Mariners top prospects" and found the Baseball America article on their system.

2023 Seattle Mariners Top MLB Prospects

Ranking the best prospects in the Seattle Mariners farm system, projecting their 2025 lineup, rotation and more.

www.baseballamerica.com

I thought it was really interesting that their projected 2026 lineup has Harry Ford at third. I've read about catcher possibly not being a long-term fit but third is interesting. If he can throw like a catcher he'd definitely have the arm for third base.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Anyone else read this article?

I believe in Jarred Kelenic

It’s a long winter—we can all have a little Jarred hopium, as a treat

www.lookoutlanding.com

Not enough to cause me to have much faith but at least it puts forward a compelling argument that Kelenic has been very, very unlucky.

The study he cited on players settling in near their minor league strike out rate gives me a bit of hope, although I worry that data might be skewed by the fact that the players who don't settle in near their minor league strike out rate are out of the league.

 

[seahawksfan234]

It's odd that he had a stellar 2.5 or so ERA and played for the Astros ( won 100 games again )
Yet Javier win-loss record was close to .500 I think 11 wins 9 losses with 150 or so innings pitched.

You would have thought he would have been 15-5 or better. A 2.50 ERA is extremely good in todays game where everyone swings for HR's

$12mil a year will look like the bargain of the century 3-4 years from now. Hell it's a steal right now current market.

Absolute bargain for the Astros.

I think we should know from the Felix Hernandez experience that a stellar ERA doesn't guarantee a good W/L record.

It's actually kind of baffling to me that for years W/L record was such a crucial aspect in evaluating a pitcher's performance.

 

[wazzu31]

I completely agree.

Only somewhat related but I googled "Mariners top prospects" and found the Baseball America article on their system.

2023 Seattle Mariners Top MLB Prospects

Ranking the best prospects in the Seattle Mariners farm system, projecting their 2025 lineup, rotation and more.

www.baseballamerica.com

I thought it was really interesting that their projected 2026 lineup has Harry Ford at third. I've read about catcher possibly not being a long-term fit but third is interesting. If he can throw like a catcher he'd definitely have the arm for third base.

I will just put this out there, if that is their lineup for 2026 then I definitely will be complaining a lot on this board. That means zero trades and no way should Geno or JP be starters for a World Series team unless all of the other guys become studs. To me, JP is in the Marco category of where he is great for the current team but if the Mariners are in a clutch moment on offense and he is coming up they need to PH. A late game defensive replacement fine, but not a star. If that is there lineup then they have a crap load of capital to spend to upgrade the team where Ray, JP nor Geno are the guys.

 

[NWinAZ]

I think we should know from the Felix Hernandez experience that a stellar ERA doesn't guarantee a good W/L record.

I was going to make that point but my old brain couldn't remember which Mariner was the unlucky one. Felix.

 

[NWinAZ]

I will say perhaps this is hyperbole, but in his 84 games with the Mariners I don't think I've ever seen a better defensive first baseman. If he and Kelenic were able to hit at even just an average level, "massive" would be an understatement as to how big that would be for us.

This would be awesome. I am keeping positive...until they give me reason not to.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

I will say perhaps this is hyperbole, but in his 84 games with the Mariners I don't think I've ever seen a better defensive first baseman. If he and Kelenic were able to hit at even just an average level, "massive" would be an understatement as to how big that would be for us.

If somehow Kelenic and White both break camp w/ the big club and get regular playing time all season and have a collective 850-1000 at bats between them and post these ballpark offensive numbers ( below ). I see us giving the Astros all they can handle in a battle for the AL West division title.

Kelenic - 375 at bats ( he will be a part time platoon player in LF ) - avg .245 ** HRs 22 ** rbi 65 ** stolen bases 15

White - 525 at bats ( play 140 games at 1b ) - avg .260 ** HRs 28 ** rbi 80 ** stolen bases - who cares

Most likely a pipedream ... BUT it could happen as stated.

 

[ulmax]

With Seattle's international..and..hs..guys
Adding..drafts..to..them..is ..going..to be fun....
Stay .tuned .batman...
Da nu..da nu.da.nu..hatman...sombrero..
Yeah ...lil9lol

 

[ulmax]

Ac..dc..spooth....money talk .

Come on come on..listen..to the honey .
Talk...come on come on ..
Listen to the funny .talk .

10 times... .music .then some more .
Loloollol...hahaha..lol

 

[NWinAZ]

A guy I was hoping we took a chance on.

 

[ulmax]

Gumballing..fumball....all down..the hall..

The sight..of .shinning .shall ..eluminating....a stall .

Come on..come..on .let..me hear..you honny..talk..come on .come on..
Let us..hear...the funny..talk..

 

[ulmax]

On pillows .
And..

Satin..sheets..


Come on..come..on..let me hear your funny talk .
Come on..come..on..let me..hear .your honey..talk..

 

[ulmax]

Well..that's enough..ac.dc..is not my.
Best..one..
Ok honey..
Wana..hear .12..of..ever...

Uuuuu .aaah ..ok....later .

Later..later..here..comes..the aligator.

Later..later..here comes..5he aligator

Whale..music .sounds....

Nice ..lolp9

Let..me..hear..your funny talk..du dummmy