Seahawks vs 49ers vs Falcons

[cdumler7]

Guess this is where we agree to disagree. I feel the Falcons are overrated, have a bunch of has beens on their team, and are led by a weak QB who fails to close out games. That was my stance when Seattle was putting up a 4-12 record so it has nothing to do with being butt hurt about someone ranking the Falcons higher. The Falcons runningback...

HOLD on a minute, did you really say BEST in the NFL? Oh come on... homerisms aside, that's just a dumb comment. I guess you'll be the 1 out of 12,932,211 drafting Steven Jackson #1 overall given the opportunity in FF this year. Congrats. Whatever. My brain just lexpolkdfjdfifdfkfkfjdafkljasdf.

I lived up in Seattle for a couple of years and definitely got to see that reading comprehension and education in general were very much thrown to the side so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you did not understand my post. I said that they had the best "SET" of offensive weapons. That does not mean that each individual is the best at his position but as the whole group combined they could have the best unit in football. I would not draft Steven Jackson 1st overall out of all running backs just like I wouldn't take Matt Ryan, Roddy White/Julio Jones, or Gonzo first at their respective positions. I do however think that as a whole unit they are top notch.

Now as for your thoughts on Matt Ryan I guess we will just have to disagree at this point. The guy has 23 game-winning/4th quarter come backs to his name in 5 years of playing so I think he does just fine in leading his team to victory. If I had to critique the team for anything it would be the fact that especially last year they could build up big leads but struggled at times to close out games with the running game. That is a big reason they went and got Steven Jackson and at least from the looks of last nights game he should do just fine in that role.

 

[SonnyCID]

Apparently, Most Cities Aren't Getting Any More 'Literate' - Henry Grabar - The Atlantic Cities

QUOTE=cdumler7;3436357]I lived up in Seattle for a couple of years and definitely got to see that reading comprehension and education in general were very much thrown to the side[/QUOTE]

I understand that you are dealing with a troll here, but dont fall in to his trap by making false and broad generalizations instead of just attacking him individually.

 

[cdumler7]

Apparently, Most Cities Aren't Getting Any More 'Literate' - Henry Grabar - The Atlantic Cities

QUOTE=cdumler7;3436357]I lived up in Seattle for a couple of years and definitely got to see that reading comprehension and education in general were very much thrown to the side

I understand that you are dealing with a troll here, but dont fall in to his game by making false generalizations instead of just attacking him.[/QUOTE]

I apologize. You are right I should not fall for his stupid game. I loved my time in Seattle and miss the city quite a bit now that my wife and I moved. I will say I lived in a very illiterate part of town but I do understand that Seattle in itself does have a good push towards education. I sincerely apologize for saying something that I did not actually mean. Now to this actual poster his reading comprehension does need some work for sure. Maybe he is not actually from Seattle itself or he is one of those few students that slipped through the cracks.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

I understand that you are dealing with a troll here, but dont fall in to his game by making false generalizations instead of just attacking him.

I apologize. You are right I should not fall for his stupid game. I loved my time in Seattle and miss the city quite a bit now that my wife and I moved. I will say I lived in a very illiterate part of town but I do understand that Seattle in itself does have a good push towards education. I sincerely apologize for saying something that I did not actually mean. Now to this actual poster his reading comprehension does need some work for sure. Maybe he is not actually from Seattle itself or he is one of those few students that slipped through the cracks.[/QUOTE]


I lived in Seattle a while back for a year myself...absolutely loved it...one of my most favorite places in the 29 states I have lived in....I just think that MOST seahawk fans should calm down a bit...ya still havnt won anything and their ability to do so remains to be seen. The hawks definitely are not in a position to dog another good team the way I have seen here.

 

[SeattleOspreys]

Hmmm OK Ill try

QB- This is a tough one but MOST people ( unbiased, which I am clearly not) would go with Ryan. He has just done it longer. Kaep and Wilson are both really really good though so kind of a moot discussion.
RB- Ill give the edge to Seattle with the Niners a close second. I do really think all 3 of these guys are going to have HUGE years this year ( Lynch, Gore and Jackson). Go with Lynch because of recent past.
WR- This isnt even worth talking it about, its Atlanta and not even close. Probably the biggest blowout of any position argument on these teams.
TE- Atlanta with a tiny edge of SF, Davis is a stud but Gonzo is the best ever so there you go.
OL- SF for sure although Seattle and Atlanta both have good lines too.

DL- SF by a bit, probably the Niners strongest position IMO.
LB- Tough call here IMO, Ill go SF again but its close.
Secondary- Seattle, exceptional secondary for the Hawks.
ST- All 3 of these teams have great ST but Ill give a slight edge to the Niners here especially with Harvin going down. Yeah I know they "werent going to use him to return"... LOL. Get real.

That leaves me with a ranking by position of
1. SF
2. Atlanta
3. Seattle

Its kind of nitpicking to debate these 3 teams IMO because they are 3 of the 5 best teams in the league and are more than capable of beating each other on any given day. The injuries to the Niners may play a part in how the season shakes out but as of now Id give SF a slight nod based on position rankings although Atlantas biggest weaponry ( skill positons on the outside and TE) now are an absolute nightmare for SF to deal with after the Culliver injury.

Take a look at 2012 and then what improvements were made to each team's deficiencies for 2013 and then I can prognosticate for 2013.

Atlanta: Fantasy football fans love the O but as a team? The right side of their OL are new starters. Will continuity be established early? Unknown. The CB's can be a question mark. Trufant isn't ready to start and Asante Samuel is still a gambling CB that can be roasted and toasted.

Jackson is aging but will be an upgrade. Osi will not perform any better than what Abraham delivered in 2012, so stop mentioning Osi. Absolutely NO improvement for 2013. Are there any other young guns for Atlanta that could be ready for break out years?

The Falcon D is o.k. As far as the playoffs. Didn't Atlanta win their 1st playoff game with Ryan at the helm? With all that O talent surrounding him? As far as the Hawk divisional game. Props to Atlanta for winning the game. Every team has one of those days and the Hawks getting to the 10 yd line twice in the 1st half with no points was an anomaly. Be honest here. A fullback dive? Lynch on the sidelines? The Hawks put up over 500 yds of Offense and they shot themselves in the feet more than Atlanta imposed their will.

The Falcons took advantage of a favorable 2012 schedule, too. Caught the AFC West early for 4 W's and the NFC East for another 4. Atlanta had 1 real dominating game and that was a blow out vs NYG. Nice job.

However, when you're outgained in the NFL it will typical regress back to the mean and you'll then lose.

1. Beat Carolina by 2 early, 2. beat Oakland at home by 3 and gave up close to 500yds at home to Oakland?, 3. beat Cowboys by 6 then 4. lose to the Saints.

5. The Falcons were LOSING to Arizona in the 4th qtr @ Home. at home to Arizona? only to pull it out late. Arizona? I think we laid a 50 pt smack down on those punks. Then the following week Falcons go to TB and AGAIN are losing in the 4th qtr only to win late and hold off TB 24-23. .

These games do not show a dominate team. This is a veteran squad with some great QB at the helm and not a rookie QB like SEattle has in RWilson or SF with Kaep. This is Matty Ice playing weekly tight games against who? Sure, Hawks struggled their first 8 games. They had a rookie QB!

Falcons then got drubbed by Carolina. It was a favorable schedule in the NFC South which was down, AFC West sucked and getting Denver in week 2 was favorable and the NFCE wasn't that impressive. NFC South looks to be improved and Atlanta faces 4 NFCW teams in 2013. Can you say 1-3 ?

It was a perfect storm for Atlanta. Give Falcons props for beating a Hawk team with a garbage slot CB ( which has been upgraded to Winfield), having no pass rush after losing Clemons against Skins (upgraded with Avril and Bennett) and it's the 2nd yr for Wags who finished 2nd in DROY as the Mike backer. Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman aren't even in their prime, yet and this is RWilson's 2nd year at the helm. There is major upside there. Who can argue with their overall talent and depth.

Atlanta added question marks from 2012 while Hawks shored up their 2012 deficiencies ( Nickelback and Pass rush depth) and a new D-Co who doesn't play zone when you have the best man to man team in the NFL. Bye Gus and welcome Quinn.

I like Atlanta but I've always felt they're overrated and reason they were fortunate to win their 1st playoff game with all of those regular season accolades in 5 years with Matty Ice at the helm. 5 yrs and it's a 2 pt win late? C'mon.

Show me your reasoning as to why Atlanta should be feared vs Seattle and SF because I think it's a big let down year and the above statements should corroborate some of my reasoning. This isn't 2012. Look at the roster additions and subtractions for 2013. Look at the new schedule. It all needs to be factored into the equation. Atlanta is a 9 win team in 2013. 10 if lightning strikes....

 

[Uhsplit]

Funny how you say you arent a little homer, its true seahawk fans have been the biggest homer trolls on all the boards since late last year..weird too since you won 11 games, not 16...it was 11 kids not exactly the most impressive record ever..maybe it is for seattle...as you have read here, not many outside of seattle are all that sold on the seahawks..If it was my money, I would bet on Atlanta over the hawks any day of the week..they are just a far more mature team with every bit as much talent if not far more. the seahawks act way too immature to really win anything, right from PC on down...reminds me of the chargers a few years ago...they did have some talent for a while but were just a very immature bunch and never made it work for them. if anyone is going 9-7 this year I would bet on it being seattle. I predict that none of your predictions come true

No offense, but I predict you will change your opinion of the Seahawks at the completion of this upcoming football season.

 

[Uhsplit]

This thread could be titled Seahawks vs Seahawks vs Seahawks and Seahawks fans would be on here arguing back and forth amongst themselves.

Now, THAT was funny.
We are merely very happy to be relevant.

 

[Brees#1]

I see the Falcons every week.

Not that great...Agree. ATL is a very good team, but they have too many holes to be a great team imo. They are well above average in the passing game, they are well coached meaning they don't make a lot of mental mistakes, and that allows them to beat the teams with lessor talent more often than not. If you have watched them much under coach Smith...they rarely lose to bad football teams.

Ryan...I think you're 100% wrong on the mental angle. In fact I would put that part of his game up there with P Manning. What Ryan is not is a great athlete...he doesn't have a cannon arm, doesn't run fast, etc. So...what that means is his feet need to be set for him to throw accurately down field. If the pocket is collasping, he gets pushed off his spot, the play breaks down...unless his check down is open, Ryan is most likely going to get rid of the ball and live for another play, or punt it...he's not an extend the play type of QB.

Let them back in the game...you're 100% right, they did it in both playoff games. But...imo the culprit is the OC, and or the HC. Early second half in the SEA & SF games Koetter (OC) tried to take the air out of the ball too soon with Turner. That led to a couple of 3 & outs, or 1 or 2 1st down drives and punts, and the mo switched sides.

Overall talent - SF

Best QB/WR - ATL

I will say, I'm not sold on 1st yr starting QBs in year 2 as the starter...Both Kaep & RW are very good talents...I still need to see how they perform when DCs know a little more about their games.

Manning? Why do people want to compare Ryan to Manning? Because of the way they won and lost playoff games? So it took Manning three tries to win a playoff game. It also took him another three playoffs to win a ring. But Manning threw the ball 2,000 more yards than Ryan at this point. And Manning was a leader to not only his offense, but the defense too. He breaks down game film and studies film. These are things that Ryan does not do I don't think or at least all of those things. It seems the leader of the falcons is Roddy White yet his off field statements show how immature of a leader he is. If Ryan was a mental QB he would find ways to roar back in games like the way Manning has when behind. Ryan has yet to do this. But Manning however is not even the best QB because he always loses in the playoffs. This year though with them sealing every hole on offense they might win it all.

 

[wazzu31]

Funny how you say you arent a little homer, its true seahawk fans have been the biggest homer trolls on all the boards since late last year..weird too since you won 11 games, not 16...it was 11 kids not exactly the most impressive record ever..maybe it is for seattle...as you have read here, not many outside of seattle are all that sold on the seahawks..If it was my money, I would bet on Atlanta over the hawks any day of the week..they are just a far more mature team with every bit as much talent if not far more. the seahawks act way too immature to really win anything, right from PC on down...reminds me of the chargers a few years ago...they did have some talent for a while but were just a very immature bunch and never made it work for them. if anyone is going 9-7 this year I would bet on it being seattle. I predict that none of your predictions come true

Funny how the "team" acts immature when you are specifically speaking of Sherman not the Seahawks.

 

[CortezTheKilla]

Take a look at 2012 and then what improvements were made to each team's deficiencies for 2013 and then I can prognosticate for 2013.

Atlanta: Fantasy football fans love the O but as a team? The right side of their OL are new starters. Will continuity be established early? Unknown. The CB's can be a question mark. Trufant isn't ready to start and Asante Samuel is still a gambling CB that can be roasted and toasted.

Jackson is aging but will be an upgrade. Osi will not perform any better than what Abraham delivered in 2012, so stop mentioning Osi. Absolutely NO improvement for 2013. Are there any other young guns for Atlanta that could be ready for break out years?

The Falcon D is o.k. As far as the playoffs. Didn't Atlanta win their 1st playoff game with Ryan at the helm? With all that O talent surrounding him? As far as the Hawk divisional game. Props to Atlanta for winning the game. Every team has one of those days and the Hawks getting to the 10 yd line twice in the 1st half with no points was an anomaly. Be honest here. A fullback dive? Lynch on the sidelines? The Hawks put up over 500 yds of Offense and they shot themselves in the feet more than Atlanta imposed their will.

The Falcons took advantage of a favorable 2012 schedule, too. Caught the AFC West early for 4 W's and the NFC East for another 4. Atlanta had 1 real dominating game and that was a blow out vs NYG. Nice job.

However, when you're outgained in the NFL it will typical regress back to the mean and you'll then lose.

1. Beat Carolina by 2 early, 2. beat Oakland at home by 3 and gave up close to 500yds at home to Oakland?, 3. beat Cowboys by 6 then 4. lose to the Saints.

5. The Falcons were LOSING to Arizona in the 4th qtr @ Home. at home to Arizona? only to pull it out late. Arizona? I think we laid a 50 pt smack down on those punks. Then the following week Falcons go to TB and AGAIN are losing in the 4th qtr only to win late and hold off TB 24-23. .

These games do not show a dominate team. This is a veteran squad with some great QB at the helm and not a rookie QB like SEattle has in RWilson or SF with Kaep. This is Matty Ice playing weekly tight games against who? Sure, Hawks struggled their first 8 games. They had a rookie QB!

Falcons then got drubbed by Carolina. It was a favorable schedule in the NFC South which was down, AFC West sucked and getting Denver in week 2 was favorable and the NFCE wasn't that impressive. NFC South looks to be improved and Atlanta faces 4 NFCW teams in 2013. Can you say 1-3 ?

It was a perfect storm for Atlanta. Give Falcons props for beating a Hawk team with a garbage slot CB ( which has been upgraded to Winfield), having no pass rush after losing Clemons against Skins (upgraded with Avril and Bennett) and it's the 2nd yr for Wags who finished 2nd in DROY as the Mike backer. Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman aren't even in their prime, yet and this is RWilson's 2nd year at the helm. There is major upside there. Who can argue with their overall talent and depth.

Atlanta added question marks from 2012 while Hawks shored up their 2012 deficiencies ( Nickelback and Pass rush depth) and a new D-Co who doesn't play zone when you have the best man to man team in the NFL. Bye Gus and welcome Quinn.

I like Atlanta but I've always felt they're overrated and reason they were fortunate to win their 1st playoff game with all of those regular season accolades in 5 years with Matty Ice at the helm. 5 yrs and it's a 2 pt win late? C'mon.

Show me your reasoning as to why Atlanta should be feared vs Seattle and SF because I think it's a big let down year and the above statements should corroborate some of my reasoning. This isn't 2012. Look at the roster additions and subtractions for 2013. Look at the new schedule. It all needs to be factored into the equation. Atlanta is a 9 win team in 2013. 10 if lightning strikes....

This really covers a lot of the reasons I have question marks about how good the Falcons will be this year, and why I'd rank them third on this list of 3 teams (not like that's a major diss though, all 3 are very good). One thing not covered here is the assumption that adding Trufant as a starting CB is going to be an upgrade. He's a rookie. And while, yes, he is very talented, probably moreso than Marcus was, a rookie in the NFL is going to get exploited at times. I still remember only 2 years ago too of him and the Washington D as a whole getting absolutely torched through the air by Eastern Washington. While he did make the game-clinching INT in the endzone, they gave up almost 500 yds through the air in that game, almost losing to the first FCS school they ever played , I remember it vividly...

Despite being a Hawks fan, I'd unfortunately still place the Niners at the top of this list, though I'd say their position is a bit precarious due to depth at WR and in the secondary. Their lines are the best though, and in the end that's where most football games are decided. However, we all saw what happens to them when Justin Smith isn't healthy, so they better hope he can stay that way.

The good news is that all 3 of teams play each other this year, so maybe we'll be able to settle this soon enough. I'll be in the Georgia Dome to see the Hawks (hopefully) get some redemption this year, can't wait.