Say A Prayer for Max Pacioretty

[TOX1]

I won't be doing any praying, but I do hope the kid gets well as soon as humanly possible.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Easy fix. Glass all the way. Players on the bench sit behind it.
If that was anywhere else on the ice, no injury and no calls for anyone's head. In fact, rubbing a guy out along the boards happens 10x a game. It's just WHERE it happened that's the issue here. I've been around this game long enough to have seen the same thing many times.

Yeah, soul of the game blah blah blah. We have to take drastic measures to stop something that happens every few years!

No dirty intentions. No conspiracy. Just an unfortunate result. But it happened in Montreal and it involved Boston. The whine-storm is going to be epic.

Glad the kid's okay.

Id actually like to see changing on the fly with the high glass lol

on tsns post game highlight show they talked about the Molson Centre having 2 extra danger points (turnbuckles) than most other arenas have

 

[puckhead]

Id actually like to see changing on the fly with the high glass lol

the relevant scene starts at 0:45

 

[jstewismybastardson]

the relevant scene starts at 0:45

i was thinking more like this

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[Comeds]

Pac has a fractured vertebrae in addition to the severe concussion they stated he had last night.

 

[evolver115]

Pac has a fractured vertebrae in addition to the severe concussion they stated he had last night.

Ouch, that's not good.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

shit 7 years to the day another guy suffered fractured vertebrae and a serious concussion

 

[mattola]

shit 7 years to the day another guy suffered fractured vertebrae and a serious concussion

man that was a hard hit. I have a tough time trying to judge this one.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I hope Max makes a full recovery. It was a scary scene. Best wishes & god bless.

 

[Cricket]

First let me say I'm not trying to down play what happened to him. And I'm also not saying changes shouldn't be made in the design of the arenas. But injuries happen. Sometimes really bad injuries happen. That's true in every sport. I assume even more so in hockey considering how high contact it is.

If the goal is to make the sport safer, to make the designs better and to reduce injuries how far do you go to make this happen? I can't help but picture hockey players in bubbles floating around a padded rink.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Id actually like to see changing on the fly with the high glass lol

How about some sort of retractable glass solution?

The glass drops down into the boards for changes then pneumatically shoots back up after the change.

I see no possible way that anyone could get injured in that situation.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

First let me say I'm not trying to down play what happened to him. And I'm also not saying changes shouldn't be made in the design of the arenas. But injuries happen. Sometimes really bad injuries happen. That's true in every sport. I assume even more so in hockey considering how high contact it is.

If the goal is to make the sport safer, to make the designs better and to reduce injuries how far do you go to make this happen? I can't help but picture hockey players in bubbles floating around a padded rink.

You make a valid point, but this is something that should be relatively easy to fix, or at least improve.

I liken it to when the league changed the design of the goals following the Mark Howe injury. It's an easily preventable type of injury, so why not take a few simple precautions to prevent it.

 

[Comeds]

I have read 'if it was anywhere else on the ice' there would have been no injury. While I agree that the location is what caused most of the damage, players have been hurt when their heads have been pushed up against the the glass in other areas of the ice too. And from some angles it certainly looks like Chara pushed Max's head, and if he did there may have been any injury no matter where they were on the ice.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

First let me say I'm not trying to down play what happened to him. And I'm also not saying changes shouldn't be made in the design of the arenas. But injuries happen. Sometimes really bad injuries happen. That's true in every sport. I assume even more so in hockey considering how high contact it is.

If the goal is to make the sport safer, to make the designs better and to reduce injuries how far do you go to make this happen? I can't help but picture hockey players in bubbles floating around a padded rink.

on tsns post game highlight show they talked about the Molson Centre having 2 extra danger points (turnbuckles) than most other arenas have

You make a valid point, but this is something that should be relatively easy to fix, or at least improve.

I liken it to when the league changed the design of the goals following the Mark Howe injury. It's an easily preventable type of injury, so why not take a few simple precautions to prevent it.

thats a good point about the Mark howe injury

like i posted above, many arenas around the nhl dont have these stanchions between the players benches that are right at the boards

ie rogers arena in vancouver ... one turnbuckle ... and the padded edge of the glass is set back about a foot

why not have ONE standard across the NHL ... also for the actual way the boards and glass is engineered around the rink ... why do some arenas have give to their boards and glass while others have minimal give


as for the edge where the players bench area begins ... Im no engineer but there has to be a way to contour the plexiglass instead of having a 90 degree edge or intersection

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[jstewismybastardson]

I have read 'if it was anywhere else on the ice' there would have been no injury. While I agree that the location is what caused most of the damage, players have been hurt when their heads have been pushed up against the the glass in other areas of the ice too. And from some angles it certainly looks like Chara pushed Max's head, and if he did there may have been any injury no matter where they were on the ice.

what ive been hearing all morning ... players being interviewed ... and saying they know where they are on the ice at all times and Chara knew where is was and he was close to the danger point

in the same breath, I heard Ray Ferraro say, yes players know where they are but we're asking him to adjust to his surrounding after fully committing to throw a rubout hit in less than a second

 

[Comeds]

what ive been hearing all morning ... players being interviewed ... and saying they know where they are on the ice at all times and Chara knew where is was and he was close to the danger point

in the same breath, I heard Ray Ferraro say, yes players know where they are but we're asking him to adjust to his surrounding after fully committing to throw a rubout hit in less than a second

I was just trying to say that if Chara pushed Max's head into the flat glass 20 feet down the ice instead of the 'turnbuckle' there still may have been an injury. Probably not as severe, but there could still have been one.

 

[pixburgher66]

Wow. A vertebrae fx is nothing to scoff at. Yikes. They don't give any indication as to which vertebrae, do they? That's extremely important. In my limited experience with training now I've already seen one vertebrae fx, and it was of C1 (which is extremely uncommon), so it was scary but the symptoms were a bit different in that situation, because the spinal cord isn't really compromised in that particular situation.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

like i posted above, many arenas around the nhl dont have these stanchions between the players benches that are right at the boards

why not have ONE standard across the NHL ... also for the actual way the boards and glass is engineered around the rink ... why do some arenas have give to their boards and glass while others have minimal give

I think this is based heavily on who designs the arena. It seems like they're more similar now than they used to be now that the older arenas are being retired, but there's always going to be differences.

I think the teams try for that to some extent though, because they want that home ice advantage of really knowing the type of bounces they're going to get.

Totally on-board with the curved glass idea though.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

what ive been hearing all morning ... players being interviewed ... and saying they know where they are on the ice at all times and Chara knew where is was and he was close to the danger point

in the same breath, I heard Ray Ferraro say, yes players know where they are but we're asking him to adjust to his surrounding after fully committing to throw a rubout hit in less than a second

This for sure goes to the point you made about differences in arenas though too. This game was in MTL, so if the dimensions of the benches and the exact positioning of those joints is different than in Boston, Chara isn't going to know as well where the joint is that's coming up.

 

[evolver115]

Wow. A vertebrae fx is nothing to scoff at. Yikes. They don't give any indication as to which vertebrae, do they? That's extremely important. In my limited experience with training now I've already seen one vertebrae fx, and it was of C1 (which is extremely uncommon), so it was scary but the symptoms were a bit different in that situation, because the spinal cord isn't really compromised in that particular situation.

That is a really scary situation Max is in. His career is probably hanging in the balance. Not that this has any more, or less of an impact on this situation... but Pacioretty is a 1st Round draft pick, and he was really coming on this season for the Habs, 14G 10A 24Pts.

This is a really difficult situation to diagnose for punishment on Chara. He isn't known to be a dirty player, but this one does smell fishy because of the incident between the two earlier in the season.

Not to mention, the puck was no where near Pacioretty when the hit was applied, and he was in one of the more vulnerable positions on the ice... in front of the bench.

I hate to say it, but Chara should know better. He's damn near 7 feet tall on skates. Yes, the game is physical but players need to have a common respect for one another. This is just a broken record on the season. :mmph: