Sanchez is the Eagles Starting QB

[deerpathdave]

For now. The contract says it all. They signed him to be the defacto starter at this point and time and depending on how things shake out, it could stay that way.

1. We could have a Foles/Sanchez QB battle if things stay the way they are.
2. Foles could be packaged for Mariota, and Sanchez would be the placeholder until Mariota is ready. I don't really think that would be long. The attraction with Mariota is he already knows the system.
3. I strongly suspect the media has it all wrong and Chip has a different plan entirely. Could be he likes Hundley, plans to draft him with the 20th pick and trade Foles to Jets or St. Louis and for another pick.

 

[soulxflare]

If Foles is on the roster at the beginning of the year, there is no QB controversy -- he's the starter. Sanchez played his way out of that conversation last year.

 

[Iggloo]

No. The contract merely gives Sanchez incentives in the case that he winds up starting.

What that likely means is, they are going after MM, and may trade Foles and draft a rookie. But the rookie may not be ready, so they wanted a veteran backup to play the "Pederson" role.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

But...but.... but....I thought everyone was rubbing my nose in Nick Foles' success 2 years ago on KFFL. Why what happened? You mean he is not the stud I was led to believe? I for one am shocked.

 

[deerpathdave]

If Foles is on the roster at the beginning of the year, there is no QB controversy -- he's the starter. Sanchez played his way out of that conversation last year.

I suspect that Kelly may not see it that way. He has been doing his indepth end of year evaluation and I think what we are hearing is that they like Sanchez more than Foles. They figure they can get a first or equivalent for Foles and go with Sanchez as the starter - at least until the next guy is ready....and I am not convinced its Mariota. Kelly doesn't listen to the hype and the media. He looks at the players and what they can do. In his mind, Hundley may be as good as Mariota.

 

[soulxflare]

I suspect that Kelly may not see it that way. He has been doing his indepth end of year evaluation and I think what we are hearing is that they like Sanchez more than Foles. They figure they can get a first or equivalent for Foles and go with Sanchez as the starter - at least until the next guy is ready....and I am not convinced its Mariota. Kelly doesn't listen to the hype and the media. He looks at the players and what they can do. In his mind, Hundley may be as good as Mariota.

I see what you're saying, but I just can't believe this. I mean, anyone with a functional set of eyes knows that Foles is a much better QB than backbreaking-turnover-machine Sanchez.

I personally think this indicates that they're confident that he can make a spot start here or there, but can't be a #1 guy.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

I would take Foles in a heartbeat. His regression if you could call it that was way overblown.

You have to remember that no matter how good Sanchez looks sometimes, he will still end up having the same amount of TD's to turnovers. That is insane.

 

[deerpathdave]

I love the fact that Kelly is holed up somewhere evaluating players and making deals and talking to absolutely no one in the media. What happened in 2013 is of little interest to him. If he thinks Sanchez is the better option in 2015 that is what he will do. All the better if the media and the league see things differently....just makes it easier to get value where he doesn't see it. In his mind, Gore > McCoy, and its looking like Sanchez > Foles.

 

[swat]

Sanchez is just as good as Foles & Nick is due a bigger contract because of his "upside" & age.

Makes sense to bring Sanchez back if Foles is not your guy & you are getting rid of Foles & drafting a QB high in the draft.

Been my scenario for the longest.

 

[eaglesnut]

If Chip likes Sanchez so much then why didn't Chip let Sanchez throw the damn ball?? The more the season went on the less the offense let Sanchez do. That is some backwards ass shit.

 

[soulxflare]

If Chip likes Sanchez so much then why didn't Chip let Sanchez throw the damn ball?? The more the season went on the less the offense let Sanchez do. That is some backwards ass shit.

Because the more Sanchez throws, the more he hurts the team. He isn't on Foles' level on his best day.

 

[deerpathdave]

Because the more Sanchez throws, the more he hurts the team. He isn't on Foles' level on his best day.

Sanchez ended with an 88 rating - by far the best year of his career. In his last two games it was 96 and 99 with 86 total passes. Clearly he got more comfortable with the system and Kelly trusted him to throw the ball.

Foles in 2014 has an 82 rating, which can be argued was pretty good given the state of the line for several of those games. Still a pretty major regression.

This was the first year in the system for Sanchez and he performed pretty well overall. He also is arguably more athletic and a better passer. The big question is his decision making (i.e. INTs), which a coach always thinks is fixable.

 

[soulxflare]

Sanchez ended with an 88 rating - by far the best year of his career. In his last two games it was 96 and 99 with 86 total passes. Clearly he got more comfortable with the system and Kelly trusted him to throw the ball.

Foles in 2014 has an 82 rating, which can be argued was pretty good given the state of the line for several of those games. Still a pretty major regression.

This was the first year in the system for Sanchez and he performed pretty well overall. He also is arguably more athletic and a better passer. The big question is his decision making (i.e. INTs), which a coach always thinks is fixable.

Passer rating is the most overrated and overused stat in all of sports. In today's offenses, it means exactly nothing. QBs do MUCH more than just throw the ball nowadays. That being said, even if it was a legitimate stat, using those numbers here is skewed because Sanchez played under a healthy o-line and Foles didn't.

Sanchez is fine as long as he's asked to manage the game. The minute you need him to try and carry your team, for any length of time, you're screwed. He has a propensity, more than almost any other QB I've seen, to throw a backbreaking INT at the absolute worst time. Like I said before -- the more he's asked to throw, the more likely it is that he's going to hurt your team.

Foles definitely took a step back last year -- but, let's be honest, did anyone think 27/2 was repeatable? I certainly didn't. His play would have been much better if the line wasn't a sieve in front of him for most of his starts. I definitely think that he can be a 30/10 guy more often than not -- and especially in Chip's offense. He also makes FAR less poor decisions than Sanchez does with the football.

 

[Cyder]

Because the more Sanchez throws, the more he hurts the team. He isn't on Foles' level on his best day.

I've seen it first hand for entire seasons. Sanchez is a turnover machine

 

[soulxflare]

I've seen it first hand for entire seasons. Sanchez is a turnover machine

Yep. He can look good enough for short spurts, but karma seems to catch up with this guy much more quickly than most.

 

[Cyder]

Yep. He can look good enough for short spurts, but the law of averages seems to catch up with this guy much more quickly than most.

If you have a big O line and good running game like the Jets had in his first 2 years he's a decent game manager. In this offense I don't get it other than as a back up.

 

[deerpathdave]

Passer rating is the most overrated and overused stat in all of sports. In today's offenses, it means exactly nothing. QBs do MUCH more than just throw the ball nowadays. That being said, even if it was a legitimate stat, using those numbers here is skewed because Sanchez played under a healthy o-line and Foles didn't.

Sanchez is fine as long as he's asked to manage the game. The minute you need him to try and carry your team, for any length of time, you're screwed. He has a propensity, more than almost any other QB I've seen, to throw a backbreaking INT at the absolute worst time. Like I said before -- the more he's asked to throw, the more likely it is that he's going to hurt your team.

Foles definitely took a step back last year -- but, let's be honest, did anyone think 27/2 was repeatable? I certainly didn't. His play would have been much better if the line wasn't a sieve in front of him for most of his starts. I definitely think that he can be a 30/10 guy more often than not -- and especially in Chip's offense. He also makes FAR less poor decisions than Sanchez does with the football.

lol. I always get a laugh when people poo poo Passer Rating. Really take any stat you like and you will get the same result. Sanchez played well and better than Foles in 2014. I do agree the line was a mess for several games with Foles.

Its really not important what you and I think though. What is important is what Kelly thinks, and we are getting signs that Kelly prefers Sanchez. He may also like the fact that he may be able to get a #1 for a guy that may be only marginally better (or worse) than Sanchez, and at the end of the day he may like another QB in the draft better than both those guys. All that plays into it I am sure. But who knows? Maybe he just plain likes Sanchez?

 

[Iggloo]

But...but.... but....I thought everyone was rubbing my nose in Nick Foles' success 2 years ago on KFFL. Why what happened? You mean he is not the stud I was led to believe? I for one am shocked.

Chip looks like he wants a more mobile guy, because Chip runs an unusual offense.

But...for most NFL teams, including yours, Foles would represent an upgrade at QB. That is why if he is traded, he will likely start for another team opening day.

For the record, I like Foles and think trading him might prove to be a big mistake. But if we got Mariota, it would be interesting to watch Chip run his offense in the NFL, the way he really wants to do so.

 

[soulxflare]

I'm not trying to read Chip's mind here, that is a rather fruitless effort. I'm simply commenting on the facts of the situation, and those are that Foles is just flat-out better than Sanchez.

Also, why are you ignoring Foles 2013 stats? They count just as much as his 2014 stats do, and they slaughter any numbers that Sanchez has ever put up.

 

[Screamin Eagle]

For now. The contract says it all. They signed him to be the defacto starter at this point and time and depending on how things shake out, it could stay that way.

1. We could have a Foles/Sanchez QB battle if things stay the way they are.
2. Foles could be packaged for Mariota, and Sanchez would be the placeholder until Mariota is ready. I don't really think that would be long. The attraction with Mariota is he already knows the system.
3. I strongly suspect the media has it all wrong and Chip has a different plan entirely. Could be he likes Hundley, plans to draft him with the 20th pick and trade Foles to Jets or St. Louis and for another pick.

While I can't say you are wrong I do think you are buying into Mikey Miss too much.