RR the break down , a tragic lesson of overhype

[Stymietee]

ok, I also thought it had a role being Synder's guy drafted in the first round. Being a defensive coach, no one should have been surprised when he went Young. He did give Haskins a shot in starting. If he was forced to, we will never know.

See my response above.

 

[deanpet21]

NO! Good coaches put their players in the best position to win, not properly developing Haskins was the opposite of that. Besides, I'm a bit tired of that lame excuse... If a GM had selected a player, the job of the coach was/is to make that player work in his system. What difference does it make that Snyder (if true) forced that pick? They got him, and the job was to make the most out of that pick, NOT bitch and moan about him "not being his guy" or that the owner wanted him for whatever reason. If a new head coach is hired, his job is to make the best out of what he has, and not bitch and moan about what he doesn't have.

but as you said it factored in when he drafted Young. If synder didnt draft Haskins, the previous year,maybe Tua would have been on his radar. Haskins was an unknown in his rookie year

 

[Stymietee]

but as you said it factored in when he drafted Young. If synder didnt draft Haskins, the previous year,maybe Tua would have been on his radar. Haskins was an unknown in his rookie year

Look at the track record man, They've either traded down or drafted defense early on. What I said was that it factored in ONLY to the extent that it accelerated the failure of Haskins and enabled Rivera's bend toward establishing a defensive team. Tua would not have been the pick either, and that's the point.

 

[deanpet21]

Look at the track record man, They've either traded down or drafted defense early on. What I said was that it factored in ONLY to the extent that it accelerated the failure of Haskins and enabled Rivera's bend toward establishing a defensive team. Tua would not have been the pick either, and that's the point.

If Haskins wasnt drafted there would have been no young QB. I think Haskins factored into the equation of drafting Young. Young turned into being a one-year wonder and we struck out on Fitz and Wentz. Went TH instead of Howell last year after the CW injury. I thought that was a mistake. Then finally goes to Howell this year and it was too late for RR.

 

[Stymietee]

If Haskins wasnt drafted there would have been no young QB. I think Haskins factored into the equation of drafting Young. Young turned into being a one-year wonder and we struck out on Fitz and Wentz. Went TH instead of Howell last year after the CW injury. I thought that was a mistake. Then finally goes to Howell this year and it was too late for RR.

Correct... exactly the way Rivera prefers it (no young QBs) Keep in mind that Heinicke was 28/29 when he started here.

 

[duke1861]

i'm convinced this guy will never get it. I do wonder if most of yall know this and just jack with him to keep the post counts up.

He makes predictions and then dies on those hills. He finally admitted Rivera was a mistkae...after 3 years and 13 games in season 4.

He gets overly excited about things and it clouds his judgement. That is the problem.

 

[gkekoa]

I think people don’t understand what a culture change is really. The culture of this franchise was Snyder meddled frequently and there was no accountability prior to RR. Once RR got here, Snyder still meddled and there was still no accountability.

EB has brought a cultural change and the players do not like it. They are being held accountable. He problem is, the OL has no talent…none whatsoever, with a slight exception of Cosmi,I would love to know how much say EB had in bringing Wylie over.

 

[Rowdy]

10 inch letters right here

@Rowdy

you getting this?

lol

Yes I know that from his OC hire

 

[Stymietee]

I think people don’t understand what a culture change is really. The culture of this franchise was Snyder meddled frequently and there was no accountability prior to RR. Once RR got here, Snyder still meddled and there was still no accountability.

EB has brought a cultural change and the players do not like it. They are being held accountable. He problem is, the OL has no talent…none whatsoever, with a slight exception of Cosmi,I would love to know how much say EB had in bringing Wylie over.

Perfectly stated!

Players talk and they talk about the workplace, when you have one aspect of the team (offensive side) being held accountable and another not having to adhere to that standard, (defensive side) the door is open for derision from one side to the other. Such a split among coaching standards can't be good for team adhesion and it truly shows on the field. I think that Allen's remarks were a veiled reference to his side of the ball being held to a lesser standard. and as he said, he's "tired of it!"

 

[Rowdy]

but as you said it factored in when he drafted Young. If synder didnt draft Haskins, the previous year,maybe Tua would have been on his radar. Haskins was an unknown in his rookie year

Tua would do nothing on this current team. He’s definitely a one read qb.

 

[Rowdy]

I think people don’t understand what a culture change is really. The culture of this franchise was Snyder meddled frequently and there was no accountability prior to RR. Once RR got here, Snyder still meddled and there was still no accountability.

EB has brought a cultural change and the players do not like it. They are being held accountable. He problem is, the OL has no talent…none whatsoever, with a slight exception of Cosmi,I would love to know how much say EB had in bringing Wylie over.

From what I heard EB wanted both Wylie and gates

 

[gkekoa]

From what I heard EB wanted both Wylie and gates

What were his choices? What is the source? Wylie I can see because he has a past with him. What were his other options regarding these positions?

 

[Rowdy]

What were his choices? What is the source? Wylie I can see because he has a past with him. What were his other options regarding these positions?

I don’t know the options. EB was given complete control of the offense.

 

[gkekoa]

I don’t know the options. EB was given complete control of the offense.

Was he? I know that is the claim; however, the HC can always overrule him. From there, no OC gets to choose all his players. They have input but no power.

 

[Sportster 72]

Was he? I know that is the claim; however, the HC can always overrule him. From there, no OC gets to choose all his players. They have input but no power.

Dan was still the owner then ..... who knows what might have happened.

 

[skinz2winz]

Tonight's Bengals vs Jax game is a prime example of a very young QB (Browning) put into a position to succeed based off his play callers design and game flow. Taylor called a great game using his powerful run game with Mixon, short passing game and yes, exemplary plays by Browning to find success.

EB not even in this realm of successful game planning vs opponent and protecting/guiding/growing a young QB. I want to see a change in philosophy here in DC where we are known for being tough up front and you better pack your lunch pale when playing Washington.

 

[chillerdab]

Tonight's Bengals vs Jax game is a prime example of a very young QB (Browning) put into a position to succeed based off his play callers design and game flow. Taylor called a great game using his powerful run game with Mixon, short passing game and yes, exemplary plays by Browning to find success.

EB not even in this realm of successful game planning vs opponent and protecting/guiding/growing a young QB. I want to see a change in philosophy here in DC where we are known for being tough up front and you better pack your lunch pale when playing Washington.

I want to see a change in philosophy here in DC where we are known for winning and having an excellent culture. I don't care if it's lunchpail, finesse, hardnosed, smashmouth, air coryell, run-and-shoot derivitive, west-coast, or otherwise.

 

[kbso83432]

The legacy of RR here in DC is a lot of hype and little production . he was brought here to change the culture but in fact he did little to change it .

lets start with his FO moves . he hired wright (a disaster ) as shown by the name change fiasco , the sean taylor appreciation day and ring of honor ceremony and that half ass statue unveiling. wright promised fan input but the choice was made before any fan feedback . just a series of deceit and lies . the logo had the wrong superbowl dates and the uniforms are bush league

next he brought in mayhew and hurney( from his losing panther regime ) and neither man did his job well. i will go through the drafts they had and how they ignored the fact that CY didnt want to play here and yet drafted him anyway . now i will grant you they did it under the orders of RR and essentially had no real power

i will never give RR a pass for choosing the commanders name as he bent the knee to wokeness and make no mistake he chose it and could have cared less what the fans , his customers if you will wanted . he oversaw some of the worst attendance records in franchise history and now our stadium is little more then an extended home game for the visiting team as the NFL mocks our team and fan base . he hired the wrong people and stuck with cronies from the losing panther regime . the team has quit on him and this snake oil salesman has alienated the leaders of this football team with a product that is unwatchable . he fined JDR for his political beliefs while shoving wokism down our throats with the name change and poor excuses as to why we couldnt keep our heritage since the name could stand . it was the act of a coward .

now lets take a look at his drafts
2020 1st round chase young , he passed on 2 qbs tua and herbert for a guy who didnt want to play here and didnt get a 5th yr option picked up
3rd round , AG actually a pretty good player for us most of his career here but he wont be back
4th round charles a bust who cant stay healthy and has failed as a starter when given the chance
4th AGG , bust who retired after 2 seasons of urine
5th ismail out of the NFL a poor guy to take a flier on
5th hudson flashes every once in awhile but career ST player
7th Curl maybe his best draft pick of his reign
7th JSW i would sy a good pick as well

2021
1st round jamin davis , overdrafted player who wont get a 5th yr option
2nd cosmi drafted as an OT and moved to OG probably the least shitiest of the o/lineman
3rd BSJand dyami brown , both appear to be busts particularly brown
4th bates decent player
5th Defo decent player but injury prone
6th cheese dick worst pick of his career and he traded up for him
7th WBK , out of league , toney suspended for gambling career over , milne slow BU slot and crappy PR , a hanger on type
2022
dotson 1st up and down wr trending towards not getting a 5th year but that could change
2nd mathis so far a huge injury prone bust
3rd brob , very good pick
4th butler good BU safety so far
5th turner , has promise but little production to show for it
5th howell maybe his best pick along with curl
7th paul not ready for prime time as a starter , a BU as his draft position indicates
7th holmes good ST player not sure why he isnt getting more time at CB
2023
1st EF huge disappointment so far , simply not big enough
2nd martin huge reach in round 2 and we passed on better player
3rd stromberg IR
4th daniel IR reach
5th henry decent pick but we traded up for him
6th rod good pick perhaps the most productive pick of this draft
7th jones actually has promise as a BU DE

overall his drafts are composed of reaches with a smattering of good late round choices with some questionable scouting and lack of identifying needs, making the right pick to fill a need and a propensity to act like he is the smartest guy in the room
next post FA and trades

You crushed that! Great read and very accurate.

 

[kbso83432]

Now lets look at his FA record
2020 class
peyton barber , bust
richard rogers ??? bust
lucas good PU not great
nate orchard bust
fuller , good PU
bostic BUST
wes schweitezer decent but injury prone
davis , panther retread bust
KPL bust sean davis colossal bust
JD Mckissic good signing until injuries ate him up
2021 class

• Curtis Samuel, WR. not worth the cash but after 1st year good
• William Jackson, CB bust
• Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB.bust
• Adam Humphries, WR.bust
• Tyler Larsen, C. decent
• David Mayo, LB.horrible
• Danny Johnson, CB.decent
• Lamar Miller, RB.bust

2022 class

• Andrew Norwell, G. bust
• J.D. McKissic, RB. injured
• Bobby McCain, S.bust
• Cornelius Lucas, T.good
• Efe Obada, DE.good /injured
• Danny Johnson, CB.decent
• Cam Sims, WR. bust
• Troy Apke, DB.huge bust dumb resign
• 2203 class
• jacoby brisset decent hasnt played but good mentor
• wylie , huge bust
• gates huge bust
• trent scott bust
• barton bust
• larsen injury prone but decent

now lets look at the trades
Wince huge bust
sweat decent
CY poor return
this is a statement on poor scouting and bargain basement shopping . now we now know he could have resigned trent williams if he offered more money and he let BS walk because he didnt want to pay thats 2 all pro lineman
a major flaw he should know about

philosophy
his cronyism to his panther pals and his inflexibilty are his downfall . his time management , use of analytics are pedestrian nor is his sense of timing . . his teams routinely are unprepared and his adjustments are non existent . he airs out his dirty laundry with his player and coaches often undermining them in the process . his coach centric model is a joke with him having little accountability or any checks and balances

overall he has set this franchise back most likely 1/2 a decade unless the new regime makes every choice perfectly

I want to dispute this but I can't. Good work @skinsdad62

 

[skinz2winz]

I want to see a change in philosophy here in DC where we are known for winning and having an excellent culture. I don't care if it's lunchpail, finesse, hardnosed, smashmouth, air coryell, run-and-shoot derivitive, west-coast, or otherwise.

Agreed but with a competent OLine and a power runner like Robinson, our true identify on offense should be "Smash the F'king ball down your throat" philosophy. The wins will come.