Riley Reiff at Left Tackle

[Old Lion]

What worries me is that in his 1 start he had 2 holding penalties and I believe a sack, but not sure if it was counted as a sack. He was not terrible though. He just made some rookie mistakes.

I would assume he will be better this year, but we have to wait and see.

Maybe they move Fox to LT and Reiff to RT if it does not work out.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Yeah, Long over Ryan was clearly a huge gaffe.

I've never been a Parcells fan; he had some success with the Giants and Jets, but it seems like every analyst was all over his dick for a good 15 years since he'd done anything meaningful. He didn't do shit with Dallas or Miami.

I think he was a decent GM early on, but then his ego prevented him from having sustained success and reaching his full potential.

The "my way or the highway" control freaks like him are too insecure to be consistently successful in a team sport like the NFL...

 

[tpaulus_2]

What worries me is that in his 1 start he had 2 holding penalties and I believe a sack, but not sure if it was counted as a sack. He was not terrible though. He just made some rookie mistakes.

I would assume he will be better this year, but we have to wait and see.

Maybe they move Fox to LT and Reiff to RT if it does not work out.

I think your first paragraph should quell your own fears on that one. The part about it being his first start is key...

 

[tpaulus_2]

(as part of the Pro-Stafford crowd the next year vs. the Jason Smith crowd who were mesmerized by Parcells Jake Long pick the year before). The main argument against me was "I'm sure Bill Parcells knows what he is doing!"

I was in the Jason Smith camp, but not because of Parcells. I just didn't know enough about Stafford to make me like him as much as I should have... Had I known of the rocket launcher attached to his shoulder I would have been 100% in his camp, though...

 

[tpaulus_2]

...and Miami is rebuilding with a new (far crappier) QB, while Matt Ryan is taking the Falcons to the playoffs every year.

So ya, I totally agree with you. Thing is, Mayhew has yet to botch any 1st round picks. It's after the 1st round where fans should be worried.

Not a Ryan Tannehill fan? He's definitely not in Matt Ryan's league yet, but I thought he did pretty damn well for a rookie without shit for a supporting cast around him. He had some good RB help, but not much at all at WR or TE.

His completion percentage was ok for a rookie, and his yards weren't too bad, but he did fumble too much and his TD to INT ratio wasn't good either. Also, he played in the season that featured the 3 best rookie QBs to ever come out, so he looked far worse by comparison.

If he had been in this year's draft I think he would have been the #1 overall pick, or a top 5 pick at the very least. He's got a good arm, prototype size for the position and ran a 4.6 something 40 coming out, so, imo, there's lots to like with the kid.

But I'll still concede that he's nowhere near Matt Ryan in terms of his play...

 

[RobBase]

Not a Ryan Tannehill fan?

Not really. I have a thing against Big 12 QB's as their bust rate is basically 100% due to that damn spread O they all love so much. Sam Bradford is tip toeing it right now (IMO the Rams draft an new franchise QB next year) and the jury is still out on RG3 (although RG3 seems to have broken the mold with his play before he was hurt). I was also surprised Miami won as many games as they did last year. The jury is still out on Tannehill but no, I don't see him developing into a Matt Ryan. Maybe NFL coaches have FINALLY figured out how to coach these guys in the pros. Idk.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Reiff hasn't even had a chance yet and the "realists" are already throwing him under the bus.

If he doesn't make the All Pro team this year we're going to spend all next offseason hearing about what a bust he is.

Not sure if this was towards me, but I just put up this thread because of the quote from Jim Schwartz. The way it was worded didn't sound like he was very confident in Reiff playing LT and holding onto the spot there.

As I said though -- maybe I was reading too much into it, but Schwartz is usually really positive about his player, but this quote made it sound like Reiff is going to be the LT, as he is the only option, and he will be there until they bring someone else in.

 

[themuzzer]

Not sure if this was towards me, but I just put up this thread because of the quote from Jim Schwartz. The way it was worded didn't sound like he was very confident in Reiff playing LT and holding onto the spot there.

As I said though -- maybe I was reading too much into it, but Schwartz is usually really positive about his player, but this quote made it sound like Reiff is going to be the LT, as he is the only option, and he will be there until they bring someone else in.

I'll agree......From everything The Lions have done and said I don't have a warm fuzzy about Reiff playing LT....

If we can land a Bonafide LT in FA I will do carwheels....I don't think Rieff is that guy.....He will probably make a adequate RT and I would be cool with that. Staffords blind side is what I'm worried about this year.

Something is amiss right now......If Reiff couldn't beat out a aging Backus being drafted in the first round, he isn't the guy....Simple as that.....What scares me is we don't have other options at LT right now...


Let me say IMO before I get the fire brigade all over my ass because I don't agree with them.....

Really? Is that all it takes is to say "IMO" so people don't attack posts that don't agree with their's?

We have a problem at LT and if people refuse to see it so be it.....(IMO)

 

[RobBase]

Something is amiss right now......If Reiff couldn't beat out a aging Backus being drafted #1, he isn't the guy....Simple as that.....

Really? You expect a faking rookie to walk in and beat out a 10 year vet who the coaches say should have made the Pro Bowl last year (assuming he was ever even given the chance)? I don't care how old Backus is those are some unrealistic expectations.

You realize Luke Joekel is going to play RT for the Jags this year right? That means he's not good enough to beat out Eugene Monroe YET and he was the no.2 pick. IF KC retains Albert chances are super rookie Fisher starts his career at RT too.

Riley Reiff has 1 full year of NFL experience now. He's not even close to being the same player as last year.

 

[themuzzer]

Really? You expect a faking rookie to walk in and beat out a 10 year vet who the coaches say should have made the Pro Bowl last year (assuming he was ever even given the chance)? I don't care how old Backus is those are some unrealistic expectations.

You realize Luke Joekel is going to play RT for the Jags this year right? That means he's not good enough to beat out Eugene Monroe YET and he was the no.2 pick. IF KC retains Albert chances are super rookie Fisher starts his career at RT too.

Riley Reiff has 1 full year of NFL experience now. He's not even close to being the same player as last year.

Gonna have to agree to disagree swarm......Reiff has No experience.....He was on the Lions roster but basically did nothing......Just because your on a roster doesn't give you experinece. Getting beat by Peppers or any other quality RDE in the NFL will give you that experience.

 

[RobBase]

I'm saying he has one full year in the system, at practice, with his face in playbook every day, being coached AND he has *some* game experience.. He had none of that coming out of Iowa. That's got to count for something.

Edit: Can anyone tell me why Wiki says Reiff played in 16 games last year for the Lions, starting 8 of them? I know he played but that seems wrong.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Not sure if this was towards me

Nope. That comment goes back to the CBS thread where everyone was freaking out that Reiff would get moved to guard if we drafted Fisher or Joeckel.


On a related note, I think it's funny that a bunch of people didn't think we should even draft Fisher if he fell to #5 because he was a "workout warrior" from the MAC, and they said he wasn't even a top 10 lock. Lol, looks like they nailed that one.

I'm still bummed we couldn't land one of those two, but I'm alright with Ansah. He's going to be a 2 or 3 year project, and may well outlast Jim Shorts and Mayhew, but he's so scheme versatile that he'll be an asset no matter what the new brass wants to run...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Something is amiss right now......If Reiff couldn't beat out a aging Backus being drafted in the first round, he isn't the guy....Simple as that.

On the surface that makes sense, but Backus had arguably his best year as a pro last season, so Reiff coming in as a rookie and taking his spot wasn't going to happen. Backus gave up 1.5 sacks in 15 starts last year, that's just plain outstanding considering that we set the NFL record for passing attempts.

However, Reiff absolutely, positively should have been the starter at RG from about week 4 or 5 onward. Peterman flat-out stunk and Schwartz was just too proud to admit it and yank the guy.

I'm still pissed that we didn't play the younger guys once the playoffs were mathematically out of reach. Old JimBob fed us the BS about fans paying to see their team try to win... fuck that noise! We're not stupid, we know those games don't mean shit, so develop the guys who will still be with the team next year and put us in a better position to win when the games act matter again. Besides, we lost all those games anyhow... I think Coach Asshat owes us an apology for screwing the pooch on that one...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Really? You expect a faking rookie to walk in and beat out a 10 year vet who the coaches say should have made the Pro Bowl last year (assuming he was ever even given the chance)? I don't care how old Backus is those are some unrealistic expectations.

You realize Luke Joekel is going to play RT for the Jags this year right? That means he's not good enough to beat out Eugene Monroe YET and he was the no.2 pick. IF KC retains Albert chances are super rookie Fisher starts his career at RT too.

Riley Reiff has 1 full year of NFL experience now. He's not even close to being the same player as last year.

Agreed all around- if you have even a servicable left tackle (like Monroe) then you let the rookie start at RT so he can adjust to the NFL level competition before moving him to the left side. UNLESS you have a young RT that you plan to keep there long-term. Then you don't want to displace him so you basically just have to throw the rookie in there.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Gonna have to agree to disagree swarm......Reiff has No experience.....He was on the Lions roster but basically did nothing......Just because your on a roster doesn't give you experinece. Getting beat by Peppers or any other quality RDE in the NFL will give you that experience.

That's not true at all. He only got one game of experience at left tackle, but he got a ton of snaps- technically he had 8 starts on the year because of how often we used that jumbo set where we brought him in as an extra lineman...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Edit: Can anyone tell me why Wiki says Reiff played in 16 games last year for the Lions, starting 8 of them? I know he played but that seems wrong.

Lol, I didn't read yours before commenting on Muzzer's...

He played in all 16 games, the first couple as an "up" blocker on special teams. Then we started using the jumbo set with him in there as an extra tackle and that where 7 of those 8 starts came from. Technically, if we opened the game in the jumbo set, he was a starter. The NFL website lists him as having 8 starts too...

 

[themuzzer]

That's not true at all. He only got one game of experience at left tackle, but he got a ton of snaps- technically he had 8 starts on the year because of how often we used that jumbo set where we brought him in as an extra lineman...

Again, he wasn't drafted to be a TE, G, or H back and all but one start came from that......He is what he is.....He couldn't beat out Backus or Cherilous.... Peterman Hilliard and Fox still remains to be seen.....He's a unknown and 1st round picks should be plug in and play on the Lions....

I'll go back and say it.....He was never drafted to play RT, or Guard......I have a hunch we stunk this one up and that's what we got.....Good chance he will be at LT this year and that's only because Backus retired not because Reiff was better.

 

[jdwills126]

Again, he wasn't drafted to be a TE, G, or H back and all but one start came from that......He is what he is.....He couldn't beat out Backus or Cherilous.... Peterman Hilliard and Fox still remains to be seen.....He's a unknown and 1st round picks should be plug in and play on the Lions....

I'll go back and say it.....He was never drafted to play RT, or Guard......I have a hunch we stunk this one up and that's what we got.....Good chance he will be at LT this year and that's only because Backus retired not because Reiff was better.

The Lions were a playoff team and I get the continuity and Backus was a team leader. Before anyone losses their job the Lions would want to make sure it didn't effect the team.

It doesn't change that after the Lions were out of it he didn't get some real minutes as well as Fox and Hillyard.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

That's not true at all. He only got one game of experience at left tackle, but he got a ton of snaps- technically he had 8 starts on the year because of how often we used that jumbo set where we brought him in as an extra lineman...

1. Reiff didn't get a 'ton of snaps' -- he'd be brought in for a series or two a game.

2. Reiff lined up as a TE and a lot of the time he was put in motion.

3. The overwhelming majority of the time, the Lions ran the ball whenever he was in the game, so he could double the DE or pick off a LB in the second level.

While he got a couple snaps a game and is listed as starting 8 games -- he really only had one game of actual experience at the LT position.

My biggest issue with Reiff is the fact he never took over a spot on the offensive line last year, even when the Lions were out of the playoff race. If he was even comparable to what the Lions had last year -- He would have been inserted into the starting lineup, just for the experience alone.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

Again, he wasn't drafted to be a TE, G, or H back and all but one start came from that......He is what he is.....He couldn't beat out Backus or Cherilous.... Peterman Hilliard and Fox still remains to be seen.....He's a unknown and 1st round picks should be plug in and play on the Lions....

I'll go back and say it.....He was never drafted to play RT, or Guard......I have a hunch we stunk this one up and that's what we got.....Good chance he will be at LT this year and that's only because Backus retired not because Reiff was better.

Thats a stupid fucking post muzzer.