rg3 was 7-8 in passing on 7 on 7 drills

[skinsdad62]

really dude??

the definition of Hazmat is Hazardous Material. As a Military man, we BOTH know the general definition. So you nickname the coach a dangerous biological or chemical agent that is toxic and in most cases deadly to anything coming into contact with it... but its not meant to be derogatory towards the coach??

As far as what we paid having nothing to do with the situation... thats an attempt to separate the two. But the reality is, the value of an item OR a person you hire is directly related to how well that item or person performs in reference to what it cost you to purchase said named item or hire said named individual.

RG3 has never shown that he can be more than an option/bootleg QB in either the college or Pro level. So what convinces you that he will all of a sudden develop these skills??

short answer nope . i think the name means he is dangerous and a bad ass

 

[SoCalWizFan]

roger staubach , steve young randell cunningham are 3 guys who came into this league as running qbs first then became passers later

the reason are varied but mostly until you learn to read and know what defenses are doing to you you rely on your best asset . all 3's legs were their best assets

RG3's career passing % is 62.7 % that is in line with what a typical WCO qb should be

in fact his completion % is higher then KC , the supposed pocket passer

cam newton is growing into that role as is kaepernick and wilson . why not RG3 ?

You should add the Redskins own Theismann to that list. He certainly ran quite a bit when he first entered the league & even ran back punts for a while (an idea that would never fly at this time). Eventually he went on to win a SB.

 

[skinsdad62]

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his career pass completion % would place him in the top 10 of all qbs for starters even with the "off" year

his rookie year completion % is among the elites of the game

not bad for an "option " qb

 

[Mitziman]

really dude??

the definition of Hazmat is Hazardous Material. As a Military man, we BOTH know the general definition. So you nickname the coach a dangerous biological or chemical agent that is toxic and in most cases deadly to anything coming into contact with it... but its not meant to be derogatory towards the coach??

As far as what we paid having nothing to do with the situation... thats an attempt to separate the two. But the reality is, the value of an item OR a person you hire is directly related to how well that item or person performs in reference to what it cost you to purchase said named item or hire said named individual.

RG3 has never shown that he can be more than an option/bootleg QB in either the college or Pro level. So what convinces you that he will all of a sudden develop these skills??

C'mon Shark. The year Robert won the Heisman trophy, he threw for 4,293 yards, 37 PASSING Touchdowns, 10.7 Yards per attempt with only 402 passing attempts! Seriously, he "has never shown"?

By the way those incredible college passing stats where better than any year Brees, Luck, Brady, or Peyton Manning had in their college career. And, IF they had the athletic ability to run like Robert...I'm sure they would have scrambled just like he did.

 

[Sharkinva]

Like I said MItz... I guess we will get to see this year. Be interesting to see how well he does from the pocket and if it isnt working, just how much of the bootleg/rolling pocket stuff gets brought back. My thinking is, if Bob is kept in the pocket, his accuracy will look much like it did last year. And if thats the case, is it ok to buy you a Number 10 Jersey that says Average Bob on the back??

 

[j_y19]

C'mon Shark. The year Robert won the Heisman trophy, he threw for 4,293 yards, 37 PASSING Touchdowns, 10.7 Yards per attempt with only 402 passing attempts! Seriously, he "has never shown"?

By the way those incredible college passing stats where better than any year Brees, Luck, Brady, or Peyton Manning had in their college career. And, IF they had the athletic ability to run like Robert...I'm sure they would have scrambled just like he did.

Its unarguable that Robert can make all the passes. He has the intelligence to understand and apply any NFL offense. The only question is how will he do under fire in reading NFL defenses. It is by no means an easy thing. Many QBs fail at it. It takes most QBs 3-5 years to become proficient at it. Robert was delayed his first two years by the offense the Shanahan's deployed. He didn't really have to drop back and read defenses too often. SO he may be behind his peers in this regard. Shark did say something that rang true. When under fire, will he revert to his natural abilities and take off running or will he learn to run to space while looking down field? No one knows this yet. Last year it was more of the former. But this doesn't mean he can't evolve into a mobile QB in the mold of a Steve Young. I, for one, am not ready to bet against him. The kid is a proven winner and has succeed at everything he has tried, some of it due to ability, but much of it do to a very good work ethic. Let's just hope he's working on the right things. Seeing as he hired his QB guru to work with him over the offseason, it appears he is.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Like I said MItz... I guess we will get to see this year. Be interesting to see how well he does from the pocket and if it isnt working, just how much of the bootleg/rolling pocket stuff gets brought back. My thinking is, if Bob is kept in the pocket, his accuracy will look much like it did last year. And if thats the case, is it ok to buy you a Number 10 Jersey that says Average Bob on the back??

Thanks for backing the team & having faith in the players. I have never seen someone who claims to be a diehard fan almost wish for their star player to perform poorly. You can keep stating that this is not your intent & that you don't dislike RG3 but all of your posts appear to indicate otherwise. I just don't get it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Thanks for backing the team & having faith in the players. I have never seen someone who claims to be a diehard fan almost wish for their star player to perform poorly. You can keep stating that this is not your intent & that you don't dislike RG3 but all of your posts appear to indicate otherwise. I just don't get it.

You miss the point. Im a fan of the team. I admit Im NOT a fan of the player and likely never will be. I think he is overhyped and over rated. I wont wish for him to fail, but nothing says I need to suddenly become a fan of a guy I hoped like hell some one would save us from taking. He is not worth what we gave up to get him, and my only hope is we put enough talent around him for the team to do well. Because although we traded for him as if he were a franchise QB, in my opinion he is not. You can rant and rave all you want for me not instantly embracing him, but unlike some I dont change my opinion of a player simply because the Skins picked them up. Until he proves he was worth the move, to me he is just the next big thing SOMEONE in Ashburn had to have.

And you are right.. I have no faith in him.

 

[Sportster 72]

Its unarguable that Robert can make all the passes. He has the intelligence to understand and apply any NFL offense. The only question is how will he do under fire in reading NFL defenses. It is by no means an easy thing. Many QBs fail at it. It takes most QBs 3-5 years to become proficient at it. Robert was delayed his first two years by the offense the Shanahan's deployed. He didn't really have to drop back and read defenses too often. SO he may be behind his peers in this regard. Shark did say something that rang true. When under fire, will he revert to his natural abilities and take off running or will he learn to run to space while looking down field? No one knows this yet. Last year it was more of the former. But this doesn't mean he can't evolve into a mobile QB in the mold of a Steve Young. I, for one, am not ready to bet against him. The kid is a proven winner and has succeed at everything he has tried, some of it due to ability, but much of it do to a very good work ethic. Let's just hope he's working on the right things. Seeing as he hired his QB guru to work with him over the offseason, it appears he is.

This is very good analysis instead of throwing out one or two numbers to try to prove your point. Much like Stymie's question the other day. We don't know what the real Griffin is yet because there have been two extremes in his first two years. I think we will see something between those first two years this year. I also agree that we should expect to see Robert grow over the next three years.

 

[Sharkinva]

This is very good analysis instead of throwing out one or two numbers to try to prove your point. Much like Stymie's question the other day. We don't know what the real Griffin is yet because there have been two extremes in his first two years. I think we will see something between those first two years this year. I also agree that we should expect to see Robert grow over the next three years.

Sportster... at one point, while I thought the trade was bad i was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. But after two years of being treated like if i dont fully believe IM going to hell, and added to it his attitude over the last year and peoples CONSTANT excuse making. I have lost faith. So at this point I either want him to hurry up and prove he was worth it, or just fail so people will get off his dick already. Swear that from the moment I ever questioned him, people started acting like my 3rd grade teacher telling me I was going to hell for not believing in Jesus.

 

[j_y19]

Sportster... at one point, while I thought the trade was bad i was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. But after two years of being treated like if i dont fully believe IM going to hell, and added to it his attitude over the last year and peoples CONSTANT excuse making. I have lost faith. So at this point I either want him to hurry up and prove he was worth it, or just fail so people will get off his dick already. Swear that from the moment I ever questioned him, people started acting like my 3rd grade teacher telling me I was going to hell for not believing in Jesus.

Shark, I can understand you feel as you are being ganged up on, hell, you are. As you should know by know, I and others (sportster, for one if Im not mistaken) were also turned off by RG3s behavior in the offseason last year and into last season. I have concerns that this kid may have a personality flaw that may have an affect on his future. It may be a phase that he grows out of as he matures. I have no idea as I am no shrink. But the difference between you and I is I am able to separate his behavior that I find questionable and his undeniable talent, intelligence, and work ethic. In short, I see a lot of positives in this kid and believe, with the right coaching and mentoring, he can rise to be the franchise QB we have been searching for for 20 years. He has the talent to be a difference maker. We saw Cam Newton act similarly when he first came into the league and he appears to have grown out of it. There have been numerous other examples of immature athletes growing into adults before our eyes. For some reason, you have written him off after last offseason. While you were always against trading that many picks, the first year you were on the RG3 bandwagon. It wasn't until his actions after Season 1 did you sour.

SO now it seems that you feel you have your back against the wall and everyone is coming at you. Its like this is your alamo. The more folks chide you, the more you dig in. I have no problem with your opinion that you don't think he was worth the trade. You may very well be right. We paid a shitload. I would only ask that you take a step back and look at the totality of the kid and not just the cost to the team or his questionable actions.

 

[Sharkinva]

j_y... I have looked at the totality of the kid. I have taken the Cam Newton situation into consideration as well. However Cam wasnt coddled in his bad behavior by the team and ownership. Again all Im asking now is he either hurry up and live up to his billing, or prove he wasnt worth it. Because I really dont think the fanbase can take a Romo situation where he is called a franchise QB, yet the team is constantly middle of the pack and the fan base IS truly divided on the player.

 

[j_y19]

j_y... I have looked at the totality of the kid. I have taken the Cam Newton situation into consideration as well. However Cam wasnt coddled in his bad behavior by the team and ownership. Again all Im asking now is he either hurry up and live up to his billing, or prove he wasnt worth it. Because I really dont think the fanbase can take a Romo situation where he is called a franchise QB, yet the team is constantly middle of the pack and the fan base IS truly divided on the player.

Well, having been a fan of this team for well over 40 years, I don't see the fan base putting up with him if he doesn't produce. This is a tough fan base and they can be very fickle. If we don't see improvement this year, I guarantee you will start to see a significant portion of the fan base start to call for Cousins before seasons end or the next hot QB in the 2015 draft. I could never envision a Romo situation here in DC. The fan base is just too intelligent and, for good or bad, too impatient. I also don't see snyder putting up with him, either. He may be his shiny toy right now, but he'll toss him aside at the blink of an eye. We've seen that before, also.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well, having been a fan of this team for well over 40 years, I don't see the fan base putting up with him if he doesn't produce. This is a tough fan base and they can be very fickle. If we don't see improvement this year, I guarantee you will start to see a significant portion of the fan base start to call for Cousins before seasons end or the next hot QB in the 2015 draft. I could never envision a Romo situation here in DC. The fan base is just too intelligent and, for good or bad, too impatient. I also don't see snyder putting up with him, either. He may be his shiny toy right now, but he'll toss him aside at the blink of an eye. We've seen that before, also.

I agree to a point. As long as Rg3 is selling Jerseys and putting asses in the seats, Dan will hold out hope. He will simply add more toys. Dan is some what like Jerry in that respect. I agree the kid is gifted, and smart by all accounts. And a hard worker. So we'll see how it pans out.

 

[Sportster 72]

Well, having been a fan of this team for well over 40 years, I don't see the fan base putting up with him if he doesn't produce. This is a tough fan base and they can be very fickle. If we don't see improvement this year, I guarantee you will start to see a significant portion of the fan base start to call for Cousins before seasons end or the next hot QB in the 2015 draft. I could never envision a Romo situation here in DC. The fan base is just too intelligent and, for good or bad, too impatient. I also don't see snyder putting up with him, either. He may be his shiny toy right now, but he'll toss him aside at the blink of an eye. We've seen that before, also.

Living in the area I already see lots of people who are not so sure Griffin is the answer. Doc and BMitch were ticked at his latest comments. We here in Washington are no longer blind homers for the most part. After 15 years of Dan Snyder and before that 8 years of Norv most of us have become skeptical.

I might easily lead the Cousins charge but knowing Danny Boy will give Griffin at least two more years (reservations are already made for dinner) I am holding out for Hackenberg.

Seeing that I am 58 years old I am hoping Griffin will become what more than a few of us are afraid he won't so we can win some football games. I really don't care if they put a trained monkey in uniform if he can play. The only QB I have actually openly rooted against was Jeff George.

The only football players I really care about are Navorro Bowman because we have known him since his Boys Club days, my two nephews and their college teams and the boys they grew up with who are still playing ball at a various universities around the country. As for everyone else I root for the jersey more than the person.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Living in the area I already see lots of people who are not so sure Griffin is the answer. Doc and BMitch were ticked at his latest comments. We here in Washington are no longer blind homers for the most part. After 15 years of Dan Snyder and before that 8 years of Norv most of us have become skeptical.

I might easily lead the Cousins charge but knowing Danny Boy will give Griffin at least two more years (reservations are already made for dinner) I am holding out for Hackenberg.

Seeing that I am 58 years old I am hoping Griffin will become what more than a few of us are afraid he won't so we can win some football games. I really don't care if they put a trained monkey in uniform if he can play. The only QB I have actually openly rooted against was Jeff George.

The only football players I really care about are Navorro Bowman because we have known him since his Boys Club days, my two nephews and their college teams and the boys they grew up with who are still playing ball at a various universities around the country. As for everyone else I root for the jersey more than the person.

I grew up in the DC area but have not live there in quite a while. However - I believe that your take on RG3 and the fanbase is pretty consistent among most Redskins fans regardless of where they live. I am like you and j_y. I am just asking for everyone to use the next season or two to evaluate the guy before passing judgement.

It also appears that some folks (not just here) are giving RG3 very negative grades & simply evaluating everything on last season & forgetting about his excellent rookie season (system or not - he did very well). In any - this season will tell a lot. If he stinks up the place - by all means rip the guy apart but let's actually see what happens first.

HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Shark, I can understand you feel as you are being ganged up on, hell, you are.

SO now it seems that you feel you have your back against the wall and everyone is coming at you. Its like this is your alamo.

Let me just state that for my part it sounds like Shark is a good guy and a true Redskins fan (previous comments were made in frustration & not totally serious). This should all be in good fun so please don't take any of it too seriously (sounds like you don't). I also really respect the way that Shark sticks to his guns (as much as I may not agree at times) & always backs up his replies with a clear explanation of his stance.

Oh well - can't wait for at least the Texans game so we have something to base this on instead of a bunch of folks talking about the latest comments coming out of Redskins Park.

 

[Sportster 72]

Let me just state that for my part it sounds like Shark is a good guy and a true Redskins fan (previous comments were made in frustration & not totally serious). This should all be in good fun so please don't take any of it too seriously (sounds like you don't). I also really respect the way that Shark sticks to his guns (as much as I may not agree at times) & always backs up his replies with a clear explanation of his stance.

Oh well - can't wait for at least the Texans game so we have something to base this on instead of a bunch of folks talking about the latest comments coming out of Redskins Park.

dad and Shark are both steadfast in what they believe in. I have seen them argue their points back and forth for months now and never seen one of them waiver. That is not a bad thing, if it is what you believe then stick to your guns. History will tell the story soon enough. I think in the end it will fall somewhere in the middle. Griffin will be okay but maybe not great. Then too there are only a few generational QBs. If they grew on trees it would be easy. Like I said in another post, check back in 10 years.

 

[obibyn]

haters gonna hate

 

[TCB]

Let me just state that for my part it sounds like Shark is a good guy and a true Redskins fan (previous comments were made in frustration & not totally serious). This should all be in good fun so please don't take any of it too seriously (sounds like you don't). I also really respect the way that Shark sticks to his guns (as much as I may not agree at times) & always backs up his replies with a clear explanation of his stance.

Oh well - can't wait for at least the Texans game so we have something to base this on instead of a bunch of folks talking about the latest comments coming out of Redskins Park.

His previous comments were made in frustration? Are you his mother?