RG3 Sucks

[Sharkinva]

Because there is no viable better option. Uless you plan on beating the odds in the draft, and good luck with that, you don't panic and ride this train until the contract expires. That would be the grown up thing to do IMO. The panic move is to pull the plug too early and run the risk of some other team getting a good QB when there is no viable alternative.

OK again that is your opinion. Not a fact by any stretch of the word. Im not suggesting we cut him at the end of the season if he does not show HUGE improvement. What i am saying is that if we get to week 17 and we are still saying, well he holds onto the ball too long, takes needless sacks, and that the only real way he can show production is to constantly put himself at risk. In that case you have got to at least keep your options open. I say if he is still average with tendencies of the Vick, then you bring in another QB via the draft, FA or teleportation to at least compete with him. Half the reason we had to take it up the ass on the trade in the first place is because we didnt even have a viable option in the wings behind Rex Grossman. We made the move out of desperation. And part of the reason was because the owner felt the fan base slipping. And the panic move is to continue down the road believing that RG3 will finally become something he has shown little signs of becoming while ultimately never being able to settle on what the team should be.

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins lose 29-26 to Vikings: 10 thoughts and observations

some observations from the game

look at some of what Rg3 did well and how he helped morris

 

[skinsdad62]

My point is pocket passer can and have learned to get around the INT thing and improve their game. Not many running QBs have been known to get over their tendency to hold onto the ball too long and take sacks because of it. And very few have learned to become pocket passers either. And again Im not even saying for sure that Kirk is or could be the answer. I am saying that the odds are greater that RG3 isnt.




Please show us a reason (besides what he did two years ago in a offense predicated off of the read option) that says it shouldnt be considered??

steve young and randall cunningham are 2 that have the guy has started 3 games in grudens offense , 3 perhaps he should get some more time? just like KC should get more time as well ?

and again the read option was run less then 10% in any year you want to point out shark as i have posted on numerous occasions on this site

the common theme this year and last year is his health i am more worried about that then whether we can find an offense he can play in

 

[Sharkinva]

steve young and randall cunningham are 2 that have the guy has started 3 games in grudens offense , 3 perhaps he should get some more time? just like KC should get more time as well ?

and again the read option was run less then 10% in any year you want to point out shark as i have posted on numerous occasions on this site

the common theme this year and last year is his health i am more worried about that then whether we can find an offense he can play in

Who cares if it was actually run only 10% of the time. Would you disagree that when we dont present it and try and run a more traditional offense, RG3 becomes average bob?? And if he isnt or wasnt healthy enough to play, then he shouldnt be on the field. As far as Grudens offnse vs Shanahans offense, neither system is the reason he holds onto the ball too long. Thats on him and how he plays the position. We saw last year that as a pocket passer he struggled to make reads and get rid of the ball quickly. Ands we are seeing that again this year. The read option is only enforcing this trait in him in my opinion. We want him to get away from those habits to preserve his health, yet we constantly fall back on that crutch then wince every time he gets rolled up by a DT because he in fact still had the ball in his hands. Talk about irony.

 

[mad4comp]

let me get this straight here , you hold Rg3 for 3-12 but give colt a pass for 7-15 ?

Looks like you got it all twisted... Please show me where I gave colt a pass for 7-15?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I am just amazed at some of the replies on this forum. Let me get this straight - RG3 is currently as good as he can be in his return. He can't use rust, game day shape, etc as an excuse because he has watched film all this time, McCoy didn't play for a few years and blah, blah, blah, blah. It is all an excuse for RG3 & he has no potential to get better this season. Maybe some of you should get together with Brit McHenry and form an RG3 haters club.

Also - apparently RG3 is at least 90% responsible for the loss yesterday. Forget the defense that basically disappeared during the 2nd half & allowed the Vikings offense to do whatever they liked. Somehow RG3 was also responsible for that. I also didn't realize that Cousins isn't getting a fair shake & can fix his issues while this will be virtually impossible for RG3. I also just learned that a missed pass late in the game is somehow considered a turnover - what? OK - thanks for the lessons.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Looks like you got it all twisted... Please show me where I gave colt a pass for 7-15?

NP - perhaps we have this all wrong. Please tell us how you would specifically address the QB issue both for the rest of the season and next season.

BTW - again - most of us here are critical of RG3 and basically support the team and many of us - including me - won't have an issue if they decide to go in another direction moving forward. Why do you, Shark & others always have to misrepresent that fact & call us "hanging on RG3's sack" or other similar nonsense? I am just trying to be objective while still cheering for whoever is on the field for the Skins at any given time. Oh well - if people don't like it - so be it.

 

[mad4comp]

We all get it that he needs to improve his pocket presence.

No obviously you don't, because much like last year, he's doing the same shit again this year but the RG3 excuse train keeps rolling.

You are simply beating the same old drum at this point. You should also understand that he gives us a whole lot more in other areas than both Colt and Kirk do.

When a QB commits the same mistakes game in and game out for two years, I'll keep beating the same drum. You should also understand that Colt/Kirk give us a whole lot more in terms of QB play than RG3.

Please show me your plan to find a better QB this offseason.

Please show me why RG3 deserves another year if he continues to play like a kyle boller?

 

[mad4comp]

I am just amazed at some of the replies on this forum. Let me get this straight - RG3 is currently as good as he can be in his return. He can't use rust, game day shape, etc as an excuse because he has watched film all this time, McCoy didn't play for a few years and blah, blah, blah, blah. It is all an excuse for RG3 & he has no potential to get better this season. Maybe some of you should get together with Brit McHenry and form an RG3 haters club.

Also - apparently RG3 is at least 90% responsible for the loss yesterday. Forget the defense that basically disappeared during the 2nd half & allowed the Vikings offense to do whatever they liked. Somehow RG3 was also responsible for that. I also didn't realize that Cousins isn't getting a fair shake & can fix his issues while this will be virtually impossible for RG3. I also just learned that a missed pass late in the game is somehow considered a turnover - what? OK - thanks for the lessons.

Oh god, this same ol' rhetoric. No one said it was all his fault, but don't make excuses for RG3 when he was part of the problem. And what you saw there wasn't rust, it was the same ol' shit from last year, zero ability to read a defense, can't get rid of the ball, taking sacks, can't get past the first read etc... That's not rust, it's called lack of skill.

And about responsibility for yesterday's game, He gave up a INT before the end of the half in our own territory that led to 7 points and a momentum shift that the team couldn't win back. He then had a chance to win the game and came up short... taking a sack and turning the ball over on downs. So don't act like it wasn't his fault, because it was. Was the defense bad? Absolutely, but at the end of the day he was given a shot to win/tie, and he failed. End of Story. Same shit applies to Kirk in the Eagles game.

 

[skinsdad62]

Alfred Morris 14-yard touchdown - Hail 22

i guess you missed his impact here

i also saw that on 18 pass attempts at least he didnt hold the ball to long and made a good read

again he holds the ball too long soon enough he will learn what he needs to do

and again m4comp , what is your plan for a new qb . you have been asked and you have dodged it

 

[mad4comp]

NP - perhaps we have this all wrong. Please tell us how you would specifically address the QB issue both for the rest of the season and next season.

Doesn't matter, but I can tell you RG3 is he doesn't improve is not going to be here, nor should he be given the chance if we don't see massive improvements from now until the end of the season.

BTW - again - most of us here are critical of RG3 and basically support the team and many of us - including me - won't have an issue if they decide to go in another direction moving forward. Why do you, Shark & others always have to misrepresent that fact & call us "hanging on RG3's sack" or other similar nonsense? I am just trying to be objective while still cheering for whoever is on the field for the Skins at any given time. Oh well - if people don't like it - so be it.

Calling people who don't agree with your point of view Cowboy fans or Longhorn fans is not being objective, it's childish.

 

[Sharkinva]

I am just amazed at some of the replies on this forum. Let me get this straight - RG3 is currently as good as he can be in his return. He can't use rust, game day shape, etc as an excuse because he has watched film all this time, McCoy didn't play for a few years and blah, blah, blah, blah. It is all an excuse for RG3 & he has no potential to get better this season. Maybe some of you should get together with Brit McHenry and form an RG3 haters club.

Also - apparently RG3 is at least 90% responsible for the loss yesterday. Forget the defense that basically disappeared during the 2nd half & allowed the Vikings offense to do whatever they liked. Somehow RG3 was also responsible for that. I also didn't realize that Cousins isn't getting a fair shake & can fix his issues while this will be virtually impossible for RG3. I also just learned that a missed pass late in the game is somehow considered a turnover - what? OK - thanks for the lessons.

Since half of this is addressed to me, I'll bite. If you go four downs and dont get a first, is it not considered a turnover by downs?? Is it a tracked stat?? Nope. Is it called a turn over by downs?? Yes. Did RG3 in fact tuirn the ball over by downs by missing an open WR?? YES he did.

Can RG3 improve?? Sure he can. Is he likely to break his habits of holding to the ball too log?? Probably not. Is Cousins the answer?? Also probably not. But does he have to be in order for us to even consider looking in another direction??/ Not at all. As far as culpability for the loss, no one is saying Rg3 is 90% the cause. But he damn sure takes more than 10% as well.


No again I ask, why does it have to be hating to expect a guy to actually live up to expectations and call him on it when he fails to do so??


Once more when does he become the reason we won games instead of the victim when we lost them??

 

[skinsdad62]

Oh god, this same ol' rhetoric. No one said it was all his fault, but don't make excuses for RG3 when he was part of the problem. And what you saw there wasn't rust, it was the same ol' shit from last year, zero ability to read a defense, can't get rid of the ball, taking sacks, can't get past the first read etc... That's not rust, it's called lack of skill.

And about responsibility for yesterday's game, He gave up a INT before the end of the half in our own territory that led to 7 points and a momentum shift that the team couldn't win back. He then had a chance to win the game and came up short... taking a sack and turning the ball over on downs. So don't act like it wasn't his fault, because it was. Was the defense bad? Absolutely, but at the end of the day he was given a shot to win/tie, and he failed. End of Story. Same shit applies to Kirk in the Eagles game.

you are fucking amazing .

we got the lead back on several occasions AFTER the INT

and yeah you and everyone else has focused on every little thing he did wrong and if there is an answer for it its an excuse

he put us in the lead at the beginning of the game , he overcame the INT , and got us the lead back 2 times after that

and you barely utter any criticism of the defense at all

you been on here in multiple threads bashing Rg3 and your complaints of the defense no where near equal to the bitching you are doing about RG3

Rg3 had a chance to win the game but failed . he made a horrible throw on the int and the one at the end of the game . he held the ball too long on some sacks (perhaps as many as 4) yet you forget how many times he sidestepped the rush and made plays . you forget the td strike to djax , the 2 bombs he hit him with

you and others act like he was huck a buck chuck out there

if the defense didnt play lights out vs dallas mccoy would be a footnote

 

[skinsdad62]

The Redskins’ defense, which played exceptional in Dallas, was back at its maddening worst. So many pivotal plays allowed to a rookie quarterback of an offense that had been struggling before the game. In the final quarter, the Vikings converted all four of their third downs (before the final drive when they ran on third-and-4 to kill the clock). It became too easy for them.
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Alfred Morris' strong running was a bright spot for the Redskins on Sunday.
I know people want the coaches to be blamed and ripped and when a group fails it’s on all of them. The thing I don’t like is the breakdowns that lead to big plays. The Vikings could have had a couple more big plays, but quarterback Teddy Bridgewater missed open receivers -- one time by 10 yards with no defender within 20. In some cases the Vikings hit them with good routes versus the right look, but in other cases it comes down to knowing and trusting what the other guy will do in a certain coverage. But the Redskins have corners at times carrying their receiver too far inside in a Cover 3 and an open lane develops on the outside. If the secondary isn’t on that so-called same page, this is what happens. I’ll have more on this in a post Monday.
If the defense doesn’t blow it in the second half, we’d be talking about a third straight game where all three phases did a solid job -- and how this team was starting to look pretty good and how Robert Griffin III showed some rust, but made enough big plays to lead a win. Yes, the offense could have driven down to either tie the game or take the lead late. Yes, the turnover was a killer right before halftime. But you know why? Because the defense failed to cause any turnovers. But the special teams was solid, the offense scored 26 points, which should be good enough to win.
After having covered many teams over the years, I can say this is one that is in need of strong leadership. Is that why the Redskins lost Sunday? Wouldn’t say that, but I do think it’s something they need to add for 2015. They have some fine leaders and others who want to lead, but overall they need one or two strong take-charge guys.
Griffin’s impact on the run game was evident at times, without a doubt. He alone can’t solve everything, though, and there were still some issues in part because of defensive penetration. It’s a problem. But Alfred Morris gained 14 yards on a zone-read carry in part because the backside linebacker had to hold his ground at the snap, respecting Griffin’s ability to run. That enabled a lineman to seal him and Morris to run through the alley. I know they ran it with Colt McCoy, but there was a bigger impact with Griffin.
There were other times when Griffin’s presence caused the backside defensive end or linebacker to play contain. And that, again, created a cutback lane for Morris. For a while it looked like 2012 the way both players looked. “Those two were running like it was their rookie year all over again,” tight end Niles Paul said. “It gives everyone an opportunity for big plays … Robert brings a whole different aspect to the game. It was good having him out there again.”
That’s why, as I wrote in an earlier post, the focus for Griffin is about his performance and not about winning over the locker room. Doing the former takes care of the latter. Anyone who ever played a team sport worked with guys they didn’t like. But if they performed, it didn’t matter. I couldn’t care less if he gets along with his receivers -- unless it’s because they think he can’t play. But there’s an easy way to refute it: Play well. Russell Wilson does not sound universally beloved in Seattle’s locker room.
Griffin needs to work on his pocket presence and taking avoidable sacks. It’s easy to second guess a guy in the pocket because their decisions must be made ultra-quick. But there were a couple times Griffin stepped up into pressure, as he did on the last drive when he was sacked on second-and-16. Had he slid a little to his left instead of moving up, he could have dumped it to running back Roy Helu. Maybe not for a first down, but it would have gained eight or so -- and avoided a third-and-horrible. Just something where Griffin’s game must mature.
I loved Morris’ 14-yard touchdown run. That was not courtesy of a zone read, but it was a good play call. The Redskins had three receivers on the right and the Vikings were in man coverage. The inside receiver reacted as if it were a bubble screen and the man covering him raced up. That cleared the outside for Morris to bounce -- and the inside linebacker froze because of how he pressed the hole.
The Vikings did a better job using Jerick McKinnon on cutback runs in the second half. Sometimes they would get the linebacker to that side to cover in the slot, opening a better alley for McKinnon. Other times the zone read opened up lanes. For what it’s worth, if the Redskins are in base coverage and they split two receivers to a side, the outside linebacker almost always has to move over. As linebacker Ryan Kerrigan said, they could stay inside, “but then the [inside] receiver is vacated. Yeah, we’d stop the zone read but you’re leaving the receiver wide open.”
RG III flashes his talent, but also his flaws
November, 2, 2014
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By John Keim | ESPN.com

here is what an objective analysis looks like . this isnt what i am getting from some of you

 

[mad4comp]

you are fucking amazing .

we got the lead back on several occasions AFTER the INT

and yeah you and everyone else has focused on every little thing he did wrong and if there is an answer for it its an excuse

he put us in the lead at the beginning of the game , he overcame the INT , and got us the lead back 2 times after that

and you barely utter any criticism of the defense at all

you been on here in multiple threads bashing Rg3 and your complaints of the defense no where near equal to the bitching you are doing about RG3

Rg3 had a chance to win the game but failed . he made a horrible throw on the int and the one at the end of the game . he held the ball too long on some sacks (perhaps as many as 4) yet you forget how many times he sidestepped the rush and made plays . you forget the td strike to djax , the 2 bombs he hit him with

you and others act like he was huck a buck chuck out there

if the defense didnt play lights out vs dallas mccoy would be a footnote

You are fucking amazing.

read what I said, after that turnover the momentum of the game turned... and it never came back our way. Yea we may have gotten the lead, but even you can't deny that play changed the outlook of the game.

"and you barely utter any criticism of the defense at all" -Read the title of the thread genius.

 

[skinsdad62]

You are fucking amazing.

read what I said, after that turnover the momentum of the game turned... and it never came back our way. Yea we may have gotten the lead, but even you can't deny that play changed the outlook of the game.

"and you barely utter any criticism of the defense at all" -Read the title of the thread genius.

and again mad4comp i have seen multiple threads and all of them have you bashing Rg3 and making him solely responsible for the loss
want to talk , give me your plan for getting a new qb and stop dodging it

and i did read what you said and its BS as i illustrated

 

[mad4comp]

and again mad4comp i have seen multiple threads and all of them have you bashing Rg3 and making him solely responsible for the loss

You see only what you want to see.

want to talk , give me your plan for getting a new qb and stop dodging it

I'm not dodging anything... So because I don't think RG3 is the answer, that I must have the backup plan all ready to go? Don't be retarded. You've been bashing this defense over and over again... where's your plan for an upgraded defense next year?

and i did read what you said and its BS as i illustrated

So lets see... you asked me to give you a back up plan for the QB... then you said I only bash RG3 in every thread... then you post an entire BSPN article...

What exactly have you illustrated? Nothing so far. But keep telling yourself that, hope it makes you sleep better at night.

 

[Sharkinva]

Robert Griffin III works hard to get on field; will he do same to learn to play quarterback? - The Washington Post


What a hater.

 

[skinsdad62]

You see only what you want to see.



I'm not dodging anything... So because I don't think RG3 is the answer, that I must have the backup plan all ready to go? Don't be retarded. You've been bashing this defense over and over again... where's your plan for an upgraded defense next year?



So lets see... you asked me to give you a back up plan for the QB... then you said I only bash RG3 in every thread... then you post an entire BSPN article...

What exactly have you illustrated? Nothing so far. But keep telling yourself that, hope it makes you sleep better at night.

i have put out my plan for the team

build the LOS on both sides of the ball is the 1st thing . now you go scroll through the threads and find it and read it

the BSPN came from john kiem and most posters on this board respect his opinion and if you read it it laid out the whole reason for the loss

and what did i illustrate that you are all about bashing the qb and very little in the way of knocking the defense

its there in text

 

[martinez]

i didnt watch the game but from what ive gathered the coaches, offense, defense, everybody suck in the game. what ive also learned is arguing about our quarterbacks is pointless, some people will always be higher on others, some people will be overly drastic with their opinions and some people just plain hate some qbs so im just gonna stay out of it.