RG3 Sucks

[mad4comp]

LOL. Is either thing listed above incorrect? I have stated repeatedly that it is put up or shut up time for RG3. How is that making excuses? He either corrects his mistakes or moves on. If you were an actual Redskin fan you would hope for the best for anyone who plays for the team & not hope & pray that he fails. I have also repeatedly stated that I root for the Redskins period - when players leave the team that is when I stop rooting for them. However - don't let me get in the way of you being an RG3 hater.

Me somehow thinks that you are a Cowboys fan in disguise. Whatever.

So apparently if you don't like Griffin, you're a cowboys fan. Got it.

 

[mad4comp]

He will be cheering - for the Cowboys!

Awww... cute, so stuck on this notion that i'm a cowboys fan, you had to say it twice.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So apparently if you don't like Griffin, you're a cowboys fan. Got it.

No - but I thought that the idea was that you root for whoever is on the field at the time for the Redskins. Trust me - earlier in the year I rooted like hell for both Cousins & McCoy. As I mentioned earlier - when any of these 3 QBs are either cut or traded I will stop rooting for any of them.

Is that so difficult to understand?

 

[mad4comp]

No - but I thought that the idea was that you root for whoever is on the field at the time for the Redskins. Trust me - earlier in the year I rooted like hell for both Cousins & McCoy. As I mentioned earlier - when any of these 3 QBs are either cut or traded I will stop rooting for any of them.

Is that so difficult to understand?

And never criticize them, otherwise you're a Cowboys fan right?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

A lot of folks here & elsewhere exposing themselves & their lack of football knowledge. It is ridiculous to think that the Redskins problems begin & end at the QB position. Yesterday's game should have made that very obvious. Sure RG3 made some mistakes - as well as making some good plays. However - that loss was mainly a product of poor defense in the second half. Consider the fact that the defense gave up less pts on Mon. & caused two more turnovers while generating much more pressure.

Do you honestly believe that the difference between the two games was primarily due to QB play? Please.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And never criticize them, otherwise you're a Cowboys fan right?

Criticizing is fine. However - you take it to a new level. You want to blast him every way possible & appear to want him to fail. You also show yourself to be clueless if you actually believe that McCoy is the answer for this team at QB. You also seem to make every effort to any Redskins fan who doesn't totally badmouth RG3 at every opportunity. Also - the tired refrain of Snyder selling the team is getting old. Get over it - it ain't happening - deal with it.

I am not stating that anyone else who acts in this way is a Boys fan. I am only saying that you are not a Redskins fan (or if so you are a terrible one). That is all.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

And if he continues to hold onto the ball, get sacked, choke, you have no right to make excuses and you say you were wrong and I was right... deal?

I'll make a deal at the end of next year and not before because unlike many here I don't see what the rush is. Besides not sure we can qualify what is bad play and what is not. Not every sack is the QBs fault yet you will maintain it was. So there's no way to do this bet much as I would like to.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Bottom line. Did he suck no. Was he responsible for the two turnovers that ultimately decided the game?? Mostly. Would the defense playing better have made them a non issue?? Probably. We got issues all over as usual. The defense is still a huge issue, so to is the QB despite his statistically well played game.

Where are you coming up with 2 turnovers?

 

[Sharkinva]

Where are you coming up with 2 turnovers?

He threw a pick. And the last offensive play we had is called a turn over on downs. Thus we turned the ball over twice technically. And there is no way you are going to blame the WR or the defense for him missing a wide open WR on that last throw are you??

My baad, it was the second to last offensive play we had. Forgot the hail mary to the third row of the side lines.

 

[mad4comp]

Criticizing is fine.

Apparently not. Since that makes me a Cowboys fan.

However - you take it to a new level. You want to blast him every way possible & appear to want him to fail.

I call it like I see it. Hes not a good pocket passer. And this whole "appear to want him to fail" is your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. Frankly I'd be ecstatic if he had shown some progress in becoming a better QB, but he has not. He had all of last year, preseason, first game, plus tons of time to study tape and practice, yet he's still as horrid as he was last year.

You also show yourself to be clueless if you actually believe that McCoy is the answer for this team at QB.

You also show yourself to be clueless if you actually believe that RG3 is the answer for this team at QB.. See how generalizations work? And where did I say McCoy was the answer? (incoming deflection from SoCalWizFan)

You also seem to make every effort to any Redskins fan who doesn't totally badmouth RG3 at every opportunity. Also - the tired refrain of Snyder selling the team is getting old. Get over it - it ain't happening - deal with it.

Sorry, but if the truth hurts, it hurts, nothing much I can do about that. Getting tired of the excuse train for RG3.. he looks just as bad as he looked last year with no improvement.

Holds onto the ball forever
First read not there? run/panic/get sacked
Still can't read defenses.
Runs right into the pressure
Still uncomfortable in the pocket
Still unclutch.
And on top of this, the one aspect of his game he was good at (running), is not there anymore.

I am not stating that anyone else who acts in this way is a Boys fan. I am only saying that you are not a Redskins fan (or if so you are a terrible one). That is all.

Actually you kinda are. So which one is it, am I a cowboys fan or a terrible redskins fan?

 

[mad4comp]

I'll make a deal at the end of next year and not before because unlike many here I don't see what the rush is. Besides not sure we can qualify what is bad play and what is not. Not every sack is the QBs fault yet you will maintain it was. So there's no way to do this bet much as I would like to.

End of next year... are you insane? He's 3-12 in his last 15 games... if he doesn't shown marked improvement by the end of this year, you cut your losses.

And no one said every sack is the QB's fault, and no I've never said that, you're just making shit up. But running right into the pass rush multiple times/standing still in the pocket with no awareness will lead to a lot of sacks. Just watch Colt play from last week or Cousins before that, watch the way the ball comes out almost immediately at the 2-3 second mark after the ball is snapped... and watch them "Feel" around for pressure and move accordingly in the pocket. Notice how the OL wasn't a problem the last couple of weeks, yet somehow the OL looked like shit this week? Shitty QB play will do that to an O-line.

 

[skinsdad62]

End of next year... are you insane? He's 3-12 in his last 15 games... if he doesn't shown marked improvement by the end of this year, you cut your losses.

And no one said every sack is the QB's fault, and no I've never said that, you're just making shit up. But running right into the pass rush multiple times/standing still in the pocket with no awareness will lead to a lot of sacks. Just watch Colt play from last week or Cousins before that, watch the way the ball comes out almost immediately at the 2-3 second mark after the ball is snapped... and watch them "Feel" around for pressure and move accordingly in the pocket. Notice how the OL wasn't a problem the last couple of weeks, yet somehow the OL looked like shit this week? Shitty QB play will do that to an O-line.

let me get this straight here , you hold Rg3 for 3-12 but give colt a pass for 7-15 ?

 

[KickSaveDave]

My baad, it was the second to last offensive play we had. Forgot the hail mary to the third row of the side lines.

That wasn't RGIII, I believe that was Jason Campbell who threw that hail mary.

 

[Sharkinva]

That wasn't RGIII, I believe that was Jason Campbell who threw that hail mary.

Well it looked like him. And the same excuses are made only magnified to a power of about 4 draft picks.

 

[skinsdad62]

I gotta tell ya, I love Ryan Kerrigan, but he was MIA yesterday. I almost wonder if he was injured.

it was because rak is gone

 

[skinsdad62]

And its statements like this that irk me. We keep hearing that the line needs to pass block better. But the FACT is, both Cousins and McCoy have been faster and more correct with their reads and get the ball out faster than Griffin. He took five sacks yesterday and ducked out of two more simply because he holds onto the ball too long and doesnt make quick decisions. Granted Cousins did not alway make the correct decision, but there is almost no way to ignore the fact that Griffin has taken more sacks in two games than Cousins has taken in six without asking what are they doing differently. O-lines capable of sustaining 7-10 second blocks consistently are extremely rare after all.

yeah Rg3 takes sacks and KC throws ints . what is your point ? both guys have flaws in their games and it surfaces differently

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

End of next year... are you insane? He's 3-12 in his last 15 games... if he doesn't shown marked improvement by the end of this year, you cut your losses.

And no one said every sack is the QB's fault, and no I've never said that, you're just making shit up. But running right into the pass rush multiple times/standing still in the pocket with no awareness will lead to a lot of sacks. Just watch Colt play from last week or Cousins before that, watch the way the ball comes out almost immediately at the 2-3 second mark after the ball is snapped... and watch them "Feel" around for pressure and move accordingly in the pocket. Notice how the OL wasn't a problem the last couple of weeks, yet somehow the OL looked like shit this week? Shitty QB play will do that to an O-line.

We all get it that he needs to improve his pocket presence. You are simply beating the same old drum at this point. You should also understand that he gives us a whole lot more in other areas than both Colt and Kirk do.

Please show me your plan to find a better QB this offseason.

 

[Sharkinva]

yeah Rg3 takes sacks and KC throws ints . what is your point ? both guys have flaws in their games and it surfaces differently

My point is pocket passer can and have learned to get around the INT thing and improve their game. Not many running QBs have been known to get over their tendency to hold onto the ball too long and take sacks because of it. And very few have learned to become pocket passers either. And again Im not even saying for sure that Kirk is or could be the answer. I am saying that the odds are greater that RG3 isnt.

We all get it that he needs to improve his pocket presence. You are simply beating the same old drum at this point. You should also understand that he gives us a whole lot more in other areas than both Colt and Kirk do.

Please show me your plan to find a better QB this offseason.

Please show us a reason (besides what he did two years ago in a offense predicated off of the read option) that says it shouldnt be considered??

 

[skinsdad62]

We all get it that he needs to improve his pocket presence. You are simply beating the same old drum at this point. You should also understand that he gives us a whole lot more in other areas than both Colt and Kirk do.

Please show me your plan to find a better QB this offseason.

well here is what could be available at the pro level

sam bradford he has an injury and a large contract we have a shot at him

cutler , he has failed at chicago and could have worn out his welcome

matt ryan , falcons are in the toilet maybe they start over

brian hoyer , manzell in the wings

and of course the draft

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

My point is pocket passer can and have learned to get around the INT thing and improve their game. Not many running QBs have been known to get over their tendency to hold onto the ball too long and take sacks because of it. And very few have learned to become pocket passers either. And again Im not even saying for sure that Kirk is or could be the answer. I am saying that the odds are greater that RG3 isnt.




Please show us a reason (besides what he did two years ago in a offense predicated off of the read option) that says it shouldnt be considered??

Because there is no viable better option. Uless you plan on beating the odds in the draft, and good luck with that, or you plan on having Kirk Cousins having a come to Jesus moment and suddenly turning into Ben Rothlisberger, you don't panic and ride this train until the contract expires. That would be the grown up thing to do IMO. The panic move is to pull the plug too early and run the risk of some other team getting a good QB when there is no viable alternative.