RG3 Sucks

[SoCalWizFan]

I gotta tell ya, I love Ryan Kerrigan, but he was MIA yesterday. I almost wonder if he was injured.

He did have an injury - not sure if it was a factor. Entire defense is accountable. Also - just like with the offense you have to give credit to the Vikings. They were picking up blitzes & Bridgewater was brilliant at times during the 2nd half.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agree that the line must pass block better & RG3 must also make adjustments. However - you also have to consider that they were playing against one of the most relentless pass rushes in the NFL.

And its statements like this that irk me. We keep hearing that the line needs to pass block better. But the FACT is, both Cousins and McCoy have been faster and more correct with their reads and get the ball out faster than Griffin. He took five sacks yesterday and ducked out of two more simply because he holds onto the ball too long and doesnt make quick decisions. Granted Cousins did not alway make the correct decision, but there is almost no way to ignore the fact that Griffin has taken more sacks in two games than Cousins has taken in six without asking what are they doing differently. O-lines capable of sustaining 7-10 second blocks consistently are extremely rare after all.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And its statements like this that irk me. We keep hearing that the line needs to pass block better. But the FACT is, both Cousins and McCoy have been faster and more correct with their reads and get the ball out faster than Griffin. He took five sacks yesterday and ducked out of two more simply because he holds onto the ball too long and doesnt make quick decisions. Granted Cousins did not alway make the correct decision, but there is almost no way to ignore the fact that Griffin has taken more sacks in two games than Cousins has taken in six without asking what are they doing differently. O-lines capable of sustaining 7-10 second blocks consistently are extremely rare after all.

Huh? I stated that RG3 needed to make adjustments & in several other posts have stated that RG3 needed to share the blame. How does this make my comment about the Vikings pass rush invalid?

Ok - so basically the opponent has nothing to do with the outcome? OK. I agree that RG3 holds onto the ball too long - we will see if he can change that moving forward. Like I said - if he still has major issues with this & other areas find another QB next season. I have no problem with that. However - I also believe that neither Cousins or McCoy is the answer. For next season it will either be RG3 or someone not currently on the roster.

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[Sharkinva]

Huh? I stated that RG3 needed to make adjustments & in several other posts have stated that RG3 needed to share the blame. How does this make my comment about the Vikings pass rush invalid?

Ok - so basically the opponent has nothing to do with the outcome? OK. I agree that RG3 holds onto the ball too long - we will see if he can change that moving forward. Like I said - if he still has major issues with this & other areas find another QB next season. I have no problem with that. However - I also believe that neither Cousins or McCoy is the answer. For next season it will either be RG3 or someone not currently on the roster.

HTTR

I agree that McCoy likely isnt the answer. As for Cousins, I have said all along that if almost a complete season is not enough to say that Griffin has not grasped the skills needed to be a complete QB, then 5-8 games also is not enough to proclaim Cousins as a finished product either. But in the long run I dont think any of them is the answer. And the reason I say that is because McCoy is a retread and not what the owner or the fan base wants. cousins would have to perform at a Brady like level to take the job. And Griffin has not done anything to change what I originally feared we would get from him. that being a non traditional QB who will always have you worried on if he will survive the game much less the season. I know I cant be the only one who thought he was about to get his other knee snapped on one of those sacks yesterday. And i believe that the style of play that best fits him is also the style of play that will lead to constant injuries going forward.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree that McCoy likely isnt the answer. As for Cousins, I have said all along that if almost a complete season is not enough to say that Griffin has not grasped the skills needed to be a complete QB, then 5-8 games also is not enough to proclaim Cousins as a finished product either. But in the long run I dont think any of them is the answer. And the reason I say that is because McCoy is a retread and not what the owner or the fan base wants. cousins would have to perform at a Brady like level to take the job. And Griffin has not done anything to change what I originally feared we would get from him. that being a non traditional QB who will always have you worried on if he will survive the game much less the season. I know I cant be the only one who thought he was about to get his other knee snapped on one of those sacks yesterday. And i believe that the style of play that best fits him is also the style of play that will lead to constant injuries going forward.

Maybe. IMO McCoy isn't the answer since their primary weapon (Jackson) really needs to have someone with a strong arm. Again - IMO - Cousins can't be trusted - just don't see him going 4-5 games in a row without major turnovers possibly ever. RG3? Who knows - this might be his last audition. A big part will be him learning to change things (like holding on to the ball too long) simply for his own survival. He has shown some strides in learning - just not enough. We will see.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Actually i was hoping for the win because it would have been better for the TEAM. Bottom line is we lost. And while it wasnt his fault, he does maintain some of the blame for the loss no matter how you try and spin it. We lost by three points, the defense was pitching a shutout until a pick that directly lead to the Vikings getting on the board. So I will simply ask you the same question I posted to others and got the run around..../


When exactly do we get to the point where we can start saying RG3 was the reason we WON a game instead of simply making the observation that he was not the reason we lost??

I think that just like the opener we should all agree with this assessment. He didn't suck, he wasn't good, he was up and down and played a role in the loss but also played well enough for us to win with a decent defensive effort. If they go in for points instead of giving up that pick at the end of the half its a totally different game. By the same token the defense offered little resistance after the turnover as they allowed the Vikes to walk right in.

Still I saw enough good, especially the offense they are now running, to be encouraged.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Huh? I stated that RG3 needed to make adjustments & in several other posts have stated that RG3 needed to share the blame. How does this make my comment about the Vikings pass rush invalid?

Ok - so basically the opponent has nothing to do with the outcome? OK. I agree that RG3 holds onto the ball too long - we will see if he can change that moving forward. Like I said - if he still has major issues with this & other areas find another QB next season. I have no problem with that. However - I also believe that neither Cousins or McCoy is the answer. For next season it will either be RG3 or someone not currently on the roster.

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Exactly. There isn't a poster here who would disagree with the idea that Griff holds the ball too long. That's obvious. But as I've been saying all morning they pay the other guys too and to not recognize that the Vikes have the top pass rush in the league when comparing the sack figures of the QBs is an unfair comparison. It's like comparing a guy's AAA batting average with the batting average of a guy in Majors. The opponent makes a difference.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Mixed report card for Griff to me. Personally, I wanted to wait until after the bye to see him. Thought this was the wrong game strategically to have him return, regardless of health.

Especially given how the Vikes were second in the league with sacks going into this game and the one thing we did know was that Griff has a propensity to hold onto the ball too long trying to extend plays.

I was pleased not to see too much rust. Liked the accuracy of some deep balls. Encouraged by some elusive moves and runs he made.

But cringed when I saw his right knee get impacted on that 1 sack. Cursed when he held the ball too long. Groaned when he threw that INT. And was bewildered when he looked gassed at the end of the game. And threw that weak ass pass that ended all hope.

So a B for me on overall performance.

Still think we improve down the stretch and get some more wins. I predicted 6 wins this season and still think that's about where we end up.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

B sounds a bit high given your post IMO. I give him a B-. But again he came out healthy despite absorbing a couple of huge hits and showed the ability to slide.

 

[sublime4eva]

I gotta tell ya, I love Ryan Kerrigan, but he was MIA yesterday. I almost wonder if he was injured.

Kilil was blocking him, that's where, that dude is a stud.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

B sounds a bit high given your post IMO. I give him a B-. But again he came out healthy despite absorbing a couple of huge hits and showed the ability to slide.

Nah, I just spent more time listing the cons. I'm encouraged. I didn't mention that I saw the Defense as the reason we lost.

 

[mad4comp]

I'm sure he knows alot more about McCoy then you do since he follows big 12 football. ..and yes you ought to put the Longhorns logo up on your avatar too.

I'm sure that imaginary friend doesn't exist and you made him up to prove an invalid point. And you're actually accusing me of being a Longhorn fan because I think McCoy deserved a shot yesterday and not Griffin? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Might wanna put the Baylor logo up under your name.

 

[mad4comp]

Gruden sickened by loss, defensive performance

Here hard to argue when the head coach says the defense blew the game.
"I rest my case"

Looks like someone didn't listen to the entire interview.. He also blamed RG3.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Looks like someone didn't listen to the entire interview.. He also blamed RG3.

NP - there is blame to go around. However - there were also some good plays by several of the Redskins. Contrary to the OP - it was mixed results for RG3. This is his first game back. He needs to correct some flaws, but I disagree that he sucked. Oh well - keep hating. Better yet - go root for another team.

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[mad4comp]

NP - there is blame to go around. However - there were also some good plays by several of the Redskins. Contrary to the OP - it was mixed results for RG3. This is his first game back. He needs to correct some flaws, but I disagree that he sucked. Oh well - keep hating. Better yet - go root for another team.

HTTR

Lets add two more excuses to the RG3 excuse train.

1.) Needs to correct some flaws
2.) First game back.

Keep hanging onto RG3's jock while he stinks up the joint. Do me a favor, when he leaves (which is likely to happen because he's not a good QB), hang onto his jock strap on the way out and root for his new team. He's gonna need someone to make excuses for him on his new team as well.

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[Darrell Green Fan]

Lets add two more excuses to the RG3 excuse train.

1.) Needs to correct some flaws
2.) First game back.

Keep hanging onto RG3's jock while he stinks up the joint. Do me a favor, when he leaves (which is likely to happen because he's not a good QB), hang onto his jock strap on the way out and root for his new team. He's gonna need someone to make excuses for him on his new team as well.

HTTR

And if he returns to greatness you have no right to cheer. Just sit there and shut up.

 

[Sharkinva]

NP - there is blame to go around. However - there were also some good plays by several of the Redskins. Contrary to the OP - it was mixed results for RG3. This is his first game back. He needs to correct some flaws, but I disagree that he sucked. Oh well - keep hating. Better yet - go root for another team.

HTTR

Bottom line. Did he suck no. Was he responsible for the two turnovers that ultimately decided the game?? Mostly. Would the defense playing better have made them a non issue?? Probably. We got issues all over as usual. The defense is still a huge issue, so to is the QB despite his statistically well played game.

 

[mad4comp]

And if he returns to greatness you have no right to cheer. Just sit there and shut up.

And if he continues to hold onto the ball, get sacked, choke, you have no right to make excuses and you say you were wrong and I was right... deal?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Lets add two more excuses to the RG3 excuse train.

1.) Needs to correct some flaws
2.) First game back.

Keep hanging onto RG3's jock while he stinks up the joint. Do me a favor, when he leaves (which is likely to happen because he's not a good QB), hang onto his jock strap on the way out and root for his new team. He's gonna need someone to make excuses for him on his new team as well.

HTTR

LOL. Is either thing listed above incorrect? I have stated repeatedly that it is put up or shut up time for RG3. How is that making excuses? He either corrects his mistakes or moves on. If you were an actual Redskin fan you would hope for the best for anyone who plays for the team & not hope & pray that he fails. I have also repeatedly stated that I root for the Redskins period - when players leave the team that is when I stop rooting for them. However - don't let me get in the way of you being an RG3 hater.

Me somehow thinks that you are a Cowboys fan in disguise. Whatever.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And if he returns to greatness you have no right to cheer. Just sit there and shut up.

He will be cheering - for the Cowboys!