RG3 Sucks

[TCB]

RG3 was sucking wind. I'm sure people saw he was gassed when he ran in the 4th quarter. His stamina will need to improve if he wants to be the dynamic playmaker that he was in 12.
I believe we had a better chance to win this game with McCoy, but if we are going to give RG3 the chance to prove if he is our franchise QB, I can semi understand starting him.

 

[sublime4eva]

I agree, RG3 didn't lose the game for us, but he didn't help. The interception pretty much gave up our momentum and we never got it back. And about the O-line... if Colt and Kirk can make it look above average and RG3 can't what does that say about RG3?

that wasn't even a pick, it hit the ground and was a horrible call. The defense collapsed in the 2nd half, what happened to our pass rush and secondary against the 29th ranked offense is the real question not what a QB who hadn't played in 6 weeks and still put up 26 pts did? Nice try blaming RGIII but this one is on the defense.

 

[sublime4eva]

Colt hadn't played in 3 years and came in and played better than RG3.

Keep the RG3 excuse train rolling.

Colt wouldn't have with that team on the field today, they were pathetic on the O-line and defense today, time to start developing our young talent and you're high if you think Colt McCoy should be our starter lol?

 

[sublime4eva]

Kev,


I agree if the D played better it would have ben a win. Then again if he had played better or been the "clutch" player some say he is, it would have been a win as well. In no way am I saying this loss is all on him. But I am putting notice out there that the whole he gives us the best chance to win comment is officially Bullshit.

So he's supposed to come in after not playing for 6 weeks and takes us down the field for a game winning drive? How about our damn defense making a stop against there awful offense in the 2nd half when it matters?

 

[sublime4eva]

Bitch bitch bitch blah blah blah.

Truth hurts doesn't it and the only bitching I'm hearing is coming from you same Griffin haters, Colt was cut from the Browns for a reason, he's a backup QB. Our defense blew this game today. Yes Griffin held onto the ball too long a few times but our Oline got whipped on several occasions too but we still put up 26 pts which should of been enough against there awful offense.

 

[sublime4eva]

Which would be what? I'll tell you why, it's because he got Patrick Ramsey'd by the Browns and suffered a major concussion...

Colt McCoy is not that great, you must be a damn longhorn fan...lol

 

[sublime4eva]

Wow...really? RG3 sucks? LOL Minny has a pretty good defense, and RG3 played well enough to win the game. Was he great today, no..but he was starting QB good.

I watched the game with one of my old friends who is a Viking fan today, and he couldn't believe how bad the Redskins defense looked in the second half. He kept asking "why aren't the Redskins blitzing Bridgwater like they did Monday night against the Cowboys?"...all I could say was "no clue bro", and ask for another beverage.

Cheers boys and girls, the loss wasn't on RG3. But if you think it was, then you have more issues than the team you root for does.

Exactly but we got some idiot know it alls on here. I wonder what damn game they're watching sometimes, I'll be honest in my opinions Griffin graded out about a B which I think is pretty good for a player coming off an injury and not playing for 6 weeks and good enough to win but our defense graded out as a D against the 29th ranked offense, that's the real story.

 

[sublime4eva]

Yea. McCoy was tearing the league apart before he got Patrick Ramsey'd.

You know anything about McCoy dude? I do because a good friend of mine is a Sooner fan and laughed when he heard we have McCoy, dude has a weak arm, yes he can run a little and can read progressions pretty well but he's also been known to be a crybaby and disruption in the locker room. He knows this is his last chance so he's not saying nothing which is smart, if he would of started today I would of backed the decision to rest Griffin one more game and who knows? I think we would of still lost if the defense played the same way but I'm sure you'll say he would of saved the day. The Vikings are ranked 4th in pass defense so I doubt McCoy would of fared much better but as for the defense against the 29th ranked offense they SUCKED

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'm going to try very hard not to take the bait on this thread by simply pointing out that even though Robert Griffin took 2 sacks he should not have he also avoided 2 that Colt takes. And this bullshit that the other QBs made this OL look better are not considering the fact that the Vikes have the top pass rush in the league. And they never faced JJ Watt who single handily took over the opener. Those are not excuses, they are facts.

But like most fans some here always want to blame their guys when their team loses and not even consider the fact that they pay the other guys too. And the Vikes pass rush is much much better than the Boys. That's not an opinion, that's not a theory, it's a fact.

 

[j_y19]

I'm going to try very hard not to take the bait on this thread by simply pointing out that even though Robert Griffin took 2 sacks he should not have he also avoided 2 that Colt takes. And this bullshit that the other QBs made this OL look better are not considering the fact that the Vikes have the top pass rush in the league. And they never faced JJ Watt who single handily took over the opener. Those are not excuses, they are facts.

But like most fans some here always want to blame their guys when their team loses and not even consider the fact that they pay the other guys too. And the Vikes pass rush is much much better than the Boys. That's not an opinion, that's not a theory, it's a fact.

DGF, you and I agree more than not. However, just as some posters want to blame RG3 for everything, you have to need to defend him if anything negative is said. The fact is that RG3's play contributed to the loss yesterday. It wasn't the only reason why we lost. His INT at the end of the half was a killer from a momentum perspective. He also did not play well from the pocket. Half of the sacks he took were on him. He is still staring down his first read and holding the ball way too long. Finally, that 4th down pass was inexcusable. An NFL QB has to make that pass, it wasn't hard, he just didn't set his feet. But this is what we get from a young QB that has been injured much of his career and is learning the position in this league.

Of course there were other reasons why we lost. The defense in the second half was atrocious. Haslett just called a terrible game. Once again he gives breathing room to a rookie, untested QB instead of applying the pressure full tilt.

Similarly, I think Gruden's play calling was very questionable at times. It was clear that Minnesota was going to bring the pressure right up the middle on passing downs. The pocket continued to collapse from the middle. Yet Gruden kept calling 5 step drop pocket passing plays. It boggled my mind.

This is not hating, this is stating fact. I think we have to stick with RG3 through thick or thin the rest of this season. We have to see if he can start to develop. If he doesn't show improvement over the next 7 games, we have a major issue to address this offseason.......again.

 

[mad4comp]

Colt McCoy is not that great, you must be a damn longhorn fan...lol

Damn you caught me... did that VT logo under my name give it away?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

DGF, you and I agree more than not. However, just as some posters want to blame RG3 for everything, you have to need to defend him if anything negative is said. The fact is that RG3's play contributed to the loss yesterday. It wasn't the only reason why we lost. His INT at the end of the half was a killer from a momentum perspective. He also did not play well from the pocket. Half of the sacks he took were on him. He is still staring down his first read and holding the ball way too long. Finally, that 4th down pass was inexcusable. An NFL QB has to make that pass, it wasn't hard, he just didn't set his feet. But this is what we get from a young QB that has been injured much of his career and is learning the position in this league.

Of course there were other reasons why we lost. The defense in the second half was atrocious. Haslett just called a terrible game. Once again he gives breathing room to a rookie, untested QB instead of applying the pressure full tilt.

Similarly, I think Gruden's play calling was very questionable at times. It was clear that Minnesota was going to bring the pressure right up the middle on passing downs. The pocket continued to collapse from the middle. Yet Gruden kept calling 5 step drop pocket passing plays. It boggled my mind.

This is not hating, this is stating fact. I think we have to stick with RG3 through thick or thin the rest of this season. We have to see if he can start to develop. If he doesn't show improvement over the next 7 games, we have a major issue to address this offseason.......again.

If you had only read this post and not my earlier post in the Embarrassing thread I could see you point. It's quoted below just so you can see I don't always just defend Griff. I posted this post above in a thread titled RG Sucks because RG didn't suck, there were other factors in play.

To lose on the road by a field goal to a team about as good as you are is not embarrassing. What is embarrassing is having a head coach go for 2 with over 9 minutes to go. That lost point could have been the difference between a winning FG and a FG to force overtime.

I too put most of it on the defense. There is no way a team with that QB should have put up 29 points. Hass backed off the blitz and there were still holes on the deep sideline all game long. The 2 pentalties on the final drive, especially the push off by DJax, were huge. Without that call they have a 2nd and 2 near midfield and I love our chances.

As for Griff I give him an average score. Dean's right, he has to hit that 4th down pass. But it shouldn't have come to that. His pick at the end of the half changed the game. I have no doubt it hit the ground by the way it bounced up in the air, why they didn't have another angle for the replay is beyond me. Still it was a bad pass under pressure. And he took about 2 sacks he should not have taken. But of course he avoided 2 sacks that others take and threw for 1st downs twice, one on a spectacular play that few QBs make on the sideline pass to Halu, so I look at that as a wash. To say he played like crap is just more nonsense from Dean. With that said he had a chance to win at the end and didn't get it done. But he hung 26 (should have been 27) and that wins most games

 

[j_y19]

If you had only read this post and not my earlier post in the Embarrassing thread I could see you point. It's quoted below just so you can see I don't always just defend Griff. I posted this post above in a thread titled RG Sucks because RG didn't suck, there were other factors in play.

See, its the last phrase you use that seems like an excuse......"There were other factors in play". There were no other factors for RG3s play. It was what it was. While I may not use the term, "he sucked", his play was not that good. If you are looking at stats alone, you could come to the conclusion that his play was OK. But he didn't step up when we needed him to. The bottom line is that we didn't win and his play was a contribution to that loss. He was ONE of the reasons (not the only reason) why we were driving for the game winning FG at the end of the game and came up short instead of defending a 10 point lead.

This is part of holding RG3 accountable. The fact is his play was not good enough yesterday to win. This is not to say that he can't improve, which is what a hater would say. But its also not giving him an out by claiming other factors were involved like a poor Oline or a shitty defense.

 

[mad4comp]

You know anything about McCoy dude? I do because a good friend of mine is a Sooner fan and laughed when he heard we have McCoy, dude has a weak arm, yes he can run a little and can read progressions pretty well but he's also been known to be a crybaby and disruption in the locker room. He knows this is his last chance so he's not saying nothing which is smart, if he would of started today I would of backed the decision to rest Griffin one more game and who knows? I think we would of still lost if the defense played the same way but I'm sure you'll say he would of saved the day. The Vikings are ranked 4th in pass defense so I doubt McCoy would of fared much better but as for the defense against the 29th ranked offense they SUCKED

Seriously? You asked a Sooner fan about a Longhorns player? Hold on, let me ask the Cowboys what they think of Alfred Morris.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

See, its the last phrase you use that seems like an excuse......"There were other factors in play". There were no other factors for RG3s play. It was what it was. While I may not use the term, "he sucked", his play was not that good. If you are looking at stats alone, you could come to the conclusion that his play was OK. But he didn't step up when we needed him to. The bottom line is that we didn't win and his play was a contribution to that loss. He was ONE of the reasons (not the only reason) why we were driving for the game winning FG at the end of the game and came up short instead of defending a 10 point lead.

This is part of holding RG3 accountable. The fact is his play was not good enough yesterday to win. This is not to say that he can't improve, which is what a hater would say. But its also not giving him an out by claiming other factors were involved like a poor Oline or a shitty defense.

So the fact that the Vikes have 30 sacks and the Boys have 18 this year is not a factor? Again I'm not making excuses, that pass defense was better than the Boys and I was simply pointing that out to refute the notion that the sacks are all on the QB. Now Griff played a part, I totally agreed that he took too many sacks and his pick changed the game. But the pass rush ability of the opponent plays a role too, not sure how that is debatable.

His play was OK. Not good enough to win but hardly in the "sucks" category. I think we both agree here so what's the disagreement? You claim I only defend Griffin and that's not true as the post above shows. Griffin hater said he had to put up 28 or he was a failure. Well he put up 27 if the HC was not an idiot. Again he didn't play good enough, that's why I gave him an average grade. But he hung 27 and Colt needed OT to get to 20.

 

[j_y19]

So the fact that the Vikes have 30 sacks and the Boys have 18 this year is not a factor? Again I'm not making excuses, that pass defense was better than the Boys and I was simply pointing that out to refute the notion that the sacks are all on the QB. Now Griff played a part, I totally agreed that he took too many sacks and his pick changed the game. But the pass rush ability of the opponent plays a role too, not sure how that is debatable.

His play was OK. Not good enough to win but hardly in the "sucks" category. I think we both agree here so what's the disagreement? You claim I only defend Griffin and that's not true as the post above shows. Griffin hater said he had to put up 28 or he was a failure. Well he put up 27 if the HC was not an idiot. Again he didn't play good enough, that's why I gave him an average grade. But he hung 27 and Colt needed OT to get to 20.

The fact that Minny has a good pass rush was not a factor when RG3 threw the INT or missed an easy pass to Garcon on 4th down. Those errors were all RG3. They were critical, game changing errors. Good QBs don't make those errors. This goes with the territory of being an NFL QB. Don't care if he completed 80% of his passes, he made critical errors that contributed to the loss, thus I can't give him an OK grade. Again, I wouldn't term his play as sucking, but I also take into consideration of the poster before I feel the need to comment. Right now RG3 is not a good QB.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The fact that Minny has a good pass rush was not a factor when RG3 threw the INT or missed an easy pass to Garcon on 4th down. Those errors were all RG3. They were critical, game changing errors. Good QBs don't make those errors. This goes with the territory of being an NFL QB. Don't care if he completed 80% of his passes, he made critical errors that contributed to the loss, thus I can't give him an OK grade. Again, I wouldn't term his play as sucking, but I also take into consideration of the poster before I feel the need to comment. Right now RG3 is not a good QB.

You may want to take a look at that pick again, he was under pressure which caused a weak throw. Again that was huge play and I never gave him a pass for it. But you act as the pass rush was not a factor, that he had a perfectly clean pocket and he delivered it Cousins style to the defense and that's not even close to the truth. He was under pressure from a great pass rush and that played a big part in the weak ass piss poor throw. And what about the 2 plays where he should have been sacked and he escaped and made plays? They clearly don't count because the team lost, only the bad plays count when your team loses apparently

Again for the 5th time this morning Griffin did not play well enough to win, especially on the final drive. He simply has to hit that 4th down pass. I'm not claiming he played great. But there were other factors such as the best pass rush in the league and one of the best pass defenses. To ignore that fact is making excuses in the other direction.

 

[Kevin12773]

Truth hurts doesn't it and the only bitching I'm hearing is coming from you same Griffin haters, Colt was cut from the Browns for a reason, he's a backup QB. Our defense blew this game today. Yes Griffin held onto the ball too long a few times but our Oline got whipped on several occasions too but we still put up 26 pts which should of been enough against there awful offense.

I'm on your side dude. I was referring to the haters.

 

[j_y19]

You may want to take a look at that pick again, he was under pressure which caused a weak throw. Again that was huge play and I never gave him a pass for it. But you act as the pass rush was not a factor, that he had a perfectly clean pocket and he delivered it Cousins style to the defense and that's not even close to the truth. He was under pressure from a great pass rush and that played a big part in the weak ass piss poor throw. And what about the 2 plays where he should have been sacked and he escaped and made plays? They clearly don't count because the team lost, only the bad plays count when your team loses apparently

Again for the 5th time this morning Griffin did not play well enough to win, especially on the final drive. He simply has to hit that 4th down pass. I'm not claiming he played great. But there were other factors such as the best pass rush in the league and one of the best pass defenses. To ignore that fact is making excuses in the other direction.

You're making excuses again. There was pressure, but that ball just came out of his hand wrong. In fact, the decision to throw it to that receiver was wrong. Dude, all QBs have to play with pressure in their faces. The good ones step up. He didn't. 8 other QBs have played against this pass rush. 5 of them have come away with wins, despite the pressure. Look at the QBs that have lost to this pass rush. That is the class that RG3 is in right now.

You are no different than the haters you like to call out. You see RG3 through different glasses than them, but the vision is just as skewed.

 

[j_y19]

BTW, I'mm not condemning RG3, I'm just being honest. I am not ready to give up on him. We should expect mistakes, just hopefully he starts to learn from them.