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[chucksker]

"everyone agrees" russel Wilson woulda been a top 10 pick had he been 6-2?!?!

Maybe it's just me but I haven't heard that ONE SINGLE TIME

 

[chucksker]

Also, while they may not have many High draft picks, it's impossible to argue that Texas tech and Oklahoma haven't had some of the most lethal offenses in the country over the past few years

 

[iruletheskool]

Okie Lite had a better O fence than wisco LAST YEAR

 

[Big Red Said]

It just makes me laugh that THAT wisconsin offense is the best in B1G history.

We saw better offenses in the Big 12 on a weekly basis. Just sayin.

Well, he did say Big Ten and although I have not heard this in the main stream media, I am not privy to all the Big Ten History and would not pretend to say I was an expert in that regard.

What I can say is... although it may have been a solid "O"; I believe we have played many of teams in the Big 12 whereby their "O" was as dominant and or more dominant and proficient.

I will say without a shadow of doubt... our Husker teams (glory days)... had one of the best if not the very best offence's in the history of CFB... and this is backed up to this very day via media and analyst nationwide who are husker haters...

Smart; I am not saying Wisconsin's "O" was not a great "O" but for you to say the best in Big Ten History... would be something that I believe would be spewed over the media airways whereby everyone in the Big Ten/Nation would recognize it and would not argue with you... I suspect there are some folks from other past powerful Big Ten days... that would take issue with you pronouncing your claim...

 

[Brasky]

Again, that just isn't true. Our QB had the SINGLE HIGHEST PASSER RATING in NCAA HISTORY. Our RB scored 39 TDs, which tied the NCAA record (and though Sanders did it in less games, he also had more carries). We only had 10 turnovers all year, and half of them were committed by the second string. Our 44 PPG is a huge number, especially considering that we are a clock eating offense who doesn't strike quickly. It's too bad that nobody effectively tracks efficiency in football like Pomeroy does in basketball, because if they did, I feel pretty confident we would be right up there with all time greats.

I also think NFL evaluators prove how good our team is. Going starter by starter:
Russell Wilson (3rd round draft pick. Nearly everyone agrees he would have been a top ten pick had he been 6'2 or taller. 6th QB drafted)
Montee Ball (Projected 2nd-3rd Round pick, ranked as top 5 RB prospect)
Bradie Ewing (Fifth Round Pick, #1 FB Drafted this year)
Nick Toon (4th round draft pick, 18th WR off board)
Jared Abbredaris (Projected 3rd-4th rounder)
Jacob Pedersen (Projected 3rd round pick)
Josh Oglesby (Undrafted due to chronic knee concerns, but was Consensus First Team All B1G)
Kevin Zeitler (First round draft pick, #2 OG off the board)
Peter Konz (Second Round pick, #1 C on the board)
Travis Frederick (Projected First Rounder, #1 Ranked OG in next class)
Ricky Wagner (Projected First Rounder, #2 Overall according to McShay, #1 or #2 OT in class)

So that gives us:
- Three players drafted in first or projected to go in first
- A fourth who is universally considered to have the skill set of a first rounder
- Two others taken or projected to go in second
- Three either taken in third or projected to go in third
- One taken in fourth and one in fifth
- Four guys considered the best at their position in their class
- Only player not taken or projected to be taken in first five rounds was Consensus All-Conference Player

I'd be interested in seeing how many Big 12 offenses can match up with the results and pedigree of our offense. My guess is that there aren't very many.

Off the top of my head, 2008 Oklahoma pisses all over what you just said.

 

[Brasky]

The highest-scoring team in NCAA history (716 total points), this Oklahoma team scored no fewer than 35 points prior to the BCS National Championship game against Florida. Quarterback Sam Bradford rewrote the Oklahoma record books on his way to winning the Heisman Trophy. Bradford finished No. 1 in the nation in pass efficiency (180.84) and No. 4 in total offense (340.5 ypg). He set single-season school records for yards (4,270) and touchdown passes (50). This offense led the nation with only 11 turnovers all season and featured a pair of 1,000-yard backs in DeMarco Murray (1,397 yards from scrimmage, 18 total TDs) and Chris Brown (1,329 yards from scrimmage and 21 total TDs). Murray was eighth nationally in all-purpose yards (167.0 ypg), and tight end Jermaine Gresham was the best the country had to offer at tight end (66 rec., 950 yards, 14 TDs).




Passing Offense: 349.4 ypg (3rd)
Total Offense: 547.9 ypg (3rd)
Scoring Offense: 51.1 ppg (1st)
NFL Draft Picks: Phil Loadholt (1st, 2009), Juaquin Iglesias (3rd, 2009), Duke Robinson (5th, 2009), Manuel Johnson (7th, 2009), Sam Bradford (1st, 2010), Jermaine Gresham (1st, 2010), Trent Williams (1st, 2010), Brody Eldridge (5th, 2010), DeMarco Murray (3rd, 2011)

 

[Smart]

"everyone agrees" russel Wilson woulda been a top 10 pick had he been 6-2?!?!

Maybe it's just me but I haven't heard that ONE SINGLE TIME

You didn't read any draft analyses then. Analysts from just about all fronts (Scouting Websites, ESPN, local newspapers, etc.) said that Wilson had the third best skills of quarterbacks in the draft and would have gone where Tannehill went if he was 6'2. Why do you think Wilson spent the entire lead-up to the draft answering questions about his height? Even during the draft, Berman asked all the analysts if he would have gone in the top ten if he was 6'3, and four of their five analysts did.

Also, while they may not have many High draft picks, it's impossible to argue that Texas tech and Oklahoma haven't had some of the most lethal offenses in the country over the past few years

I'd put the following Big 12 offenses of the last 15 years as better than ours:

2000 Oklahoma
2005 Texas
2008 Oklahoma
2011 Oklahoma State

I'd put the following offenses as even to ours:
1997 Nebraska
2003 Oklahoma
2008 Texas Tech
2010 Texas

Clearly better offensively, but it's not like our offense would be "just another Big 12 offense." To suggest that we didn't have an elite offense (like Brasky did) is ludicrous.

 

[Brasky]

'07 Kansas had a better offense than '11 wisconsin.

 

[Brasky]

I didn't say it wasn't elite, I said It was hilarious to think that if in fact that Wisconsin offense was the best the B1G has offered up in its entire history, that's pretty sad considering how many better offenses the Big 12 has put out in its 10 plus years.

 

[Brasky]

Missouri has put out better offenses in the last 10 years than that 2011 Wisconsin team.

 

[Smart]

'07 Kansas had a better offense than '11 wisconsin.

Not even close. They didn't face any elite defenses until their bowl game, but still had 28 or less twice (and another in the bowl game). We played several elite defenses (PSU, MSU x2, and Illinois) and our lowest was a 28 point output in the middle of a windstorm. Plus, talentwise it's a no-contest. We might literally be better at all 11 slots.

 

[iruletheskool]

Smart was probably one of the fags following me after the game yelling RUSSEL HEISMAN and TAYLOR IS A GIRLS NAME

 

[iruletheskool]

Id take Reesing over Wilson all day

 

[iruletheskool]

LOL 2 calling anything at Illinois elite

 

[Brasky]

Not even close. They didn't face any elite defenses until their bowl game, but still had 28 or less twice (and another in the bowl game). We played several elite defenses (PSU, MSU x2, and Illinois) and our lowest was a 28 point output in the middle of a windstorm. Plus, talentwise it's a no-contest. We might literally be better at all 11 slots.

It's so hard to take you seriously with some of the shit you say.

For real.

And quit acting like how many players were drafted matters so much. You know better than that.

 

[iruletheskool]

Smart reminds me of a husker fan, only he cheers for the wrong team

 

[Brasky]

Smart needs a shock collar.

 

[Smart]

LOL 2 calling anything at Illinois elite

Illinois's defense wasn't elite? They were #7 in YPG allowed despite the fact that their offense couldn't stay on the field for more than ten seconds. They had 41 sacks and recovered fifteen fumbles. I honestly can't tell if you are clueless or if you are trolling me.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Not even close. They didn't face any elite defenses until their bowl game, but still had 28 or less twice (and another in the bowl game). We played several elite defenses (PSU, MSU x2, and Illinois) and our lowest was a 28 point output in the middle of a windstorm. Plus, talentwise it's a no-contest. We might literally be better at all 11 slots.

Thee bolded apply to you...

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[Smart]

It's so hard to take you seriously with some of the shit you say.

For real.

And quit acting like how many players were drafted matters so much. You know better than that.

Give me one slot where they are better. Their FIRST draft pick in 2008 was Anthony Collins early in the fourth. He was their LT, where our guy is projected to go as high as #2 overall. Their next pick was a TE in the middle of the fourth, which is after ours is projected to be picked.

If you want to ignore draft status, fine. Statistically, our players are better at virtually every position. Our players earned better national recognition. Just tell me one slot I am wrong and at give me a reason, instead of acting like I am wrong without telling me why.