return of the bust league

molsaniceman · Aug 24, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
and i hope thats how the rankings will be counted... Whether we change how we do the scoring or not... I dont know how Fantrax calculates this... so we will see after week one if we need to change the calculations...

there should be no NEGATIVE NUMBERS in the rankings... think negative as REVERSE RANKINGS....

The Weight determines the importance of each scoring category relative to the other scoring categories. For example in a 12-team league, if you assigned a weight of 1 to TD, then the fantasy team who's 1st in TD among all other teams would receive 12 points (12 x 1). The 2nd place team in TD would receive 11 points, the 3rd place team in TD would receive 10 points, and so on. If the weight was 2 for TD, then the 1st place team in TD would receive 24 points (12 x 2), the 2nd place team in TD would receive 22 points (11 x 2), and so on.

* A scoring category that is generally unfavorable to accumulate stats in, such as Turnovers (TO), is automatically scored as a negative stat by the system (i.e. the less Turnovers the better). Therefore, it should not be assigned a negative weight, unless you want to track it as a "positive" stat (i.e. the more Turnovers the better

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 24, 2023

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molsaniceman said:
The Weight determines the importance of each scoring category relative to the other scoring categories. For example in a 12-team league, if you assigned a weight of 1 to TD, then the fantasy team who's 1st in TD among all other teams would receive 12 points (12 x 1). The 2nd place team in TD would receive 11 points, the 3rd place team in TD would receive 10 points, and so on. If the weight was 2 for TD, then the 1st place team in TD would receive 24 points (12 x 2), the 2nd place team in TD would receive 22 points (11 x 2), and so on.

* A scoring category that is generally unfavorable to accumulate stats in, such as Turnovers (TO), is automatically scored as a negative stat by the system (i.e. the less Turnovers the better). Therefore, it should not be assigned a negative weight, unless you want to track it as a "positive" stat (i.e. the more Turnovers the better

i know that... but if i put a negative value, would it be negative or reverse???

molsaniceman · Aug 24, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
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i know that... but if i put a negative value, would it be negative or reverse???

-1 reverses whatever the stat normally does but the problem is the people that dont play screw up the system :suds:

femurov · Aug 24, 2023

When is the draft again?

wilwhite · Aug 24, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
the calculation was correct... but i forgot to put into the ranking that some were reverse ranking, others were regular ranking...
Also, Rush attempts is a half Category... So the rankings didnt add up without the calculations...

this is what the rankings should have looked like

Allen
4
4
1
1
3
2
1
1
4
21
Dalton
3
2
2
3
2
0.5
4
4
2
22.5
Mayfield
2
1
4
4
1
1
3
2
3
21
Dak
2
3
3
2
4
1.5
2
2
2
21.5

I suggest that Games Played, Pass Attempts and INT's are too heavily weighted. Cut them in half and the result makes more sense.

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 24, 2023

wilwhite said:
I suggest that Games Played, Pass Attempts and INT's are too heavily weighted. Cut them in half and the result makes more sense.

is there a way to have a dummy league and see the results from last years stats??

Chef99 · Aug 24, 2023

So, what was a cool, interesting, Bizarro league is being analyzed to death.

Whatever. Wake me up when it begins.

wilwhite · Aug 24, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
is there a way to have a dummy league and see the results from last years stats??

Sounds like a lot of work to do for real.

I'd just take the top 18 QB and TE 2022 yardage leaders and 45 RB and 45 WR yardage leaders, randomly assign them to nine teams, and spit out the result.

But if I took Mayfield over Josh Allen last year I expect that to be obviously better in this league, and with the current scoring it's not.

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 24, 2023

wilwhite said:
Sounds like a lot of work to do for real.

I'd just take the top 18 QB and TE 2022 yardage leaders and 45 RB and 45 WR yardage leaders, randomly assign them to nine teams, and spit out the result.

But if I took Mayfield over Josh Allen last year I expect that to be obviously better in this league, and with the current scoring it's not.

that was only a 4 team/player league though... that was not a good example of the scoring... remember that the max you can get for a category is the amount of teams and the least is 1...

in 4 team league, the max was 4 least was 1... so with those categories there was never going to be one player to take the big leap over the other...

the more teams in the league the larger the difference between good and bad....

All-Star Benchwarmer · Aug 24, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
the more teams in the league the larger the difference between good and bad....

I say you choose random Hooplans until we hit 32 teams. Somebody will be surprised in January when the results are released...

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 25, 2023

PLAYER
Jalen Hurts QB \| PHI	84
Patrick Mahomes QB \| KC	87
Lamar Jackson QB \| BAL	100
Daniel Jones QB \| NYG	102.5
Justin Fields QB \| CHI	105.5
Jimmy Garoppolo QB \| LV	108.5
Tua Tagovailoa QB \| MIA	113.5
Joe Burrow QB \| CIN	114
Kyler Murray QB \| ARI	114
Trevor Lawrence QB \| JAC	114.5
Josh Allen QB \| BUF	115
Ryan Tannehill QB \| TEN	117.5
Marcus Mariota QB \| PHI	119.5
Russell Wilson QB \| DEN	122.5
Geno Smith QB \| SEA	126.5
Jacoby Brissett QB \| WAS	127
Kenny Pickett QB \| PIT	127.5
Dak Prescott QB \| DAL	128
Derek Carr QB \| NO	128.5
Kirk Cousins QB \| MIN	131
Mac Jones QB \| NE	132.5
Andy Dalton QB \| CAR	133
Carson Wentz QB \| WAS	133
Jared Goff QB \| DET	133.5
Justin Herbert QB \| LAC	136.5
Taylor Heinicke QB \| ATL	139.5
Tom Brady QB \| TB	143.5
Aaron Rodgers QB \| NYJ	143.5
Davis Mills QB \| HOU	143.5
Baker Mayfield QB \| TB	145
Matthew Stafford QB \| LAR	149.5
Matt Ryan QB \| IND	164

few things to notice...

1. i did not include GP and 2PT conversions which are both currently stats we are using

2. Rushing QBs were seen to be less of a bust compared to the rest of the QBs... But that is not a valid Rotisserie assessment... as the rushing stats are going to be increased by the running backs on your team... and as a rotisserie league, each category has its own importance....

But i am noticing that because i am including ATTEMPTS, i probably dont need to include GP as a full category... I think that may be better off as a half....

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 25, 2023

wilwhite said:
Sounds like a lot of work to do for real.

I'd just take the top 18 QB and TE 2022 yardage leaders and 45 RB and 45 WR yardage leaders, randomly assign them to nine teams, and spit out the result.

But if I took Mayfield over Josh Allen last year I expect that to be obviously better in this league, and with the current scoring it's not.

I just posted a list of the top 30 QBs from last year and how they would have scored in this league

few things to notice...

1. i did not include GP and 2PT conversions which are both currently stats we are using

2. Rushing QBs were seen to be less of a bust compared to the rest of the QBs... But that is not a valid Rotisserie assessment... as the rushing stats are going to be increased by the running backs on your team... and as a rotisserie league, each category has its own importance....

But i am noticing that because i am including ATTEMPTS, i probably dont need to include GP as a full category... I think that may be better off as a half....

Shanemansj13 · Aug 25, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
PLAYER
Jalen Hurts QB | PHI
84
Patrick Mahomes QB | KC
87
Lamar Jackson QB | BAL
100
Daniel Jones QB | NYG
102.5
Justin Fields QB | CHI
105.5
Jimmy Garoppolo QB | LV
108.5
Tua Tagovailoa QB | MIA
113.5
Joe Burrow QB | CIN
114
Kyler Murray QB | ARI
114
Trevor Lawrence QB | JAC
114.5
Josh Allen QB | BUF
115
Ryan Tannehill QB | TEN
117.5
Marcus Mariota QB | PHI
119.5
Russell Wilson QB | DEN
122.5
Geno Smith QB | SEA
126.5
Jacoby Brissett QB | WAS
127
Kenny Pickett QB | PIT
127.5
Dak Prescott QB | DAL
128
Derek Carr QB | NO
128.5
Kirk Cousins QB | MIN
131
Mac Jones QB | NE
132.5
Andy Dalton QB | CAR
133
Carson Wentz QB | WAS
133
Jared Goff QB | DET
133.5
Justin Herbert QB | LAC
136.5
Taylor Heinicke QB | ATL
139.5
Tom Brady QB | TB
143.5
Aaron Rodgers QB | NYJ
143.5
Davis Mills QB | HOU
143.5
Baker Mayfield QB | TB
145
Matthew Stafford QB | LAR
149.5
Matt Ryan QB | IND
164

few things to notice...

1. i did not include GP and 2PT conversions which are both currently stats we are using

2. Rushing QBs were seen to be less of a bust compared to the rest of the QBs... But that is not a valid Rotisserie assessment... as the rushing stats are going to be increased by the running backs on your team... and as a rotisserie league, each category has its own importance....

But i am noticing that because i am including ATTEMPTS, i probably dont need to include GP as a full category... I think that may be better off as a half....

Surprising to see these QB's score so high (badly).

Jared Goff QB | DET - 133.5
Justin Herbert QB | LAC - 136.5

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 25, 2023

Goff was ranked so Busty because of his rushing... was ranked 26th and 28th in rushing Yds and TDs... But other than the elite Rushing QBs, the rushing rankings are going to be irrelevant to the total rankings...

Herbert, should not have surprised you... he was not good last season...

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 25, 2023

Shanemansj13 said:
Surprising to see these QB's score so high (badly).

Jared Goff QB | DET - 133.5
Justin Herbert QB | LAC - 136.5

Just passing stats rankings

Tua Tagovailoa QB \| MIA	56
Patrick Mahomes QB \| KC	60
Jalen Hurts QB \| PHI	63
Jimmy Garoppolo QB \| LV	64
Andy Dalton QB \| CAR	71
Lamar Jackson QB \| BAL	75
Jared Goff QB \| DET	75
Ryan Tannehill QB \| TEN	77
Daniel Jones QB \| NYG	80
Derek Carr QB \| NO	80
Justin Herbert QB \| LAC	83
Joe Burrow QB \| CIN	84
Kyler Murray QB \| ARI	86
Justin Fields QB \| CHI	87
Dak Prescott QB \| DAL	87
Trevor Lawrence QB \| JAC	88
Geno Smith QB \| SEA	88
Mac Jones QB \| NE	88
Carson Wentz QB \| WAS	89
Tom Brady QB \| TB	89
Kirk Cousins QB \| MIN	91
Russell Wilson QB \| DEN	92
Jacoby Brissett QB \| WAS	92
Marcus Mariota QB \| PHI	93
Josh Allen QB \| BUF	94
Kenny Pickett QB \| PIT	94
Aaron Rodgers QB \| NYJ	95
Taylor Heinicke QB \| ATL	96
Baker Mayfield QB \| TB	97
Matthew Stafford QB \| LAR	100
Davis Mills QB \| HOU	107
Matt Ryan QB \| IND	116

Shanemansj13 · Aug 25, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
Goff was ranked so Busty because of his rushing... was ranked 26th and 28th in rushing Yds and TDs... But other than the elite Rushing QBs, the rushing rankings are going to be irrelevant to the total rankings...

Herbert, should not have surprised you... he was not good last season...

Well this is where it gets dicey...I know there is really nothing we can do in a sense but why should a QB be penalized for a being a great pocket passer and just simply slow? I mean this for Goff.

Herbert was nothing special.

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 25, 2023

Shanemansj13 said:
Well this is where it gets dicey...I know there is really nothing we can do in a sense but why should a QB be penalized for a being a great pocket passer and just simply slow? I mean this for Goff.

Herbert was nothing special.

they dont get penalized...

you play rotisserie baseball... think about it this way....

there are HR hitters, there are players that get stolen bases.... then there are players that get both....

does owning a player who DOES NOT DO BOTH, penalize you in either category?? or do you just need other players to help you in those other categories???

MilkSpiller22 · Aug 25, 2023

I just changed the category weights in our league so that all attempts are now .5 and so is GP....

molsaniceman · Aug 25, 2023

MilkSpiller22 said:
I just changed the category weights in our league so that all attempts are now .5 and so is GP....

u just made rbs the most important players on the field
last years stats

molsaniceman · Aug 25, 2023

Heres last years qb rankings which look about right
but i still think its backwards

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