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[lakersrule]

Everybody is a role player.

 

[LAD]

LMFAO...He is in the HoF.

Last time I checked, most of those guys had some type of elite skill.

He played in an era where there were a ton of great PF's and he excelled.

He is a 2-time Defensive player of the year and led the NBA in rebounding SEVEN times.

Not to mention, he routinely locked down, or at the very least irritated the hell out of, the oppositions best player.

That is not a role player.


Rodman's accomplishments...

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2011

5-time NBA Champion: 1989, 1990, 1996, 1997, 1998

2-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1990, 1991

IBM Award: 1992

8-time NBA All-Defensive Selection

• First Team: 1989-93, 1995, 1996
• Second Team: 1994

2-time All-NBA Third Team: 1992, 1995

2-time NBA All-Star: 1990, 1992

Ranked #48 on the 2009 revision of SLAM Magazine's Top 50 Players of All-time

tlance just argues to argue.

 

[LAD]

That is the problem with these all time debates though. Rodman was absolutely great at what he did, but at the same time wildly overrated. He was one of the greatest role players ever, but a role player all the same. Yet, he gets lumped in with the all time greats because he was a member of 5 championship teams.

# of championships won seem to be the primary barometer of all time greatness for individuals, yet no individual would ever win without his teammates. Put Jordan on the Nuggets instead of the Bulls, and he has zero rings. Would that really make him less great though?

Now, because Rodman was the third best player on the 3 time champion Bulls, and the 3rd or 4th best player on the Pistons, he goes down as an all time great. Yet, there were at least 4 players in last nights' game alone that are better than Rodman overall.

Just a member of 5 championship teams...this makes it sound like he was the 12th guy at the end of the bench. He actually CONTRIBUED big in those championships. SMH

 

[LAD]

Really?

Wes Unseld averaged 13ppg the year he won Mvp.

He averaged less than 11 for his career.

It pretty clear that you have your feet dug in about Dennis.

But, his resume speaks for itself.

Not a role player. An elite rebounder and defender who changed the outcome of games without ever needing to score a point.

Sounds like tlance is more in love with the offensive side of the game than even you my friend.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

tlance just argues to argue.

Not sure.

But, at least he's able to have a spirited debate without resulting to insults.

* gives Wiggyruss the siiiiiiiiiiiiide eye*

So, I look forward to more conversations in the future.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Sounds like tlance is more in love with the offensive side of the game than even you my friend.

...and that is really saying something!

 

[LAD]

Not sure.

But, at least he's able to have a spirited debate without resulting to insults.

* gives Wiggyruss the siiiiiiiiiiiiide eye*

So, I look forward to more conversations in the future.

Maybe after a couple more pages that will change?

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Just a member of 5 championship teams...this makes it sound like he was the 12th guy at the end of the bench. He actually CONTRIBUED big in those championships. SMH

Not saying this is what Tlance is doing...

But, this reminds me of my stance on Kobe vs. Duncan.

I will do annnnnnnnnnything to not have to give Mamba credit.

 

[LAD]

Not saying this is what Tlance is doing...

But, this reminds me of my stance on Kobe vs. Duncan.

I will do annnnnnnnnnything to not have to give Mamba credit.

I do remember that debate.

 

[tlance]

Sounds like tlance is more in love with the offensive side of the game than even you my friend.

Not at all. In fact, quite the opposite.

You all think that I am somehow downplaying Rodman's accomplishments. I am not.

A player like Rodman who is great defensively and does very little offensively, is no more or less valuable than an elite score who plays mediocre defense and does not make teammates around them better. Specialists are vitally important to any team, but I do take issue when people try to lump them in with all time greats.

Rodman is one of very few defensive specialists who has earned a spot in the hall of fame, but I ask, was it really because of his basketball, or his off the court antics? Being a member of two historically great franchises had caused just about everyone to overstate his impact. Their were many great players on both the Pistons and the Bulls. Because those teams were great, Rodman's historical importance gets overstated.

The truth of the matter is, however, Rodman was no more valuable than some of his two way contemporaries like Larry Nance, or current players like Draymond Green and Chris Bosh. Yet, history remembers him that way because of his rings. It isn't Nance's fault that he never played on a team as good as the Pistons or the Bulls.

 

[tlance]

By the way, nobody has addressed my question:

How can Rodman be an all time great when he was never the second best player in his own team?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Rodman was part of a "big 3" in Chicago. While he was never exactly known for his offense, he was actually a bit more of a scorer in Detroit. In his highest scoring season, he averaged 11.8 points.

While, it was at a small college, he averaged 25.7 ppg in college.

He chose to be a "rebounder/defender for hire" in the NBA because he was always on teams with plenty of guys who could score. When you are playing alongside guys like Isaiah, The Microwave, Duncan, Robinson, MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, etc. your scoring isn't really needed.

While I agree with everything, he didn't have the scoring ability if he even tried to be an offensive guy in the NBA unless he was like Deandre and was just there for putbacks, dunks, etc. His jumpshot was ugly and even he was surprised when he made one lol.

So basically he was like a Tristan Thompson except his best skills (rebounding and defense) were very elite and he didn't make as much money as Tristan

 

[Shanemansj13]

btw...Rodman was not a top 50 player, possibly top 100. Pippen was a much better all-around player than Rodman and he barely top 50 on some lists.

 

[tlance]

btw...Rodman was not a top 50 player, possibly top 100. Pippen was a much better all-around player than Rodman and he barely top 50 on some lists.

And if Pippen is barely top 50, how in the world can Rodman be top 100?

Pippen was every bit as good defensively as Rodman was.

 

[tlance]

While I agree with everything, he didn't have the scoring ability if he even tried to be an offensive guy in the NBA unless he was like Deandre and was just there for putbacks, dunks, etc. His jumpshot was ugly and even he was surprised when he made one lol.

So basically he was like a Tristan Thompson except his best skills (rebounding and defense) were very elite and he didn't make as much money as Tristan

He is like Tristan Thompson, except he is better defensively and not as good on the offensive end. By the way, Thompson is: ding ding ding: a role player.

 

[tlance]

Rodman was part of a "big 3" in Chicago. While he was never exactly known for his offense, he was actually a bit more of a scorer in Detroit. In his highest scoring season, he averaged 11.8 points.

While, it was at a small college, he averaged 25.7 ppg in college.

He chose to be a "rebounder/defender for hire" in the NBA because he was always on teams with plenty of guys who could score. When you are playing alongside guys like Isaiah, The Microwave, Duncan, Robinson, MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, etc. your scoring isn't really needed.

So, because he averaged double figures exactly once in his career and score 25 a game at Southeast Louisiana State where he played against guys as athletic as me, you say he could have been a scorer?

I agree his scoring was not needed, but he also did not have the ability to be a scorer at the NBA level.

 

[tlance]

So, because he averaged double figures exactly once in his career and score 25 a game at Southeast Louisiana State where he played against guys as athletic as me, you say he could have been a scorer?

I agree his scoring was not needed, but he also did not have the ability to be a scorer at the NBA level.

Sorry, for him and Karl Malone confused. That should read Southeast Oklahoma State

 

[trojanfan12]

So, because he averaged double figures exactly once in his career and score 25 a game at Southeast Louisiana State where he played against guys as athletic as me, you say he could have been a scorer?

I agree his scoring was not needed, but he also did not have the ability to be a scorer at the NBA level.

I'm saying he has shown an ability to score. Last I checked, the court, basket height, etc. were all the same. We don't know how much of an offensive threat he could have been because he chose to concentrate on defense and rebounding. His scoring wasn't needed on the teams he played for.

 

[tlance]

By the way

I'm saying he has shown an ability to score. Last I checked, the court, basket height, etc. were all the same. We don't know how much of an offensive threat he could have been because he chose to concentrate on defense and rebounding. His scoring wasn't needed on the teams he played for.

Not true.

I scored 20 a game in intramurals. Since I could score there, I should be able to get at least double figures in the league, right?

Obviously not. Level matters. Scoring 25 a game in NAIA proves nothing. The competition was inferior and Rodman was far and away the best athlete on the court. Those point totals prove nothing about his ability to score against NBA athletes.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Never happen since they have shitload committed already to players.