Remember when nig/gas actually cared about PED's?

[Omar 382]

Maybe it was just me, but when I was a kid, I was borderline personally devastated when I found out certain players were juicing, or when reporters questioned Ryan Howard's 58 home run season in '06 (Piece! @Cedrique) by saying he was possibly using roids. Again, it could have been a product of my young age, but it was like those guys were bad, immoral people who cheated their teams, their fans, and all of MLB. And I don't think it was just me- the Garper threads that were bumped are good indications of what most people thought about steroid users, IMO.

Fastforward to 2017, and who gives a motherfuck? The biggest complaint now is that the player's will lose 50 or whatever games to the season. But there's no more personal liability for things players have used. And even the 50 games is largely forgivable, so long as the player helped his team get to the playoffs or even win a World Series.

I, for one, am happy. When you have so many freaking guys juicing, it's unfair to single out and criticize the few that get caught. That's some bullshit. And that's not even to comment on what I think about PED's in general.

Go steroids!

 

[Vyle203]

Nice thread title, Bill Maher.

 

[navamind]

I dig the long ball. I'm all for pumping players full of drugs.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Juicing balls> PEDS

 

[richig07]

There's no longer evidence to suggest that a lot of players are using PED's. I'm not sure how many have been caught among active players, but the percentage has to be VERY small.

The body types of players have normalized in a big way since the steroid boom, as have home run numbers.

There's usually about one guy every year or two we catch. Marte being most recent. Also, to suggest it's not a big deal, is just inaccurate. It ruins your image, and any chance at the HOF you may have had... etc... You will forever be associated with steroids.

If you get caught while in the minors, before moving up. Like Jose Quintana did. That's a situation where people may just genuinely not know it happened. All I can think of.

 

[navamind]

I do think the balls are juiced. It would help to explain why so many pitchers have been experiencing blisters lately.

http://deadspin.com/is-the-uptick-in-blisters-another-sign-of-a-juiced-ball-1796992058

 

[handicappers]

Racist fat kid strikes again.

 

[Rex Racer]

There's no longer evidence to suggest that a lot of players are using PED's. I'm not sure how many have been caught among active players, but the percentage has to be VERY small.

The body types of players have normalized in a big way since the steroid boom, as have home run numbers.

There's usually about one guy every year or two we catch. Marte being most recent. Also, to suggest it's not a big deal, is just inaccurate. It ruins your image, and any chance at the HOF you may have had... etc... You will forever be associated with steroids.

If you get caught while in the minors, before moving up. Like Jose Quintana did. That's a situation where people may just genuinely not know it happened. All I can think of.

I coulda swore that I recently heard that MLB is on pace for the most home runs in one season................... ever. I can't say I agree with your assertion that the body type of pro baseball players has normalized either. Too many jacked up muscle heads for me to buy that.

 

[richig07]

I coulda swore that I recently heard that MLB is on pace for the most home runs in one season................... ever. I can't say I agree with your assertion that the body type of pro baseball players has normalized either. Too many jacked up muscle heads for me to buy that.

There's a lot of home runs this year. However, home runs has been down, A LOT this decade compared to the late-90's and early-mid 00's. 50 HR's has become a rarity again.

And there's virtually zero muscle heads in baseball. Outside of Cespedes, I cannot think of one really huge guy muscle-wise. World class athletes will of course be big. However, look at the best hitters and pitchers in the game. Sale is a stick figure. Kershaw is barely any thicker. Trout and Harper have very normal athletic builds, and have been built the same going back to their late-teens. Correa, Altuve... the best players in the game aren't big.

Since A-Rod and Fielder hit 50 in 07. We've seen only two 50 HR seasons. Nobody has hit 50 HR's in the NL, in a full decade.

Yearly League Leaders &amp Records for Home Runs | Baseball-Reference.com

League leaders have been down in the 30's.

 

[msgkings322]

And there's virtually zero muscle heads in baseball. Outside of Cespedes, I cannot think of one really huge guy muscle-wise..

Are you kidding me? Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton look like Marvel superheroes out there

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I get the sense we're going to see the revenge of the 50 dong season in the next few seasons. No evidence really- just a gut feeling with the way balls are flying.

 

[richig07]

Are you kidding me? Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton look like Marvel superheroes out there

Aaron Judge? Really? He's a 6'7 positional player dude... of course he's going to look like a freak out there. However, he's far from a "muscle head". He's well within his frame.

Stanton, yeah... he looks like a super hero. No doubt. However, has he ever not looked this way? Is there something abnormal about his build, that looks structurally strange? No.

This board continues to show it's ignorance when it comes to steroids. You think because a guy is big, it equals possible roid use? Stanton has never NOT been a freak. These are world class athletes, who train at a very high level. Of course some will be phenomenally in shape.

I also love how you use the two consensus best power hitters in the game, to illustrate a point. What a joke. I guess by your logic, the NBA isn't very tall because Steph Curry and Isiah Thomas are within the normal range of height. Show me a time in history when the leagues best power hitters didn't have some big fuckers. Lol, hilarious... just hilarious.

The game is MUCH smaller than it was 10-15 years ago, and it isn't even close.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

If I could tell who was roiding purely off of build, things would be much easier.

 

[richig07]

This board should really just stop speaking on roids.

You're all knee-jerk, mental retards on the subject. With no education on the subject of physical fitness. It's unfathomable.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

This board should really just stop speaking on roids.

You're all knee-jerk, mental retards on the subject. With no education on the subject of physical fitness. It's unfathomable.

Some like to speak before they think.

 

[richig07]

Bonds pre-majors vs roids

Aaron Judge pre-majors

Aaron Judge Majors

Morons...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Dee Gordon and no-name Padres SS with no power were obvious juicerzzz

 

[richig07]

There's a HUGE difference between a guy who has always been huge, and a guy who was skinny... and then underwent an abnormal body transformation.

A guy I even have admitted wouldn't shock me is Thames.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

God, I'd bet anything drug abuse in the NFL is much worse.

 

[msgkings322]

Aaron Judge? Really? He's a 6'7 positional player dude... of course he's going to look like a freak out there. However, he's far from a "muscle head". He's well within his frame.

Stanton, yeah... he looks like a super hero. No doubt. However, has he ever not looked this way? Is there something abnormal about his build, that looks structurally strange? No.

This board continues to show it's ignorance when it comes to steroids. You think because a guy is big, it equals possible roid use? Stanton has never NOT been a freak. These are world class athletes, who train at a very high level. Of course some will be phenomenally in shape.

I also love how you use the two consensus best power hitters in the game, to illustrate a point. What a joke. I guess by your logic, the NBA isn't very tall because Steph Curry and Isiah Thomas are within the normal range of height. Show me a time in history when the leagues best power hitters didn't have some big fuckers. Lol, hilarious... just hilarious.

The game is MUCH smaller than it was 10-15 years ago, and it isn't even close.

Cool your jets, princess. I don't actually think those guys are roiding. I was just responding to that sentence about no muscle-y dudes in MLB.

I'm about as big a Frank Thomas fan as there is and no way he roided, he was always huge. Plus he played in the heart of the roid era and was always saying he wished MLB did something about it because he knew others were and it wasn't fair to him and others.