Remember when nig/gas actually cared about PED's?

[soxfan1468927]

There's a lot of home runs this year. However, home runs has been down, A LOT this decade compared to the late-90's and early-mid 00's. 50 HR's has become a rarity again.

And there's virtually zero muscle heads in baseball. Outside of Cespedes, I cannot think of one really huge guy muscle-wise. World class athletes will of course be big. However, look at the best hitters and pitchers in the game. Sale is a stick figure. Kershaw is barely any thicker. Trout and Harper have very normal athletic builds, and have been built the same going back to their late-teens. Correa, Altuve... the best players in the game aren't big.

Since A-Rod and Fielder hit 50 in 07. We've seen only two 50 HR seasons. Nobody has hit 50 HR's in the NL, in a full decade.

Yearly League Leaders &amp Records for Home Runs | Baseball-Reference.com

League leaders have been down in the 30's.

League leaders may be down but overall HRs have been up. In 2016/2017 there will be more HRs hit than in 1999/2000. Those were the two highest HR hitting years up until these past 2 years.

 

[Omar 382]

There's no longer evidence to suggest that a lot of players are using PED's. I'm not sure how many have been caught among active players, but the percentage has to be VERY small.

The body types of players have normalized in a big way since the steroid boom, as have home run numbers.

There's usually about one guy every year or two we catch. Marte being most recent. Also, to suggest it's not a big deal, is just inaccurate. It ruins your image, and any chance at the HOF you may have had... etc... You will forever be associated with steroids.

If you get caught while in the minors, before moving up. Like Jose Quintana did. That's a situation where people may just genuinely not know it happened. All I can think of.

Just because there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest they are juicing, doesn't mean there is any evidence to suggest they aren't juicing. I know, I know, burden of proof and Russell's teapot.

I don't think body types "normalizing" is a very accurate measure of who is and isn't juicing. It's way too qualitative. The way one dude looks to me in one picture now versus the way one dude looks to me in another picture two years ago is hardly verifiable. And, as others have pointed out, players naturally do get bigger. We have actual, legitimate weight training methods, and have had them for at least 25 years. No more Honus Wagner swinging a bat under water. This further muddies the water.

My point about no one caring is that it's no longer a big thing to most people. I couldn't even remember the last dude popped for PED's until you mentioned Starling Marte. I know he's not a superstar, but he is an above-average player, and no one really gave a shit.

It's not nearly a perfect analogy, but compare that to A-Rod getting found out. Or, better yet, imagine if Trout were to fail a drug test. Some people would be disappointed, others would cry about the kids, but it would be nowhere near what happened to A-Rod. Not even close. And I believe it's because of a changing climate.

Personally, I still think somewhere around 50% of players juice in MLB. I think it's stupid to penalize the 1-2% who get caught every year. I think PED's should be allowed in MLB. (I also think all drugs should be legal in general, but that's another debate.)

It's the same argument campuses have every year regarding Adderall, Vyvanse, Focalin, etc. If a major part of the goal of college is to become more knowledgeable and intelligent about whatever topic you are learning, why not take these drugs (using the assumption that they will help you become more knowledgeable about your study)? If the goal of MLB teams is to win, why not put yourself in the best position possible to do so? And if the goal of MLB in general is to attract fans, why not allow players to improve their chances of hitting 60 home runs a year?

 

[Omar 382]

League leaders may be down but overall HRs have been up. In 2016/2017 there will be more HRs hit than in 1999/2000. Those were the two highest HR hitting years up until these past 2 years.

I read a Fangraphs article that said something like; in regards to home runs, the Mike Trout's aren't becoming the Sammy Sosa's, but the Omar Vizquel's are becoming the Freddy Galvis'.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

This board continues to show it's ignorance when it comes to steroids. You think because a guy is big, it equals possible roid use? Stanton has never NOT been a freak. These are world class athletes, who train at a very high level. Of course some will be phenomenally in shape.

You think because a guy isn't big, he's not using steroids? A lot of the guys popped for PEDs aren't particularly big.

Funny how you call the board ignorant.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

This board should really just stop speaking on roids.

You're all knee-jerk, mental retards on the subject. With no education on the subject of physical fitness. It's unfathomable.

You make me laugh, dude guy.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Bonds pre-majors vs roids

Aaron Judge pre-majors

Aaron Judge Majors

Morons...

"because Barry Bonds didn't do steroids in the minors, there's no way Aaron Judge did steroids in the minors."

Seriously, did you have a retard, egg and cheese biscuit for breakfast this morning?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

God, I'd bet anything drug abuse in the NFL is much worse.

Probably.

I generally assume that 75-80% of ALL professional athletes are on some kind of PED.

 

[Rex Racer]

This board should really just stop speaking on roids.

You're all knee-jerk, mental retards on the subject. With no education on the subject of physical fitness. It's unfathomable.

Wanna bet?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Probably.

I generally assume that 75-80% of ALL professional athletes are on some kind of PED.

yup, no doubt about it

 

[Rex Racer]

You think because a guy isn't big, he's not using steroids? A lot of the guys popped for PEDs aren't particularly big.

Funny how you call the board ignorant.

The main benefit of using steroids is "healing". If you are an avid weightlifter, the roids will help heal your broken down muscle tissue faster so you can back in weight room quicker and resume your training more effectively. Thus, you are likely to get more muscle mass, more quickly than if you otherwise didn't take them. If you are not an avid weightlifter, the steroids will help heal the bumps and strains associated with playing professional baseball 162 games in 6 months,

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The main benefit of using steroids is "healing". If you are an avid weightlifter, the roids will help heal your broken down muscle tissue faster so you can back in weight room quicker and resume your training more effectively. Thus, you are likely to get more muscle mass, more quickly than if you otherwise didn't take them. If you are not an avid weightlifter, the steroids will help heal the bumps and strains associated with playing professional baseball 162 games in 6 months,

Sorry to break it to you, old pal, but you're ignorant.

Rich told me that unless a player looks like this guy, he's probably just drinking milk and eating broccoli.

 

[richig07]

"because Barry Bonds didn't do steroids in the minors, there's no way Aaron Judge did steroids in the minors."

Seriously, did you have a retard, egg and cheese biscuit for breakfast this morning?

Are you a fucking retard? Seriously?

You just should stop. Aaron Judge has always been a freak. Here's high school, you jagaloon.

 

[richig07]

Sorry to break it to you, old pal, but you're ignorant.

Rich told me that unless a player looks like this guy, he's probably just drinking milk and eating broccoli.

No one said that the main use of steroids wasn't healing, you fucking nothing. You're advancing a straw-man, because you have no argument.

No one said you had to be gigantic to be on steroids either. However, you're intentionally creating a scenario where you can just accuse EVERYONE and ANYONE of being on steroids. For no reason. Not big? Steroids! Big? Steroids!

If a guy has seen zero body transformation, and you have no other reason to believe he's juicing. What basis are you claiming that he's on steroids?

Find a fucking reason to accuse somebody of steroids before you do so, you loser. That's all.

The fact that you have to be dishonest in this argument, shows that you have nothing.

You people are literal retards. You think performing well = possible steroids. Unfathomable stupidity.

 

[richig07]

Probably.

I generally assume that 75-80% of ALL professional athletes are on some kind of PED.

LMAO.... based off of what? God, this is hilarious.

 

[richig07]

I read a Fangraphs article that said something like; in regards to home runs, the Mike Trout's aren't becoming the Sammy Sosa's, but the Omar Vizquel's are becoming the Freddy Galvis'.

That's a great way of putting it.

 

[williewilliejuan]

Are you a fucking retard? Seriously?

You just should stop. Aaron Judge has always been a freak. Here's high school, you jagaloon.

So? I graduated from high school nearly 30 years ago and I had classmates who took steroids. Shit hasn't gotten less available.

 

[black francis]

Dee Gordon and no-name Padres SS with no power were obvious juicerzzz

So was Alex Cole

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

"because Barry Bonds didn't do steroids in the minors, there's no way Aaron Judge did steroids in the minors."

Seriously, did you have a retard, egg and cheese biscuit for breakfast this morning?

Testing in the minors is more stringent than bigs. No union.

 

[richig07]

Just because there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest they are juicing, doesn't mean there is any evidence to suggest they aren't juicing. I know, I know, burden of proof and Russell's teapot.

I don't think body types "normalizing" is a very accurate measure of who is and isn't juicing. It's way too qualitative. The way one dude looks to me in one picture now versus the way one dude looks to me in another picture two years ago is hardly verifiable. And, as others have pointed out, players naturally do get bigger. We have actual, legitimate weight training methods, and have had them for at least 25 years. No more Honus Wagner swinging a bat under water. This further muddies the water.

My point about no one caring is that it's no longer a big thing to most people. I couldn't even remember the last dude popped for PED's until you mentioned Starling Marte. I know he's not a superstar, but he is an above-average player, and no one really gave a shit.

It's not nearly a perfect analogy, but compare that to A-Rod getting found out. Or, better yet, imagine if Trout were to fail a drug test. Some people would be disappointed, others would cry about the kids, but it would be nowhere near what happened to A-Rod. Not even close. And I believe it's because of a changing climate.

Personally, I still think somewhere around 50% of players juice in MLB. I think it's stupid to penalize the 1-2% who get caught every year. I think PED's should be allowed in MLB. (I also think all drugs should be legal in general, but that's another debate.)

It's the same argument campuses have every year regarding Adderall, Vyvanse, Focalin, etc. If a major part of the goal of college is to become more knowledgeable and intelligent about whatever topic you are learning, why not take these drugs (using the assumption that they will help you become more knowledgeable about your study)? If the goal of MLB teams is to win, why not put yourself in the best position possible to do so? And if the goal of MLB in general is to attract fans, why not allow players to improve their chances of hitting 60 home runs a year?

I know he's not a superstar, but he is an above-average player, and no one really gave a shit.

Define not giving a shit? Because I assure you, if he was a guy who was going to go up for the HOF (he's not). He blew his shot.

it would be nowhere near what happened to A-Rod. Not even close. And I believe it's because of a changing climate.

A-Rod was a different animal. Already hated beforehand, a Yankee... etc... There was a lot of big names being taken down, who had already established hall of fame careers. It was an insane time. Baseball has largely separated themselves from all of that. However, I believe if Trout was caught. It would be the biggest one of all. The league's poster boy is tarnished, and it would show that the league has not fixed it's problem nearly as much as we had thought. I think it would come back on them ten-fold.

If the goal of MLB teams is to win, why not put yourself in the best position possible to do so? And if the goal of MLB in general is to attract fans, why not allow players to improve their chances of hitting 60 home runs a year?

I am very pro-steroids. I'm just paying to sit in the yard, and watch balls fly over my head. What do I care what makes it go out?

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

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