Rating the Giants Starters

[gp956]

We probably all remember the just a month or so ago, two to three of the Giants starters were rated as #1's, with only Wellemeyer falling out of the #2 category.

Currently:


Cain---------#1
Sanchez------#2
Lincecum-----#3
Bumgarner----#3
Zito---------#3

 

[Heathbar012]

Not that the current make-up is expected or desirable, but a one, a two and three threes is still a much better rotation than most MLB teams. Filo made a good point in the other thread about this putting more stress on the bullpen. September call-ups can't come quick enough.

 

[gp956]

Not that the current make-up is expected or desirable, but a one, a two and three threes is still a much better rotation than most MLB teams. Filo made a good point in the other thread about this putting more stress on the bullpen. September call-ups can't come quick enough.

It's still really good overall, but what isn't is the split needed to drop from great to really good. BTW, forgot to mention these ratings are based on ERA.

 

[calsnowskier]

GP, is it easy for you to do the same for the other pitching-rich teams in the NL? Namely SD, Atl, Phi and StL?

 

[gp956]

GP, is it easy for you to do the same for the other pitching-rich teams in the NL? Namely SD, Atl, Phi and StL?

I haven't scripted it, but once I got the list for the Giants, I can sort then cut-paste the other teams:



Rating Name Team Starts W-L% ERA
1 Tim Hudson ATL 27 0.75 2.24
2 Kris Medlen ATL 14 0.75 3.68
3 Jair Jurrjens ATL 16 0.556 4.36
3 Mike Minor* ATL 3 1 4
3 Tommy Hanson ATL 27 0.444 3.76
4 Derek Lowe ATL 28 0.478 4.53
4 Kenshin Kawakami ATL 15 0.1 4.75


1 J.A. Happ* PHI 3 1 1.76
1 Roy Halladay PHI 27 0.64 2.22
1 Roy Oswalt PHI 6 0.75 2.18
2 Cole Hamels* PHI 27 0.444 3.31
2 Nelson Figueroa PHI 1 0.667 3.46
4 Jamie Moyer* PHI 19 0.5 4.84
4 Joe Blanton PHI 22 0.5 5.15
4 Kyle Kendrick PHI 25 0.533 4.64


1 Chris Young SDP 1 1 0
1 Mat Latos SDP 24 0.722 2.29
1 Tim Stauffer SDP 1 0.6 1.4
2 Clayton Richard* SDP 27 0.667 3.5
2 Jon Garland SDP 27 0.591 3.29
3 Wade LeBlanc* SDP 24 0.421 3.86
5 Kevin Correia SDP 25 0.526 5.29


1 Adam Wainwright STL 28 0.654 2.3
1 Brad Penny STL 9 0.429 3.23
1 Chris Carpenter STL 28 0.778 2.93
1 Jaime Garcia* STL 25 0.667 2.33
3 Jake Westbrook STL 5 0.333 4.06
3 Jeff Suppan STL 8 0.2 4.14
4 Blake Hawksworth STL 8 0.333 5.13
5 Adam Ottavino STL 3 0 8.46
5 Kyle Lohse STL 12 0.25 7.12
5 P.J. Walters STL 2 1 7.11

 

[calsnowskier]

It's haven't scripted it, but once I got the list for the Giants I can sort then cut-paste the other teams:



Rating Name Team Starts W-L% ERA
1 Tim Hudson ATL 27 0.75 2.24
2 Kris Medlen ATL 14 0.75 3.68
3 Jair Jurrjens ATL 16 0.556 4.36
3 Mike Minor* ATL 3 1 4
3 Tommy Hanson ATL 27 0.444 3.76
4 Derek Lowe ATL 28 0.478 4.53
4 Kenshin Kawakami ATL 15 0.1 4.75


1 J.A. Happ* PHI 3 1 1.76
1 Roy Halladay PHI 27 0.64 2.22
1 Roy Oswalt PHI 6 0.75 2.18
2 Cole Hamels* PHI 27 0.444 3.31
2 Nelson Figueroa PHI 1 0.667 3.46
4 Jamie Moyer* PHI 19 0.5 4.84
4 Joe Blanton PHI 22 0.5 5.15
4 Kyle Kendrick PHI 25 0.533 4.64


1 Chris Young SDP 1 1 0
1 Mat Latos SDP 24 0.722 2.29
1 Tim Stauffer SDP 1 0.6 1.4
2 Clayton Richard* SDP 27 0.667 3.5
2 Jon Garland SDP 27 0.591 3.29
3 Wade LeBlanc* SDP 24 0.421 3.86
5 Kevin Correia SDP 25 0.526 5.29


1 Adam Wainwright STL 28 0.654 2.3
1 Brad Penny STL 9 0.429 3.23
1 Chris Carpenter STL 28 0.778 2.93
1 Jaime Garcia* STL 25 0.667 2.33
3 Jake Westbrook STL 5 0.333 4.06
3 Jeff Suppan STL 8 0.2 4.14
4 Blake Hawksworth STL 8 0.333 5.13
5 Adam Ottavino STL 3 0 8.46
5 Kyle Lohse STL 12 0.25 7.12
5 P.J. Walters STL 2 1 7.11

Wow...

Despite the recent wo's, the Giants have still put up the best rotation, 1-5, in the NL...

 

[gp956]

Pulling short timers from the list:


Rating Name Team
1 Tim Hudson ATL
2 Kris Medlen ATL
3 Jair Jurrjens ATL
3 Tommy Hanson ATL
4 Derek Lowe ATL
4 Kenshin Kawakami ATL

1 Roy Halladay PHI
1 Roy Oswalt PHI
2 Cole Hamels* PHI
4 Jamie Moyer* PHI
4 Joe Blanton PHI
4 Kyle Kendrick PHI

1 Mat Latos SDP
2 Clayton Richard* SDP
2 Jon Garland SDP
3 Wade LeBlanc* SDP
5 Kevin Correia SDP

1 Adam Wainwright STL
1 Brad Penny STL
1 Chris Carpenter STL
1 Jaime Garcia* STL
5 Kyle Lohse STL

 

[gp956]

Wow...

Despite the recent wo's, the Giants have still put up the best rotation, 1-5, in the NL...

With the spot starters removed, Stl looks like they're the best. Then a toss up between SF and SD.

 

[gp956]

At the very least you can say STL is going to be tough to beat in a seven game series. Although never count out LaRussa to make his team too tight.

 

[calsnowskier]

With the spot starters removed, Stl looks like they're the best. Then a toss up between SF and SD.

I dont mean to argue petty points, but you included Penny (1) while excluding Supan (3) and Hawksworth (4) who each only had 1 fewer start than Penny. They also had a revolving door for their true #5, which adds a lot of stress to the whole team never being confident with whom ever is pitching that fifth day, regardless how they actually performed.

the Giants have only used 7 starters this year. That needs to be factored in, I believe.

 

[gp956]

I dont mean to argue petty points, but you included Penny (1) while excluding Supan (3) and Hawksworth (4) who each only had 1 fewer start than Penny. They also had a revolving door for their true #5, which adds a lot of stress to the whole team never being confident with whom ever is pitching that fifth day, regardless how they actually performed.

the Giants have only used 7 starters this year. That needs to be factored in, I believe.

Yep, my take wasn't anything more than a very crude excising of spot starters.

 

[calsnowskier]

Yep, my take wasn't anything more than a very crude excising of spot starters.

I understand that, I just have the shit the flowerbed...

 

[tzill]

I understand that, I just have the shit the flowerbed...

What good is a flowerbed if you can't shit it now and then?

 

[gp956]

I understand that, I just have the shit the flowerbed...