Series Thread: Rangers Travel to Minnesota for 4 Games August 24-27

[scotsman1948]

If they continue to play this poorly in all aspects of the game for much longer, somebody will get fired. They’re not really this bad. Nobody is. They are in a collective mental funk to where they can’t perform even basic tasks.

No team can keep getting swept series after series without the axe falling on someone.

They are really this bad

 

[WilltheThrill]

They are really this bad

No, they aren’t. You’re suggesting they’re actually the worst team in all of baseball and one of the worst in recent history, but they managed to play to first place in the division and best run differential in all of baseball for 4 whole months. You think a team is as bad as you say they really are could play as well as they did for as long as they did?

Ok, sure. The 4 months of excellence were just a mirage but these last 2-3 weeks is the real truth.

 

[DT LUNA]

Four reasons we are losing:
1. DeGrom
2. Odorizzi
3. Eovaldi
4. Bullpen

 

[saddles]

 

[True Rangers Fan]

No, they aren’t. You’re suggesting they’re actually the worst team in all of baseball and one of the worst in recent history, but they managed to play to first place in the division and best run differential in all of baseball for 4 whole months. You think a team is as bad as you say they really are could play as well as they did for as long as they did?

Ok, sure. The 4 months of excellence were just a mirage but these last 2-3 weeks is the real truth.

You don't get credit for May in September.

 

[saddles]

To play this bad after a meeting with Bochy makes one wonder if the team has turned against him for some reason. Not saying they have, but it sure makes one wonder.

 

[DT LUNA]

To play this bad after a meeting with Bochy makes one wonder if the team has turned against him for some reason. Not saying they have, but it sure makes one wonder.

Wait and ask @Nightcrawler lol

 

[saddles]

A team that plays this bad for this long has no business being in the postseason.

 

[jaar01]

Well right now we are the worst team in baseball. No exaggeration. The Rangers are just awful at this point.

But I think we win tomorrow.

 

[Kelleyman]

A team that plays this bad for this long has no business being in the postseason.

Yet even if they don’t deserve it I want them to get postseason experience at a minimum

 

[scotsman1948]

I think they need to rattle some cages maybe a mass send down to the minors. Pick 4 or 5 send them down and call up Harris, huff, etc

 

[WilltheThrill]

You don't get credit for May in September.

It’s not about “getting credit”. It’s about how good or bad the team REALLY is. Not how they’re currently playing, how good they really are when they’re not mired in a complete slump.

We can all plainly see how poorly they have been playing for the last 14 days. That is no mystery. They have looked like one of the worst teams in baseball. But the reality is that they’re not ACTUALLY this bad. If they were actually this bad, they wouldn’t have the record they do. It would be impossible.

I’m not saying these losses don’t somehow count. I’m simply saying it’s ridiculous to suggest 2 weeks worth of pathetic play somehow outweighs 4 months of terrific play.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

It’s not about “getting credit”. It’s about how good or bad the team REALLY is. Not how they’re currently playing, how good they really are when they’re not mired in a complete slump.

We can all plainly see how poorly they have been playing for the last 14 days. That is no mystery. They have looked like one of the worst teams in baseball. But the reality is that they’re not ACTUALLY this bad. If they were actually this bad, they wouldn’t have the record they do. It would be impossible.

I’m not saying these losses don’t somehow count. I’m simply saying it’s ridiculous to suggest 2 weeks worth of pathetic play somehow outweighs 4 months of terrific play.

The calendar matters. The 2012 Rangers were the best team the AL, record wise, right up until they coughed up a 5 game lead in 9 games, and got bounced out of the WC game.

If you want to hang your hat on a great record for 2/3 of the season, more power to you.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Four reasons we are losing:
1. DeGrom
2. Odorizzi
3. Eovaldi
4. Bullpen

For me, it's:

1. Nate Lowe's dumb face
2. CY hates the bullpen
3. Bochy hates all the young players
4. Resting that one guy that one day which somehow affected the entire lineup forever

 

[DT LUNA]

This is a badly injured team not a bad team. To be fair we have lost five players that account for the slide we are in. DeGrom Odorizzi Eovaldi is a huge loss not to mention losing Jung (ROY) and Heim for the most part. Combine that with a sorry BP and it adds up but the rest of the team can not possibly keep us winning the way they were.

 

[WilltheThrill]

The calendar matters. The 2012 Rangers were the best team the AL, record wise, right up until they coughed up a 5 game lead in 9 games, and got bounced out of the WC game.

If you want to hang your hat on a great record for 2/3 of the season, more power to you.

You still don’t get it, somehow. I’m not hanging my hat on anything. I’m not predicting playoffs success or saying we’re some elite team. I’m saying we’re NOT the worst team in baseball. We’re not actually as bad as the last 14 days have shown. Why is that hard to understand?

Others are quitting on the team, saying we have no chance, we’re done, etc. That is dealing in absolutes. I am simply saying we’re better than we’ve shown lately and I’m not abandoning all hope.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

You still don’t get it, somehow. I’m not hanging my hat on anything. I’m not predicting playoffs success or saying we’re some elite team. I’m saying we’re NOT the worst team in baseball. We’re not actually as bad as the last 14 days have shown. Why is that hard to understand?

Others are quitting on the team, saying we have no chance, we’re done, etc. That is dealing in absolutes. I am simply saying we’re better than we’ve shown lately and I’m not abandoning all hope.

I think we all understand your point, it's just that it's completely worthless.

saying that the Rangers are better than their recent play means absolutely nothing. They've almost completely wiped out their 12-2 start to the month. They could be in third place Monday morning. What is the point of saying "they're a better team than this?"

l

 

[Kelleyman]

I am hoping Scherzer bulldog and mental toughness inspires the team tomorrow

Also hoping for a KC win to buy us time

 

[saddles]

As wildly as this team has swung to such opposite sides on the pendulum, it is perfectly natural for different people to view the team completely different. Some can see a team good enough to win the division. Some can see a team that has no chance at the postseason. Others see various spots in between.

Every opinion can be justified by the person holding that opinion. As a group, we need to realize that. There are so many pieces of information to look at, some of which seems to disprove the other.

In this situation, others are going to strongly disagree and think they have a valid reason.

My opinion is that this team is toast. Others with very strong reasons are going to disagree. That is fine with me. I understand why they feel that way. I just feel as strongly as they do, but with the opposite opinion.

All I know, is that this is one of the strangest Rangers seasons that I have ever followed, and I have followed them all.

It might be better to attempt to be civil while we disagree. I understand how difficult that can be though.

 

[WilltheThrill]

I think we all understand your point, it's just that it's completely worthless.

saying that the Rangers are better than their recent play means absolutely nothing. They've almost completely wiped out their 12-2 start to the month. They could be in third place Monday morning. What is the point of saying "they're a better team than this?"

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First off, not everyone does understand that. It’s right there in black and white. Scotsman is arguing we actually are the worst team in baseball. We’re not.

Furthermore, a team’s ACTUAL talent is more predictive of future play and results than poor play during a 2-week slump. You are writing off the team’s chances based on their CURRENT play. You somehow think this play will continue indefinitely, we will be in 3rd place, and we don’t stand any chance in the playoffs because we aren’t playing well right now.

You ask “what is the point of saying we’re better than this”? The point is that there are still 34 games left in the season, and 4 months’ worth of success suggests we will right the ship at some point in that time before the playoffs start.

Let me ask you a return question- what is the point of saying we wouldn’t stand a chance in the playoffs if they started today? They don’t. Talk about a worthless talking point.