Rangers Trade Michael Del Zotto To Preds

[Johnnydollaz89]

Except Klein is nothing special either if you wanted an average d-man that is right handed I'm sure you could have gotten one without giving up DZ. Also our biggest need is lack of offense which now has gotten worst because Klein doesn't put up points.

Their asking price for DZ from Colorado was at least a first round pick, nobody was going to give that up. DZ killed his own value with his lack of hustle and effort. He was never going to hit his true potential here in NY. If he does it in Nashville, so be it. Let them lock him to a long-term contract with money he doesn't deserve. Rather save the money to lock up Girardi and Callahan.

 

[DevilishWon]

He has no ties to the team and is just a fan blogger, I know Kevin, trust me.

/bashing of Rangers

Are we talking about Larry Brooks again????

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Are we talking about Larry Brooks again????

Surprisingly not.

 

[David_son]

Their asking price for DZ from Colorado was at least a first round pick, nobody was going to give that up. DZ killed his own value with his lack of hustle and effort. He was never going to hit his true potential here in NY. If he does it in Nashville, so be it. Let them lock him to a long-term contract with money he doesn't deserve. Rather save the money to lock up Girardi and Callahan.

That doesn't mean you had to give him away you could have gotten a second for him and put Falk into the lineup.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Rangers should've done this trade before this season when Del Zotto was putting up good numbers. They were desperate to get rid of him this season and as a result they had to take whatever they could get. Hope Sather isn't into stocks, he seems to buy high and trade low quite a bit.

 

[David_son]

Rangers should've done this trade before this season when Del Zotto was putting up good numbers. They were desperate to get rid of him this season and as a result they had to take whatever they could get. Hope Sather isn't into stocks, he seems to buy high and trade low quite a bit.

Sather is generally good at trades like gomez for MCD. Rangers lost this trade in a landslide though.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Sather is generally good at trades like gomez for MCD. Rangers lost this trade in a landslide though.

True, Ryan McDonagh was a good trade. At the same time, I look at the motivation for trading Gaborik and I notice he trades these players at the worst time for the wrong reasons. I won't say who won or lost this trade just yet, but I think Del Zotto has more upsides at this stage of his career than Klein has ever shown at any point in his career.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I dont know how anyone can say Vigneault played no role in this ... he completely buried Del Ballard ... It was Keith Ballard all over again ( i called this happening a couple weeks into the season - lol )... its like he made the determination that he didnt like his style ... too freewheeling and it needed to be squelched ... He did a great job destroying Del Ballards asset value ... Im surprised AV didnt trade him for Aaron Rome

this was Del Ballards lowest ice time per game of his career and his lowest pp time per game in a number of years

So now he has Klein who is more off the glass and out safe (but so is every other Rags defenseman it seems) Theyll make wonderful music together

meanwhile, I can envision Trotz trying the left / right combo of Weber / Del Zotto eventually. Theyll probably get put together as a first unit pp tandem and it will grow from there. Weber can be the safety valve and MDZ can freewheel

win > Nashville

 

[DragonfromTO]

Think Klein is being severely underrated here.

That's great, but without stating any reasons or any evidence for them I don't know why I should give this statement any credence.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

That's great, but without stating any reasons or any evidence for them I don't know why I should give this statement any credence.

yah ... i was going based on a good playoff series he (i thought) had ... but after you mentioned yesterday and then looking at his numbers ... nothing saves him ... not even QoC lol

he has a low PDO ... things can only get better lol

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

That's great, but without stating any reasons or any evidence for them I don't know why I should give this statement any credence.

Okay fine, i'll back it up to back my opinion.

Since the 09-10 season he's pretty much been a 20 minute a night player. 19:55 in 09-10, 20:47 in 10-11, 19:56 in 11-12, 20:25 in 12-13. 18:48 this year. He's had the odd injury but nothing that's kept him out of the lineup for more than a couple weeks.

525 hits and 725 blocked shots in 403 games. Torts would like that. 110 penalty minutes in 403 games including 8 five minute majors for fighting. So 70 minutes of minor penalties (or 35 minors altogether) in 403 games or about one minor penalty per 11 and a half games he plays. He seems to be involved physically--hits, blocked shots and infrequent fights (which he's pretty good at) but stays out of the penalty box. Conclusion--he's a disciplined physical player.

Good enough?

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

That doesn't mean you had to give him away you could have gotten a second for him and put Falk into the lineup.

Klein right now is more valuable and a better assest to our team than a 2nd round pick. Justin Falk should be NOWHERE near the lineup. Klein is better in every aspect of the game than Falk.

 

[DragonfromTO]

yah ... i was going based on a good playoff series he (i thought) had ... but after you mentioned yesterday and then looking at his numbers ... nothing saves him ... not even QoC lol

he has a low PDO ... things can only get better lol

Yeah, he's been terrible and he's also signed for 4 more years. His PDO has been bad so his +/- probably underrates him a little, but that's like being 4'2" and growing an inch... you still can't reach the shelf.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

I dont know how anyone can say Vigneault played no role in this ... he completely buried Del Ballard ... It was Keith Ballard all over again ( i called this happening a couple weeks into the season - lol )... its like he made the determination that he didnt like his style ... too freewheeling and it needed to be squelched ... He did a great job destroying Del Ballards asset value ... Im surprised AV didnt trade him for Aaron Rome

this was Del Ballards lowest ice time per game of his career and his lowest pp time per game in a number of years

So now he has Klein who is more off the glass and out safe (but so is every other Rags defenseman it seems) Theyll make wonderful music together

meanwhile, I can envision Trotz trying the left / right combo of Weber / Del Zotto eventually. Theyll probably get put together as a first unit pp tandem and it will grow from there. Weber can be the safety valve and MDZ can freewheel

win > Nashville

When Del Zotto gets nearly 5M a season and his production doesn't match his contract, you wont be saying that.

In all honesty, I never had a problem with DZ. I like the trade, think both teams fair well from it.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

When Del Zotto gets nearly 5M a season and his production doesn't match his contract, you wont be saying that.

In all honesty, I never had a problem with DZ. I like the trade, think both teams fair well from it.

i doubt hes getting 5 with any term as an rfa ... Vigneault has sufficiently suppressed his value

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I think the Preds got the better player, but the Rangers got the type of player they needed. MDZ has a lot more upsides than KK, but I think KK can bring a sense of balance to the Rangers' defensive parings.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Okay fine, i'll back it up to back my opinion.

Since the 09-10 season he's pretty much been a 20 minute a night player. 19:55 in 09-10, 20:47 in 10-11, 19:56 in 11-12, 20:25 in 12-13. 18:48 this year. He's had the odd injury but nothing that's kept him out of the lineup for more than a couple weeks.

525 hits and 725 blocked shots in 403 games. Torts would like that. 110 penalty minutes in 403 games including 8 five minute majors for fighting. So 70 minutes of minor penalties (or 35 minors altogether) in 403 games or about one minor penalty per 11 and a half games he plays. He seems to be involved physically--hits, blocked shots and infrequent fights (which he's pretty good at) but stays out of the penalty box. Conclusion--he's a disciplined physical player.

Good enough?

I'm not Torts and Torts isn't the Rangers coach anymore, so I'm not sure why his opinion would matter in this discussion.

Hits and blocked shots are generally overrated and misinterpreted. Both of them are things that largely only happen (especially for defensemen) when something bad is already happening, the other team has the puck. In the case of blocked shots, the other team has the puck in the offensive zone with control and a halfway decent look at the net. I want guys who control the puck in the first place, so that they don't have to spend all of their time hitting and blocking shots.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

i doubt hes getting 5 with any term as an rfa ... Vigneault has sufficiently suppressed his value

It's not just AV, i'm tired of seeing people blame him, he wasn't all that special under Torts either. Guy plays no defense whatsoever, is soft on the puck, makes terrible reads, outlet passes rarely work. Did not fair well on the PP at all. He was supposed to be such a great player moving the puck, exact opposite.

I'm starting to think people just listen to what they hear rather than actually see it. Take it from somebody who has watched Del Zotto's every game for the last 4+ years. Guy shows no effort and hustle at all out there. He ran himself out of town with his poor play.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

I'm not Torts and Torts isn't the Rangers coach anymore, so I'm not sure why his opinion would matter in this discussion.

Hits and blocked shots are generally overrated and misinterpreted. Both of them are things that largely only happen (especially for defensemen) when something bad is already happening, the other team has the puck. In the case of blocked shots, the other team has the puck in the offensive zone with control and a halfway decent look at the net. I want guys who control the puck in the first place, so that they don't have to spend all of their time hitting and blocking shots.

Just simply stating why he will fit in here.

 

[David_son]

Klein right now is more valuable and a better assest to our team than a 2nd round pick. Justin Falk should be NOWHERE near the lineup. Klein is better in every aspect of the game than Falk.

And that is your opinion but the numbers dont back it up. Numbers say they are the same player.