Random NFL talk

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Goff's revitalization was siimply amazing to me and I have always given the Lions credit. But I just see more upside with Caleb than Bird Face. But you did make a really good point.

Completely agree about Goff and the Lions and I like the fact it's a new team in the mix for a title. Fell short this year and it happens but seem to be in great shape for the next several years.

Bears was the correct choice in terms of Caleb is younger than TL and has weapons around him. A solid draft and his offensive playbook could/should get the Bears at least into the WC mix to start.

 

[wilwhite]

Josh McDaniels headed back to New England to be Vrabel's OC.

Saw something about that recently and it's official.

That's sad.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Trent Baalke FINALLY out in JAX.

How that dude kept his job as long as he did defies logic. It would also defy logic if he ever got another GM gig.

Raiders it is then!!!!

@DJ Fieri

 

[DJ Fieri]

Raiders it is then!!!!

@DJ Fieri

They already hired their new GM.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

They already hired their new GM.

 

[shopson67]

I have yet to see a Bears fans admit that their team took the wrong QB. Was it necessary for Caleb to have a Bryce Young season? I had noticed it so I went searching Bears sites and forums, it's amazing how much in denial they are.

They took the right guy. They just needed to weed out the problems with the coaching staff. Hopefully they actually address the offensive line next.

 

[shopson67]

Williams can still end up better than Daniels. Like I said, from a fans standpoint you can still like the Caleb Williams pick. From a front office standpoint, they screwed up.

They waited too long to address the coaching issues. That slate should've been wiped clean BEFORE Caleb came to town.

 

[shopson67]

I understand all of this. I can also come up with examples to support my position. A ton of them.

Of course I realize things can change. There have been a whole lot of QBs who flashed early and didn't pan out. But are there any that played as well as Daniels has and then flamed out? I can't think of any, can you? RGIII was never the complete player that Daniels is so please don't go there.
But there are a ton of QBs who showed potential, who people believed just needed better coaching and they still didn't make it.

So to me the bottom line is this as I said: Caleb Williams may be a great QB someday and I hope he is. Jayden Daniels is already a great QB. So why is everyone afraid to acknowldege this?

Just be happy with your QB, he was a great pick. Doesn't mean you have to shit on everyone else. Caleb was the #1 pick without discussion. Let's not forget that Daniels was a super senior with extra experience.

 

[shopson67]

I don't think anyone has played as well as Daniels in their rookie season and then flamed out, but that doesn't mean that Williams won't surpass him in year 2 or year 3. If there was a re-Draft today Williams wouldn't be picked at #1, but that's true of a lot of #1 picks. It doesn't automatically mean those picks were a mistake.

(cough)RGKnee(cough)

 

[shopson67]

As I said I set my self up by going out on a limb. And clearly Daniels set the bar so high a regression is probaby inevitiable. But even with Stroud's regression and Bryce Young's improvement the truth is CJ Streoud was still a better QB than Bryce Young was in 2023 and I think that point is important here.

Again did we give the Young/Stroud thing 3 years? Why is this different?

Stroud certainly fell off in his 2nd year. He also was drafted by the much more competent and competitive team. I'm personally giving Young more time before I call him a bust. He looked pretty good at times this year without much help around him beyond his holdover RB (that was supposed to be phased out by a rookie that couldn't get on or stay on the field).

 

[shopson67]

Goff's revitalization was siimply amazing to me and I have always given the Lions credit. But I just see more upside with Caleb than Bird Face. But you did make a really good point.

Goff's success has been easy to explain; the Lions OL. He wasn't terrible for the Rams, he just wasn't a big game player and couldn't do what McVay wanted out of him. He hasn't really shed that yet.

 

[shopson67]

That's sad.

Just when you think the Patriots are making good decisions....

 

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(cough)RGKnee(cough)

That was my initial reaction as well, but he'd already been brought up in the conversation so it would have been repetition. There was also an argument that RG3 was curtailed by injury rather than flaming out. There are multiple QBs who had decent 1st seasons but didn't progress any further. There's also the point that just because a great rookie season hasn't flamed out before doesn't mean that it couldn't happen to Daniels. However, I don't see it as a fight and even if it was a fight a wouldn't have a dog in it. Daniels has had a great start and i'm going to leave it at that.