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Aaron would probably play with a broken arm, if need be.
For all of you out of the area, you are likely missing out on the local post game shows. It's always great to see past Rams' hero's on the show.

This week they had Flipper Anderson on, but we always get a good dose of Vince Ferragamo, and Jackie Slater, as they are staples to the show.

Seems like the subject of playing with injuries comes up almost every post game, and the two reminisce, Jackie and Vince, talk about it on their playing days.

No more this year however than the post game where Jack Young Blood and Ronnie Lott joined the show. (Ronnie was a local kid out of the Inland Empire here about an hour East of LA)

It's really great, but I never knew Vince was such a bad ass, and well Jackie, as tough as he was, makes it extremely clear, if the Doctor said he needed to sit out to heal, there was no way he would tell the trainer just to tape it up.

:lol:

Both Ronnie and Jack called for the trainers tape, and I guess Vinny went out there bandaged up to the hilt too, as Jackie boasts, Vinny just sits there just beaming with pride...

Wish all of you could see these post game local shows, as I do, I record them all as a matter of fact, because it's really entertaining!!
 

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Goff doesn't play ST Red, so not exactly...

Ball Security by the entire team needs to be the Rams No. 1 Focus!

Interesting enough, Goff has the same number of INT's as Russell Wilson and Goff has more attempts.

I guess it's easy to look the other way, when you throw nearly twice as many TD as the Rams QB, but Metcalf and Lockett have a lot to do with that too!

What you think about this stat hoser?

 

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What you think about this stat hoser?

Do you just not get it?

It took a full regular season with JW off for these two other QB's to pass him by 1 INT, right? That's 16 more games...

We need better OL play, and then our run game, and our play action will give our great route runner WR's in Woods & Cupp, time to get open. We don't have that WR burner to take the top off since Sammy Watkins, and that stress causes turnovers, and I know you know this b/c that's why you were such a fan of Sammy.

Goff is not the QB for us if we expect below average OL play, I agree to that hoser....

But give the dude, who we drafted, the time he needs, and he is that QB who can be who we want.

All pocket passer offenses know this, look no further than NO who cut their 3X Pro Bowler offensive lineman this year, because he was slipping on Pass Pro.

That Guard would be an upgrade to our OL without a doubt and we should think about bringing the FA in for a possible fit.....

Still not good enough for that aging and future HOFer pocket Passer there in New Orleans.
 

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Look @SJ76 , Goff is not the ideal QB to get your team the Lombardi Trophy, but he is who he is.

Is he my ideal QB, no but he is the Rams QB and I do think behind the right assets, he can be that guy. When he was drafted, the pocket passer was the blue print to get there. Since then, we've all seen just too many dual threat QB's prosper more than ever in the NFL. Mahomes nearly fits that mold and early on did, and is still regarded as a dual threat. (He just has more arm skills, and game savvy than most other dual threat QB options out there, but he is no pocket passer and is the reigning SB QB Champion!

Yes the game is changing, it always has, but we sunk good draft stock in Goff ~5-6 years ago, and then good Cap space later ~1-2 years ago too.

Neither you nor I can help that, it is what it is.

That said, you can't ask a Tiger to change his stripes, and when you put your Cap to defense, in the way of Donald and Ramsey, and you miss on other guys like Gurley, something has to give, and unfortunately for Goff it's been the OL, and with Gurley gone, it's absolutely killed our running game.

Thank God for the emergence of your boy Cam, but we would be lost without him, even then, Cam struggled for relevence without the big boy Whitworth starting....

It's all about dynamics my man, and not about who I'm a hoser on at QB...
 

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Do you just not get it?

It took a full regular season with JW off for these two other QB's to pass him by 1 INT, right? That's 16 more games...

We need better OL play, and then our run game, and our play action will give our great route runner WR's in Woods & Cupp, time to get open. We don't have that WR burner to take the top off since Sammy Watkins, and that stress causes turnovers, and I know you know this b/c that's why you were such a fan of Sammy.

Goff is not the QB for us if we expect below average OL play, I agree to that hoser....

But give the dude, who we drafted, the time he needs, and he is that QB who can be who we want.

All pocket passer offenses know this, look no further than NO who cut their 3X Pro Bowler offensive lineman this year, because he was slipping on Pass Pro.

That Guard would be an upgrade to our OL without a doubt and we should think about bringing the FA in for a possible fit.....

Still not good enough for that aging and future HOFer pocket Passer there in New Orleans.

So the most turnovers by a QB since 2019 started and no accountability. Just all Oline. Got it
 

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Interesting take here



3. LOS ANGELES RAMS

It is safe to say that the Rams got the bounce-back season they badly needed from their offensive line following the disaster that was the 2019 season for Los Angeles up front.

There really wasn’t a whole lot of movement from the Rams this past offseason to add to the group, so the change centered around improvement from the players who were already on the roster. Andrew Whitworth improved his PFF grade by 16 points before his injury, while Austin Blythe’s and Austin Corbett’s grades each jumped nearly 20 points. Those improvements paled in comparison to Rob Havenstein’s jump from a 50.9 PFF grade in 2019 to 80.0 heading into this year’s postseason.

As a result, Jared Goff has been pressured on fewer than 30% of his dropbacks after that number sat at 36% in 2019. That remains one of the biggest keys to this offense moving forward, given Goff's career clean pocket vs. pressure splits.
 

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So the most turnovers by a QB since 2019 started and no accountability. Just all Oline. Got it
His Pro Bowl year was likely an anomaly in regards to turnovers, and we knew he had small hands when we drafted him.

And for sure he has some bonehead turnovers, the INT vs Seattle in W16 was one of the worse I saw from him and the OL did there job on that play, so no you don't got it, it's not all Oline.

But I do think he is a lot more respectable on the turnover chart with better O line play overall, it's been atrocious since 2018. It's also the reason for the increases in the dink and dunk passing downs, they call those throws 'Blitz beaters'. Because when you can get to the QB as much as teams do against the Rams, defenses tend to blitz a lot more. (Especially considering Goff's small hands. :dhd:)

Alls I'm saying is you build teams around your invested strengths, not play into their weaknesses. And without a Burner WR on the Corp, the Rams WR too need that OL to preform so they can run routes that take for than 2 seconds.
 

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Interesting take here



3. LOS ANGELES RAMS

It is safe to say that the Rams got the bounce-back season they badly needed from their offensive line following the disaster that was the 2019 season for Los Angeles up front.

There really wasn’t a whole lot of movement from the Rams this past offseason to add to the group, so the change centered around improvement from the players who were already on the roster. Andrew Whitworth improved his PFF grade by 16 points before his injury, while Austin Blythe’s and Austin Corbett’s grades each jumped nearly 20 points. Those improvements paled in comparison to Rob Havenstein’s jump from a 50.9 PFF grade in 2019 to 80.0 heading into this year’s postseason.

As a result, Jared Goff has been pressured on fewer than 30% of his dropbacks after that number sat at 36% in 2019. That remains one of the biggest keys to this offense moving forward, given Goff's career clean pocket vs. pressure splits.
There are stats and then there's the eye test, and with Drew out at Tackle, we couldn't run the damned ball, that's what your boy JW can do to keep the chains moving though, but how did that work out for JW vs Seattle last Saturday?

Oh, and that last sentence EXACTLY makes my point!

That remains one of the biggest keys to this offense moving forward, given Goff's career clean pocket vs. pressure splits.

:suds:
 

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Here's a stat for ya @SJ76 (Since suddenly you LOVE stats)

7-3 - 2020 Rams record with Whitworth and Goff
3-3 - 2020 Rams record without Whitworth and Goff
 

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Here's a stat for ya @SJ76 (Since suddenly you LOVE stats)

7-3 - 2020 Rams record with Whitworth and Goff
3-3 - 2020 Rams record without Whitworth and Goff
Ya hard to believe those PFF rankings, from what Ive been watching, just not seeing it?????
 

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There are stats and then there's the eye test, and with Drew out at Tackle, we couldn't run the damned ball, that's what your boy JW can do to keep the chains moving though, but how did that work out for JW vs Seattle last Saturday?

Oh, and that last sentence EXACTLY makes my point!



:suds:

JW had 50 yards rushing in the 1st half against AZ. Andrew was out
 

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Here's a stat for ya @SJ76 (Since suddenly you LOVE stats)

7-3 - 2020 Rams record with Whitworth and Goff
3-3 - 2020 Rams record without Whitworth and Goff

They’re not my stats lol. And I didn’t turn the football over the most of any QB since 2019.

PFF is pretty good. #3 Oline was interesting but I’m sure you can spin it
 

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They’re not my stats lol. And I didn’t turn the football over the most of any QB since 2019.

PFF is pretty good. #3 Oline was interesting but I’m sure you can spin it
Did you read the last sentence in that article you posted?

Geez man, a pocket passer QB needs his Pro Bowler LT so much more than Dual Threat a QB, also where was JW after the 1st quarter last week? :dhd:

Build your team one way or the other, but unless we can move JG, we wont be seeing much of JW however much you 'spin'.

Not that I'm against moving JG, I just don't see how...

I think @Rambunctious posted an interesting take on Houston's Watson, I'm down but I don't know if we have the draft capital they were talking about in the comment section of that article to get him. 2 - 1st's and some, that will leave the Rams without a 1st for how many years in a row if Snead manages to pull something like that off.

We are not as far apart as you think, but as Mamma always said, you got to dance with the one that brought you.
 

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Did you read the last sentence in that article you posted?

Geez man, a pocket passer needs his Pro Bowler LT so much more than Double Option, also where was JW after the 1st quarter last week? :dhd:

Build your team one way or the other, but unless we can move JG, we wont be seeing much of JW however much you 'spin'.

Not that I'm against moving JG, I just don't see how...

I think @Rambunctious posted an interesting take on Houston's Watson, I'm down but I don't know if we have the draft capital they were talking about in the comment section of that article to get him. 2 - 1st's and some, that will leave the Rams without a 1st for how many years in a row if Snead manages to pull something like that off.

We are not as far apart as you think, but as Mamma always said, you got to dance with the one that brought you.

Andrew Whitworth is in the pro bowl this year?


lol at Goff getting a “clean” pocket all the time Or even most of the time. It’s not going to happen especially in the playoffs. Players have to adjust. Well... at least good players. That’s why he did hardly anything in his pro bowl season in the playoffs. It was mostly defense and the running game. Just like it is now

I just like laughing at the “Vita Chewbacca defense” of Goff

He not good. And vastly overpaid which is a big reason why we can’t afford better Olineman. Even tho according to PFF the Rams Oline was actually better than average
 

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As far as pressures, 2020 has been better than last year according to PFF. However if you are a pocket passer in today’s NFL and in the playoffs, a clean pocket ain’t happnin a lot so you better be an athlete and figure out how to make plays.


As a result, Jared Goff has been pressured on fewer than 30% of his dropbacks after that number sat at 36% in 2019. That remains one of the biggest keys to this offense moving forward, given Goff's career clean pocket vs. pressure splits.
 

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Andrew Whitworth is in the pro bowl this year?


lol at Goff getting a “clean” pocket all the time Or even most of the time. It’s not going to happen especially in the playoffs. Players have to adjust. Well... at least good players. That’s why he did hardly anything in his pro bowl season in the playoffs. It was mostly defense and the running game. Just like it is now

I just like laughing at the “Vita Chewbacca defense” of Goff

He not good. And vastly overpaid which is a big reason why we can’t afford better Olineman. Even tho according to PFF the Rams Oline was actually better than average
Just don't think you read very much SJ, your own article said splits for JG where the biggest keys to this offense going forward.

The Rams really don't have the choices you are complaining about, and really JW is an unknown commodity who got literally knocked the fuck out in his second start.

I'm not a JG homer, alls I'm saying is follow the plan you've laid out, if you have any expectation for it to work. Drew will be gone soon and the plan has JG paid for too long otherwise, who we gonna get to set up in a big way at LT?

That's the problem my man, didn't want the trade up, when we selected JG, wasn't sure if JG or CW was the right guy after we did, but in 2018 JG showed promise, and we abandoned him in a way that NO Saints have never abandoned DB.
 
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