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[SJ76]

Funny, we finally get the Suh pick we wanted, just after finally getting the Watkins pick we wanted. Hopefully this one works out a little better, but at least no draft picks were invested.

Upgrading Watkins to Odell would be the cherry on top, but I don't think the Giants really want to move him.

Yeah crazy. Watkins and then Suh


If we didn't have Woods locked up we would have signed Watkins. But I think Woods is pretty underrated.

 

[Vitamike]

Just nasty


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The dude knows leverages!

 

[Vitamike]

I, too, did not want the Rams drafting that QB because of his injury history and the fact the Rams had a terrible OL, and I think it's,always a terrible idea for a team to draft a QB when they have no OL to protect said QB ( see David Carr ).

I wanted the OU QB, mainly because the Rams sorely needed a QB. As for the injury, a lot of you may be forgeting the ACL tear that Suh had early in his collegiate career, & the OU QB's shoulder was minor in comparison. Especially when one considers how we all thought of ACL injuries back in '09 & '10. AP sort of change the whole narrative regarding ACL's and extending an actual NFL career after such an injury.

After all did we really know then just how bad a pick Jason Smith would actually turn out to be? Or how awful of an HC Spags would be?

Ironically, we ended up getting a stud DE in Quinn who was just traded away with Tree and in turn gave us the room to make moves to land Suh and them two DB's we just signed.

 

[Vitamike]

~ Stan Kroenke

 

[Red_Chaos]

I wanted the OU QB, mainly because the Rams sorely needed a QB. As for the injury, a lot of you may be forgeting the ACL tear that Suh had early in his collegiate career, & the OU QB's shoulder was minor in comparison. Especially when one considers how we all thought of ACL injuries back in '09 & '10. AP sort of change the whole narrative regarding ACL's and extending an actual NFL career after such an injury.

After all did we really know then just how bad a pick Jason Smith would actually turn out to be? Or how awful of an HC Spags would be?

Ironically, we ended up getting a stud DE in Quinn who was just traded away with Tree and in turn gave us the room to make moves to land Suh and them two DB's we just signed.

yes, we knew it was but nobody would believe that he was bad :S

 

[Rambunctious]

"On Tuesday, coach Sean McVay said he’s not concerned about any friction between the players or how Suh will fit into the defense. He said, via Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times, that Suh will play nose tacklewhile Donald stays at the three-technique spot and that “the mutual respect that exists between those two players was imperative and really paramount to even pursue this in the first place.”

Sean McVay unconcerned about Ndamukong Suh fitting into defense

 

[Vitamike]

yes, we knew it was but nobody would believe that he was bad :S

Total bust like Smith are hardly hyped to this extent, hind sight is in full agreement with you though Red.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Jason Smith

Sure some here may have thought he was a poor selection were he was picked up at, but dude would have been considered a bust if he was selected in the 4th round maybe even in later rounds than that!

 

[SJ76]

Along with SJ76, I too was one that wanted Suh in the draft over that other dude. Just think what we will do to the dude-who-shall-remain-nameless, twice this coming year. Somebody is going to get the crap kicked out of him and we will continue our legacy of knocking Cardinals' QBs out the game!! All those years if frustration are about to be satisfied watching that fool getting knocked-out!!!

And yes everyone, I am VERY HAPPY!! I am happy that McVay so knows what he is doing and all of that mentorship from some very good people including his grandfather who masterminded the Niners championships back in the day is paying off and looking alot like what happens in Boston every year only without the cheating!!

ON OBJ. I am a bit Meh as Red indicated, but if they pull off a trade and we go with OBJ and an edge rusher later in the draft, I'll go with it because McVay has proven he knows what the hell he is doing and he doesn't tolerate losing or a losing mentality that so irritates SJ76, Vita, ALR, LTRF, Rambunctious, RamCub, Jermaine, Red, many more, and myself for that matter!!!

As far as the the edge OLB I like the Samson Ebukan kid a lot. Thought he did a pretty good job as a rookie

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

Total bust like Smith are hardly hyped to this extent, hind sight is in full agreement with you though Red.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Jason Smith

Sure some here may have thought he was a poor selection were he was picked up at, but dude would have been considered a bust if he was selected in the 4th round maybe even in later rounds than that!

I never liked the Smith pick. Thought they should've traded out of the pick for one, and second, a former TE turned OT is never a good idea. Name one that ever became a good player?

Just like taking an OT that basically played G in college (Robinson ) is not a good idea either.

Both those picks were reaches. The Rams bought into the hype on both those players and they were both one of the worst #2 picks ever.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

I never liked the Smith pick. Thought they should've traded out of the pick for one, and second, a former TE turned OT is never a good idea. Name one that ever became a good player?

Just like taking an OT that basically played G in college (Robinson ) is not a good idea either.

Both those picks were reaches. The Rams bought into the hype on both those players and they were both one of the worst #2 picks ever.

That's why I hate taking guys with "potential" over guys that you know what you're going to get. Which is why I was hoping that we had taken Matthews, or even Lewan instead.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

That's why I hate taking guys with "potential" over guys that you know what you're going to get. Which is why I was hoping that we had taken Matthews, or even Lewan instead.

Indeed.

How many times do we hear about "potential" only to see those guys never reach it?

Better to take the " you know what you are getting" guy vs potential that 9 out of 10 never gets realized.

Goff comes to mind. Rams pretty much knew what they were getting with him. Wentz was the bigger potential guy.

Now, Wentz so far has shown that potential and it worked out beautifully for them, but so far Goff is the QB the Rams thought they were drafting, and I don't think any of us can complain about the results so far.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Indeed.

How many times do we hear about "potential" only to see those guys never reach it?

Better to take the " you know what you are getting" guy vs potential that 9 out of 10 never gets realized.

Goff comes to mind. Rams pretty much knew what they were getting with him. Wentz was the bigger potential guy.

Now, Wentz so far has shown that potential and it worked out beautifully for them, but so far Goff is the QB the Rams thought they were drafting, and I don't think any of us can complain about the results so far.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Those two QB's I think ended up in the best situations in the long run. Goff's rookie year was an aberration I believe because I don't think there would've been too many QB's in the league that could've made that type of offensive scheme a success. But now with someone that knows how to run and coach an offense in McVay, we are starting to see more and more of why Goff isn't as much of a bust or a project as it was looking at one point.

 

[SJ76]

@Vitamike

I'm on the road but I found some pro day Samson Ebukan numbers vs Von Miller combine. Granted pro days are more forgiving than combine. Not saying the combine is the almighty judge of a player or that SE is going to be even close to Von.. but they are an exact mold as far as size and speed, etc. instincts?? Aggressiveness?? IQ? Those are the X factors that the combine cannot tell us

SE pro day:

vertical jump of 39 inches
broad jump of 10'10"
40 time of 4.45 were eye-opening
He bench-pressed 225 pounds 24 times.
7.02 seconds in the 3-cone drill.

Von Miller combine:

40 time -- 4.42 seconds
Bench Press: 21 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 37.0 inches
Broad Jump: 126 inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.06 seconds
Three Cone: 6.70 seconds
60 Yd Shuttle: 11.15 seconds

 

[Vitamike]

While I completely agree with the project sentiment when drafting, I thought Goff was more of the 'Potential' guy. Definitely fits the Fisher draft philosophy too.

Goff couldn't play under Center, couldn't call a huddle, and never won an important game in his life in his Collegiate Career.

Wentz on the other hand could play under center and won many big games throughout his College career, still at a lower level of competition, but so were all those who surrounded him.

 

[Vitamike]

@Vitamike

I'm on the road but I found some pro day Samson Ebukan numbers vs Von Miller combine. Granted pro days are more forgiving than combine. Not saying the combine is the almighty judge of a player or that SE is going to be even close to Von.. but they are an exact mold as far as size and speed, etc. instincts?? Aggressiveness?? IQ? Those are the X factors that the combine cannot tell us

SE pro day:

vertical jump of 39 inches
broad jump of 10'10"
40 time of 4.45 were eye-opening
He bench-pressed 225 pounds 24 times.
7.02 seconds in the 3-cone drill.

Von Miller combine:

40 time -- 4.42 seconds
Bench Press: 21 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 37.0 inches
Broad Jump: 126 inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.06 seconds
Three Cone: 6.70 seconds
60 Yd Shuttle: 11.15 seconds

No, I like the kid! Sort of forgot about him TBT. Maybe with all the talent around him, he can be the starting OLB for years to come and if he can give us shades of Von Miller from time to time, in this defensive lineup, he can make a name for himself. That alone would be a challenge with a name like 'Ebukan'.

Here on local sports talk radio yesterday, they were digressing on that very thing when talking about our LB's on the roster, or at least the proper pronunciation anyhow.... (Neither of the two on the air were sure how the heck he pronounces it...)

 

[SJ76]

No, I like the kid! Sort of forgot about him TBT. Maybe with all the talent around him, he can be the starting OLB for years to come and if he can give us shades of Von Miller from time to time, in this defensive lineup, he can make a name for himself. That alone would be a challenge with a name like 'Ebukan'.

Here on local sports talk radio yesterday, they were digressing on that very thing when talking about our LB's on the roster.

I actually like the approach of having young LBs on the cheap. We just need a big thumper at ILB to replace Tree.

Wade is going to attack. Barron isn't great against the run but he's pretty good covering TEs and can hit. Think it was him that knocked out Wentz ending his season if I remember correct

 

[SJ76]

Not to mention Wade really rotates his OLBs or edge guys

 

[SJ76]

While I completely agree with the project sentiment when drafting, I thought Goff was more of the 'Potential' guy. Definitely fits the Fisher draft philosophy too.

Goff couldn't play under Center, couldn't call a huddle, and never won an important game in his life in his Collegiate Career.

Wentz on the other hand could play under center and won many big games throughout his College career, still at a lower level of competition, but so were all those who surrounded him.

I just Goff doesn't get killed in practice against these guys on D. Gurley too. But I think Goff takes another step forward this year -- be able lead a team down in the 4th Q and win a game against good defenses. If not, then I guess we a vet who can?

 

[Battlelyon]

I just Goff doesn't get killed in practice against these guys on D. Gurley too. But I think Goff takes another step forward this year -- be able lead a team down in the 4th Q and win a game against good defenses. If not, then I guess we a vet who can?

Playing against that defense in practice is the best thing for them, forces them to elevate their games.

 

[Caliskinsfan]