RAK

[Sportster 72]

LMAO!! Cooley listening to hearsay???? He is as astute as any one in analysis of the game. He was well known for knowing everyones roll on a play and not just his own when he was playing. He does every Redskin game. Saying he doesn't know what he talks about is just turning a blind eye. Doc Walker stands on the sideline and watches every game. Then using a blogger to prove your point? Now there is some sound analysis.

I don't know you want from us other than we all agree with you. You said tell me who you would rather have. Are you putting conditions on who we choose? For $5 million I'll take Orakpo, for $9 million I'd rather have Jackson. If you don't agree that is fine, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but we are equally entitled to ours. I believe we all said we would like Orakpo back for a responsible amount of money.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think you are just getting angry because you are an Orakpo fan and for the most part no one is agreeing with you so it's best to just let it go. I'm not going to change my mind and either are you dad.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think you are just getting angry because you are an Orakpo fan and for the most part no one is agreeing with you so it's best to just let it go. I'm not going to change my mind and either are you dad.

look sportster , this is a good debate here but stop with "i am slanted because I am an orakpo fan foolishness"

i put up stats i gave visual evidence and i asked you for a better , better player the rak at 10 mil or less . what i want is you to back up the statement you made , not me but you made . i said OK i will bite . you gave me jackson , the BU . now does chris cooley and doc walker believe that jackson is a better player then rak ?

shoot jason la canfora , jason reid , and others cover the team and are on the sidelines and that means nothing to me because both were fools

i showed you what impact jackson has on the defense by putting up stats for the team . so far Rak wins out goin away .

the fact is there isnt a better OLB available (3-4) or else you and my detractors would have been all over it

i say franchising Rak is the way to go and if after a year you still arent "sold" on Rak then you simply pocket 10 mil in 2015 we did this with davis and we pocket his franchise tag money next season to use on some other position

now if he signs for less all the better

 

[gkekoa]

I'll stick with my statement. I'd resign him at a number near 7 mil/season.

5 years, 35 million, 15 million of it in guarantees.

Base salaries of 3 million, 4 million, 4 million, 4 million, 5 million.

 

[Krusheasy]

Then using a blogger to prove your point? Now there is some sound analysis.

Nobody spends more time watching game film then the guys at HTTR24-7.com. If you followed them on twitter you would know they are practically breaking down game film all day everyday.

I respect Cooley, Doc & B.Mitch. But they're also in the sports talk/entertainment business. They've got to have someone to pick on for the listeners to hate on. If it's not D. Hall it's Orakpo.

But just like there was a D Hall thread during dallas week, which made no sense to me... I don't understand why this is a topic worthy of discussion.

There are lots of issues facing this team. Orakpo is not even one of the top 10 of those.

 

[skinsdad62]

Is Brian Orakpo having enough of a impact? | Comcast SportsNet Washington

here is an article that states both sides of the ledger

he graded out as the best redskins defender according to PFF

he leads the team in hits , hurries and it adds up to 27 pressures (team leading )

more stats that back up what i am saying

now sportster you may never change your mind and that is cool . i also want you to know you are giving your case a strong , strong run . i dont agree with you but so be it you are great poster as is j-y19 but dont think i am mad because i am not . just a passionate fan making his case

 

[Shenanihanigans]

Skinsdad, the redskins are currently 2-5, and have not been great in any area of their team, consistently, all season.

That's a fact.

Does anybody on this team really deserve almost $10 million a season for shoddy, inconsistent play?

Anybody?

You don't sign rak to that much, bc it hamstrings your ability to put together a championship team. If Orakpo was as stand up a guy as you think he is, he'd probably follow several players leads, and sign here for less money.

The redskins are not an OLB away from annual Super Bowl contenders. Make rak a very good offer, say something like geekoa's, and sign him or don't sign him.

When you're 2-5, NOBODY should be irreplaceable.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad, the redskins are currently 2-5, and have not been great in any area of their team, consistently, all season.

That's a fact.

Does anybody on this team really deserve almost $10 million a season for shoddy, inconsistent play?

Anybody?

You don't sign rak to that much, bc it hamstrings your ability to put together a championship team. If Orakpo was as stand up a guy as you think he is, he'd probably follow several players leads, and sign here for less money.

The redskins are not an OLB away from annual Super Bowl contenders. Make rak a very good offer, say something like geekoa's, and sign him or don't sign him.



When you're 2-5, NOBODY should be irreplaceable.

i disagree . we have plenty of cap room next season plus a draft . i cant see letting a guy like Rak walk in favor of a lesser player
again if you think you can get Rak for GK's perennial low ball quotes then go for it . i wont argue that at all but dont tell me there is better for cheaper .

the stats i have shown shows the defense is weaker without rak in the line up

we have money and part of the redskins long term issues are we dont develop and keep core redskins . we go for the "flavor of the day " free agent and overpay putting a one year franchise tag on RAK doesnt destroy our financial ****** what it does show is that we stick by our core guys and give them a fair shot . and if it turns out like fred davis then so be it . we pocket fred's franchise tag next season as we can do with raks in 2015

i certainly would roll the dice on a 2x pro bowler, with 90 sacks career potential , for a lousey 1 year tender

 

[SkinsDalltheWay]

You franchise rak no matter what. Someteam will bite the bait and at very least deliver a 3rd rounder.

 

[Sportster 72]

You franchise rak no matter what. Someteam will bite the bait and at very least deliver a 3rd rounder.

Orakpo is unrestricted and there is no draft choice involved. The Skins either resign him or let him go.

 

[SkinsDalltheWay]

I meant that you shop rak and if no one bites, you just bite the 10 mil

 

[skinsdad62]

Orakpo is unrestricted and there is no draft choice involved. The Skins either resign him or let him go.

i think he is alluding toward sign and trade

 

[Sportster 72]

Nope my mistake, I thought he meant there was compensation.

 

[SkinsDalltheWay]

I think we look at teams converting from 3-4 to either a 4-3 or hybrid defenses this offseason and trade him there. That is where rak belongs. Icing on the cake would be to get a 3-4 starting caliber olb that no longer fits that teams system.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think we look at teams converting from 3-4 to either a 4-3 or hybrid defenses this offseason and trade him there. That is where rak belongs. Icing on the cake would be to get a 3-4 starting caliber olb that no longer fits that teams system.

we need to keep guys like Rak on our team . we drafted him , we developed him and now we let another team reap the benefits of that ?

for years we didnt develop our own guys and relied on trades and FA . it got us no where . we need to keep our corp guys and a high character guy like RAK needs to be here .

i have always said franchise him . but that doesnt mean we cant get him for "our " price if you will . i just use the franchise tag price as a budgeting tool not the end all be all

this guy has performed in the past (2x pro bowl one alternate in 4 active seasons ) so present performance is there . he makes others around him better (see kerrigan and others ) and he is just entering the prime of his career.

a career mind you that should last another 6-8 years and which should push 90 career sacks maybe even the team record

sorry but i say hold on to him at least for another season

perhaps if we had better talent around him things would loosen up for him but that is another debate

 

[gkekoa]

RAK should be re-signed...not franchised.

 

[skinsdad62]

RAK should be re-signed...not franchised.

for the sake of argument i count RAK as being franchised . we could sign him for less which is great by me but in any case i cant see letting him walk for nothing

 

[Sportster 72]

I misrepresented Cooley's position. They talked about Orakpo and LBF while I was driving home yesterday because the press grilled Haslett about both.

Cooley's position is as dad say Orakpo gets chipped by the TE a lot. 22 times in the Dallas game. He also said other top pass rushing specialists get chipped and still get sacks. He said he thinks he is playing to a pretty good level and should be retained but his stats don't suggest a top tier contract at this point. I think that is what most of us think also. Lets give the guy a nice contract, he deserves that. We just don't want to break the bank for him.

dad is very right about how oftern this team has drafted someone then let them go because they wanted to sign the newest shiny coin only to watch a Pierce or Clark or a Cleamons go elsewhere and do a very good job. I think all of those guys were the pre-Shanahan/Allen regime.

 

[j_y19]

I misrepresented Cooley's position. They talked about Orakpo and LBF while I was driving home yesterday because the press grilled Haslett about both.

Cooley's position is as dad say Orakpo gets chipped by the TE a lot. 22 times in the Dallas game. He also said other top pass rushing specialists get chipped and still get sacks. He said he thinks he is playing to a pretty good level and should be retained but his stats don't suggest a top tier contract at this point. I think that is what most of us think also. Lets give the guy a nice contract, he deserves that. We just don't want to break the bank for him.

dad is very right about how oftern this team has drafted someone then let them go because they wanted to sign the newest shiny coin only to watch a Pierce or Clark or a Cleamons go elsewhere and do a very good job. I think all of those guys were the pre-Shanahan/Allen regime.

This is exactly my position. He is a good player and we need good players. I have no problem paying him as a good player. If you can sign him for 6-8M/year for 3-5 years, do it and move on. But paying him as an elite player is over paying and there are both short and long term ramifications associated with that. Now if it is only for one year as a franchise tag, probably not a huge issue. I also get that we have a history of letting our own leave the coop and become successful elsewhere. We have invested time and money in Rak to develop him to this point. There is a value to that. Maybe the best we can hope for is that the skins recognize this value and are willing to pay a bit extra for it and Rak is willing to offer a home team discount. They settle in the $8M/range range with performance escalators that can get him to elite money if he makes the PB, has over 15 sacks, etc.

 

[SkinsDalltheWay]

Give him. 2mil/year for each counter move he develops this offseason.