Projecting the 2017 QB Market

[SoCalWizFan]

If Cousins can just start eliminating these brain farts then I am fine w/ the Redskins giving him a long term extension. We saw it w/ the pick 6 yesterday, the near pick 6 against the Ravens, the INT in the red zone against the Cowboys & that debacle at the end of the 1st half vs the Giants. He just seems to panic at the wrong times.

It appeared that this was out of his system at the end of last season but obviously not yet. I can live with things like being off target & not making all of the big throws since those will improve over time. However - killer mistakes are another matter even though they got away with it in all but one game.

Kirk is amazing in the fact that he can rebound quickly after those mistakes & overall he plays the position well. Time will tell if he can calm down & just get this crap out of his system. If not then I say either give him another 1 yr deal (at a high price tag) or move on. I can't see them investing in the future of the QB we have seen through the first 6 games of this season.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Is it me or does he appear to be running with a refrigerator on his back? He was never Vick fast but I always thought he had enough speed to make more plays with his legs. But he looked more like Jason Campbell than Aaron Rodgers when he ran yesterday.

 

[j_y19]

If Cousins can just start eliminating these brain farts then I am fine w/ the Redskins giving him a long term extension. We saw it w/ the pick 6 yesterday, the near pick 6 against the Ravens, the INT in the red zone against the Cowboys & that debacle at the end of the 1st half vs the Giants. He just seems to panic at the wrong times.

It appeared that this was out of his system at the end of last season but obviously not yet. I can live with things like being off target & not making all of the big throws since those will improve over time. However - killer mistakes are another matter even though they got away with it in all but one game.

Kirk is amazing in the fact that he can rebound quickly after those mistakes & overall he plays the position well. Time will tell if he can calm down & just get this crap out of his system. If not then I say either give him another 1 yr deal (at a high price tag) or move on. I can't see them investing in the future of the QB we have seen through the first 6 games of this season.

I'm also ok with his play. The concern about his mistakes are most all are mental mistakes. Throws he should have never made. All QBs throw picks and all throw picks they never should have. KC just seems to do I at critical times and many are glaringly stupid. I bet gruden is chewing his ass off about yesterday's pick.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm also ok with his play. The concern about his mistakes are most all are mental mistakes. Throws he should have never made. All QBs throw picks and all throw picks they never should have. KC just seems to do I at critical times and many are glaringly stupid. I bet gruden is chewing his ass off about yesterday's pick.

Yep & a big part of this is knowing when to either take a sack or throw the ball away & not be a hero. You can't make every play. Even later in the game you saw Kirk learning & just getting rid of the ball when it appeared that everyone was covered. Hopefully he does more of this as the season progresses.

 

[skinsdad62]

Thanks for this. When I saw you had responding I as worried we were getting back into an argument everyone is tired of reading.

I'll close by saying you are obviously right, it is too early to evaluate Wentz and trading up for a QB has failed in the past. However understanding just how a good QB can totally change a franchise, and recognizing the fact that your chances of finding a good QB are much much higher in the early first round then they are in rounds 2+ I think it's a mistake to totally dismiss the idea simply because it has failed a few ttimes in the past. It was a long time ago but it clearly worked with Elway in Denver.

see winning brings peace to us all as for KC it will play out , my strategy would be pay KC on a short term contract draft a viable qb and groom him but not early in the draft
i think he will be good enough for us to contend and could go the rypien thiesman williams route

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Keim...



ASHBURN, Va. -- Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousinsreceived the big money – and will want it again next offseason, too. Whether or not his talent deserves it remains an ongoing debate. But when it comes to the highest-paid quarterbacks, Cousins’ statistics compare favorably, but also reveal inconsistency. Last year they ranked well; this year, he’s near the bottom.

There are 10 quarterbacks who make at least $20 million per season, the neighborhood Cousins hopes to soon reside – he’s currently 11th at $19.95 million thanks to the franchise tag. And a big question when those contract talks begin will be: Can he make others better or is he the byproduct of the surrounding talent?

The top 10 in terms of average salary per year: Indianapolis’ Andrew Luck, Baltimore’s Joe Flacco, New Orleans’ Drew Brees, Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers, Seattle’s Russell Wilson, Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger, New York’s Eli Manning, San Diego’s Philip Rivers, Carolina’s Cam Newton and Atlanta’s Matt Ryan.

Six of those quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl and a seventh played in one. Cousins is 0-1 in the postseason (this is only his second full year as the starter). The three who haven’t appeared in a Super Bowl: Ryan, Rivers and Luck. Only Wilson and Newton have more than Cousins' 13 wins since the start of 2015, but seven of these passers have not played all 22 games.

Kirk Cousins' Total QBR of 58.0 ranks 18th among NFL quarterbacks this season. He ranked sixth last year. Matt Hazlett/Getty Images
Here’s how Cousins’ statistics compare to these big-money quarterbacks in key categories this season:

Overall (10th in QBR, seventh in passer rating): Cousins’ Total Quarterback Rating, which measures a deeper impact on the game, is 57.6 (out of 100), ahead of only Carolina’s Cam Newton among the big-money quarterbacks. In QBR, Cousins is one spot behind Flacco and two behind Rodgers, who is in the midst of a tough season by his standards. Ryan is tops this season, no matter which method is used.

If you combine it with last season, Cousins’ QBR would be fifth and his passer rating would be third. His 38 combined touchdown passes are seventh and his 17 interceptions are third-highest. This year, his nine touchdowns are seventh and his six interceptions are tied with three others for the most.

Third downs (11th in QBR/sixth in passer rating): Third down is the big-money down for quarterbacks. Cousins owns a QBR of 19.5 on third down – the next quarterback ahead of him, Wilson, is at 30.0. Combined with the 2015 season, Cousins would be fifth in QBR and fourth in passer rating. In fact, Cousins’ 15 touchdowns on third downs since the start of last season tops this group. This season, Cousins’ completion percentage, touchdowns, interceptions and passing first downs all are just above the average among this group.

Red zone (10th in QBR/11th passer rating): Another money area. Last season, Cousins would have ranked first in QBR and second in passer rating inside the 20-yard line thanks to 11 touchdown passes and no interceptions. But this season? Different story. Cousins has thrown two interceptions in the red zone to only two touchdown passes. He’s the only quarterback in this group to have been intercepted inside the 20. He’s missed open targets other times, so accuracy has been an issue as well. For what it’s worth, Wilson is last in both QBR and passer rating.

Last two minutes of the first half (seventh in QBR, 10th in passer rating): This is another area where quarterbacks are judged differently. Last year, he was third in both categories. Cousins, Brees and Rivers are the only three without a touchdown pass in this situation in 2016.

Last two minutes of the game (eighth in both QBR and passer rating): Again, no touchdown passes – but there have only been two games in which he’s attempted a pass in this time. In 2015, Cousins ranked second in passer rating and first in QBR in this category among this $20-million club.

Yards per attempt (sixth): One spot lower than last season. In 2016, Cousins ranks ahead of Roethlisberger, Luck, Newton, Rodgers and Flacco. The Redskins have the skill-position talent to have a better yards per attempt with receiver DeSean Jackson. But Washington also has players, such as Jamison Crowder, who excel underneath. Cousins has avoided sacks -- only eight this season -- in part because he will check down. But Cousins’ average time before he throws is 2.60 seconds --only Luck and Rodgers hold the ball longer. Those two quarterbacks are much more mobile than Cousins, whose protection has been solid. Some of that stems from defenses not sending more rushers at Cousins – his 43 pass attempts when facing a five-man rush or more ranks 10th. It’s likely that defenses are threatened by the receiver talent and have played accordingly

 

[Sportster 72]

If he is the 10/11th rated QB in most statistics then he appears to be slotted correctly ... at this point. 10 more games to find out.

 

[j_y19]

If he is the 10/11th rated QB in most statistics then he appears to be slotted correctly ... at this point. 10 more games to find out.

If his play continues at this level, I bet they franchise him again. That gives him $23M or so, still not outrageous as he would still be at the bottom level of the $20M club. I just don't see him taking a pay cut for a multi year deal without some big guarantees.

 

[Sportster 72]

If his play continues at this level, I bet they franchise him again. That gives him $23M or so, still not outrageous as he would still be at the bottom level of the $20M club. I just don't see him taking a pay cut for a multi year deal without some big guarantees.

Yeah I agree. Someone is going to pay him so there is no reason for him to take less. If we are not then what is a viable option? There aren't a lot of top 10-15 QBs available.

 

[j_y19]

Yeah I agree. Someone is going to pay him so there is no reason for him to take less. If we are not then what is a viable option? There aren't a lot of top 10-15 QBs available.

There isn't really an obvious alternative right now. SM is close to implementing his vision. Next draft should go a long way toward addressing the few remaining glaring issues. He needs a competent, even if flawed, QB that can drive the bus. KC is proving he can do that. Next year they could be in a legitimate position to make a run deep. That has less chance happening with a rookie or a fitzpatrick level QB, which is the best that will be available.

 

[Sportster 72]

There is a lot to be said for being in the same offense for 4 years also. We haven't had a lot of that where the same coach and QB have been together for that long.

 

[j_y19]

Magnitudes of importance.

 

[Breed]

If the season ends and KC play is indicitive of these first five then the Skins would def be in a bind, but heres why they shouldn't kick him out of bed because of an average year. He's good enough to give you a chance. Yes, he gave Dallas the game and tried to give it to Baltimore, but he also plays well enough to bring home some wins. If we keep drafting or trading or picking up other teams hero's of the day we will never move forward. Garoppolo or how ever you spell his name is with a winning team and a great coach and a better scheme. Doesn't mean he does well here. Not worried about Wentz and Prescock just yet. Dallas run game has opened up wide open receivers for him to shine with and neither has faced adversity yet. Actually, Wentz did last week with a game on the line and threw a pic. Not discounting either just saying give it time.

This team needs a better running game, is all, and watch KC begin to excel. Suddenly things open up down the field as it is happening in Dallas right now. When teams play us LB's are staying back for the most part with coverage help. Give me a great front line and ill show you a great QB. If KC stays average like this I say keep him pay him what he wants and work on your front line and RB situation. We need a quick shifty running back not just a big bruiser. Hate to say it but Dallas has done it right and Dak is benefitting from it.

The answer is not always just "lets put another QB behind center that will work"... sometimes the answer to any problem lies deeper.

Pay him whatever he wants completely disregarding that he's an average QB who's also the biggest reason you lose a couple games. While you get to work on drafting the best OL in football and a stud RB eh.
Where did you learn that, um, business model at? Trump University? Or perhaps at Clown College.

 

[Sportster 72]

Name one game he was the sole reason for losing? Did you read the post Keim had about him. He is top half if not upper third. No one is recommending you don't look for someone better down the road but you don't get rid of your best option at QB unless you have someone equal to or better.

 

[j_y19]

Better question. Who will be available for cheaper that won't lose more games for you? Btw, I agree with sportster, what game was he solely responsible for the loss?

 

[Sportster 72]

You can go other way too, he hasn't been solely responsible for winning but football is the ultimate team game.

 

[gkekoa]

Tom Brady is considered great and his team went 3-1 without him with 2 first time starting QBs.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Tom Brady is considered great and his team went 3-1 without him with 2 first time starting QBs.

And again BB is 18-18 in games without Brady in NE and 36-44 in Cleveland where he had no QB. You need to stop using a handful of games as if that makes any point.

Back to Kirk as the Jets what kind of contract they would be willing to offer him should he hit the open market.

 

[reptec101]

Pay him whatever he wants completely disregarding that he's an average QB who's also the biggest reason you lose a couple games. While you get to work on drafting the best OL in football and a stud RB eh.
Where did you learn that, um, business model at? Trump University? Or perhaps at Clown College.

Average? We've won 8 out of the last 10 games. He ranks up there in top ten stats in percentage, yards and yards per attempt. Granted he makes some head scratching throws but show me a QB excluding maybe 3 or 4 that don't. I'll be waiting for your report. Btw,, even they do at times. You want Fitz here? How bout Osweiler? Maybe we can obtain the services of Hoyer? Heck, we already have McCoy... throw him in there and let Kirk waltz to another team. Be careful what you wish for.

Though I will agree,,, if you pay Kirk what he wants then how do you improve your line via FA's to make the running game better to make him better to make the team better. It's a conundrum that they will be faced with, obviously. Though a man of your intellectual prowess Im assuming you believe a guy like Mark Sanchez could prosper behind a great line. I disagree, respectfully. The Redskins blew it when they had the opportunity to sign Cousins mid last year to a level 2 base salary when he was tearing it up despite the worse running game in the league. Not an easy accomplishment in this league.

I tell ya what... Kirk Cousins will get paid whether it's by us or by another team. He's a top 10 QB in this league and that is better than any other QB you would start next year once you give him the boot. Becareful what you wish for.

Clown college? Trump University? God I hope our front office don't have your imagination.

 

[gkekoa]

And again BB is 18-18 in games without Brady in NE and 36-44 in Cleveland where he had no QB. You need to stop using a handful of games as if that makes any point.

Back to Kirk as the Jets what kind of contract they would be willing to offer him should he hit the open market.

And you need to stop going back 25-30 years in BB career. Since BB formed the team in NE, how is the record without TB?I know he is 6-0 with first time starters. I know he won 11 games in a season with Cassell.