Players leaving early that are going to regret it

[rmilia1]

The problem with the ONE and doine is these kids arent REALLY college kids. They attend class for one semester, take some BS classes and then as soon as they are eligible to play the rest of the year a lot of them dont even go to class after that. I read and article last year that estimated that 87% of one and done guys would not have been eligible to play their sophomore season based on their second semester grades. I personally believe that kids going to college should actually have to go to college and not just go to play a sport since if they simply want to play basketball they can do that in numerous other places. A 3 year rule will weed out the kids that dont belong in school or who dont have any intention of actually going to college. I see the differing opinion, I just dont agree with it.

 

[Loneranger]

Aren't those the rules of the pro leagues more so than the NCAA? It's the NFL that says a player has to be three years out of high school, not the NCAA. Likewise, it's the NBA that says a player has to be one year out of high school (note that the players DO NOT need to go to college for those years, though it is the only realistic choice).

I believe this is the NFL rule but it was made with the NCAA in the room. Also the NBA has the rule you speak of but this was done recently I think and I know the NCAA was all over them about agreeing to this. Now I can see the NFL rule becuz and 18 yr old is gonna get killed in that league. What I'm referring to besides just turning pro is the "rights" a team could hold and the ability of the kid to have some say about what he wants to do. I don't necessarily disagree with the intent of the rules but don't really agree with the freedom they remove/delay for a kid. I just think a kid should be able to be drafted at anytime and then have some ability to decide what he wants to do. If we look at baseball , hockey , football and hoops there are different little rules for every sport. There's no reason in the world a good baseball player can't leave school after his Fr.yr if he wants and turn pro. Hockey rules I still don't understand and not sure who does. I know we have a local kid who's going to be drafted in the 1st round of the NHL draft this week. He's said he's going to college for 1 yr and then turning pro which means he signs with the team that picks him on Friday becuz they own his rights

 

[Cincyfan78]

The ONLY time a guy should leave early is if he is a lottery pick IMO. The NBA is different from other pro sports, being a 2nd rounder in the NBA almost always means you are never ever going to see any time or any money. There are legit 10-15 guys that will ever pan out to anything decent and even most of those guys wont see big pay days. Now if youre happy bumming around Istanbul playing shooting guard for the Istanbul Isotopes instead of being BMOC at Arizona State and nailing all that sweet sweet sorority ass then by all means go to the land of hairy women and a bad exchange rate and make it happen. For me Im staying in school unless my name is getting called in the first 10-15 picks FOR SURE.

Except, what about a kid who was never thought to be drafted, playing a really good year, above his head, and landing into the mid/late 1st round, early second round? Sure, it's not the lottery, but in some cases, this is the best case scenario for the player. Each submission is independent of itself and should be viewed as such. Some of the kids on this list are not going to get better. Teams want potential, and upside...if you are a Junior who has little of each, but ended up on a really great team and benefited from it...and that team is changing the following year (loss of players, etc) then they are better off declaring, IMO.

not to hijack a thread but I want to comment. I agree a kid should be eligible to be drafted at anytime. I disagree with the thought he should have to stay in school until after his Jr. year. I think a kid should be able to leave anytime he wants with no restrictions and this goes for all sports. What I don't agree with is the NCAA having different rules for different sports - draft rules etc. is what I mean. I think a team should be able to draft a kid when he's 16 if they want but they can't sign him until he's at least 18. If they draft a kid that early then they do it knowing they won't have him for at least a couple years. If the kid decides to go to school then they hold his rights until he wants to turn pro - or they can deal his rights anytime they want. Just a thought.

The rules are set by the NBA, MLB, NFL. They work with the NCAA, but ultimately the NCAA has no real say, as the NFLPA, MLBPA, NBAPA, etc...all set those rules in conjunction with their leagues, and then that trickles down to the college level. Players don't have to go to college, they could go over-seas or find independant leagues, no one said they HAVE to attend college for a year...just be a certain number of years removed from H.S. or a certain age.

 

[bksballer89]

I think Glen Robinson III will regret it also.

I don't think he's anything special

38 picks in and Glen Robinson III is still available.

 

[tabascojet]

Isaiah Austin
KJ Daniels
Nick Johnson
DeAndre Daniels
Jarnell Stokes
Semaj Christon
James McAdoo
Jabari Brown
Jahii Carson

so how many went undrafted?

 

[podsox]

so how many went undrafted?

I have no idea but I know none were taken in the first rd. if u aren't drafted in the first rd u aren't guaranteed a contract

 

[tabascojet]

the D league needs stars too...

 

[gordontrue]

so how many went undrafted?

Isaiah Austin - Diagnosed with career ending Marfan Syndrome
KJ Daniels - #32
Nick Johnson - #42
DeAndre Daniels - #37
Jarnell Stokes - #35
Semaj Christon - #55
James McAdoo - Undrafted, will play for GSW summer league
Jabari Brown - Undrafted, will play for HOU summer league
Jahii Carson - Undrafted, will play for HOU summer league

 

[Steelboy84]

Isaiah Austin - Diagnosed with career ending Marfan Syndrome
KJ Daniels - #32
Nick Johnson - #42
DeAndre Daniels - #37
Jarnell Stokes - #35
Semaj Christon - #55
James McAdoo - Undrafted, will play for GSW summer league
Jabari Brown - Undrafted, will play for HOU summer league
Jahii Carson - Undrafted, will play for HOU summer league

Oh what a shock

 

[jonvi]

Let's add this young man to the list.....

Former Syracuse star Jerami Grant's summer league performance through his first two games won't quiet any of the questions about whether he left the Orange a year too soon.

Grant started the second game of the summer league season for the Philadelphia 76ers but was a non-factor for the second time. Philadelphia won 84-73 over Oklahoma City, evening its record at 1-1.

Grant fouled out of the game after playing just 11 minutes and 14 seconds, scoring three points, grabbing two rebounds and turning the ball over twice. He made 1 of 2 shots, 1 of 2 free throws and missed his only 3-point try.

In the opener of the summer league season, Grant scored one point and grabbed two rebounds.

 

[CatsTopPac]

I'm pretty sure that Nick Johnson will be alright. By podsox's rationale, then anyone who is not guaranteed to be a first-rounder shouldn't enter the draft. Hell, maybe they should just make it only one round!

While I wish NJ would have stayed one more year, I think that he will be valued by the Rockets. If someone doesn't get drafted, then they truly have an uphill battle. Don't get me wrong, if you don't have a contract then you don't have a contract. But be that as it may, if you get drafted, the team has seen enough in you to chose you before absolutely everyone behind you. It's definitely not like there is a sharp dropoff between 1st and 2nd round (30th pick and 31st). In the long run, you have to prove yourself either way. THere is a sharp drop off in get drafted vs. not getting drafted.

 

[gordontrue]

Update:

Nick Johnson signed a 3-year, fully-guaranteed contract with the Rockets.

 

[BearDownUA]

Awesome news for Nick, well deserved and couldn't have landed in a better spot IMO

 

[CatsTopPac]

Yep, BTFD, NJ!

Go forth young man!

 

[2Legit2Quit]

Isaiah Austin
KJ Daniels
Nick Johnson
DeAndre Daniels
Jarnell Stokes
Semaj Christon
James McAdoo
Jabari Brown
Jahii Carson

Pretty spot on for all except KJ, Nick, and Jarnell. KJ looks like he will start for the sixers, Nick lwould have lost some playing time and might get some minutes, Stokes looks like a beast!

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Nick actually left at the perfect time. Houston loves his game and he should see PT this year.

 

[podsox]

I'm pretty sure that Nick Johnson will be alright. By podsox's rationale, then anyone who is not guaranteed to be a first-rounder shouldn't enter the draft. Hell, maybe they should just make it only one round!

While I wish NJ would have stayed one more year, I think that he will be valued by the Rockets. If someone doesn't get drafted, then they truly have an uphill battle. Don't get me wrong, if you don't have a contract then you don't have a contract. But be that as it may, if you get drafted, the team has seen enough in you to chose you before absolutely everyone behind you. It's definitely not like there is a sharp dropoff between 1st and 2nd round (30th pick and 31st). In the long run, you have to prove yourself either way. THere is a sharp drop off in get drafted vs. not getting drafted.

that is my logic. the 2nd rd should be for guys who graduated and have no other choice but to enter the draft. good for nick. he got the contract. It isn't going to change my mind on leaving early and not being guaranteed money though.

 

[tducey]

James Mcadoo.

 

[CatsTopPac]

that is my logic. the 2nd rd should be for guys who graduated and have no other choice but to enter the draft. good for nick. he got the contract. It isn't going to change my mind on leaving early and not being guaranteed money though.

Really, our perspectives are not too far apart. I hate seeing guys leave early because the ones who do, and get left out on draft day, never get covered enough to serve as a warning for others to stay. Everyone thinks they are a first round pick, and that is part of the problem.

My point is that only a small handful of underclassmen are guaranteed to go in the first round. And, I guess my main question is: how is someone "guaranteed" to go first round? That also doesn't account for stronger and weaker drafts, where you could have more guys "guaranteed" for the 1st round than there are spots for them to go, and other years have only a couple dozen "guaranteed", with a bunch of empty slots still in the 1st round.

I just think that the solution lies in part with the players not being able to leave before their junior year, and in part with a better way of realistically informing the players on the potential of their draft stock. But even then, according to your analysis, none of those 9 players should have gone to the draft. Aside from Austin, who we'll never know either way, 4 of the 8 got drafted and signed contracts. Who's to say that it wasn't a good decision? So should teams proclaim that a player is guaranteed 1st round (because they are going to pick them), or is this guarantee based on someone's subjective analysis?

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Granted, I'm sure others apply the term differently but typically when I hear of a guy being a "guaranteed" lottery pick, he's almost always a consensus top 5 choice by all of the experts.

If most people are expecting a guy to go 10th, I wouldn't consider him a lock for the lottery.

As far as my feelings on who should or shouldn't go early, I generally think it is a poor choice for most kids, but that is only because of the stupid way that the NCAA has everything structured. I'd prefer to see the NCAA let kids enter the draft and stay in the draft, and if they don't get drafted, or don't go as high as they think the should, they can return to school once assuming they didn't hire an agent. It takes so much of the speculation and guesswork out of the process. It would be better for kids that are good enough to get the guaranteed money, and better for the kids that aren't. Plus when you have a guy that didn't quite cut it, it's better for the school too since he'd still be eligible.

But it's the NCAA we're talking about so they'd never dream of doing anything that might actually benefit their student athletes. They kind of remind me of that crazy, jealous ex girlfriend... (glances over at that other league for a minute) "Oh, you like that other league better than me? FINE! you can stay with her! I never liked you anyway, I only put up with you because you were well hung!"

Bitches. (that includes you, Emertt)