Plan " B" at qb

[skinsdad62]

If it's so bad, why on earth would Washington want to keep any of them? Sounds like bad keepers that is of course, you're playing the worse case scenario.

well again why make them center pieces of a trade and think the texans will bite off on it ?

 

[j_y19]

You're probably right but even if they decide to play hardball it's not going to end well for them. In as much as trade offers are concerned, it would be football malpractice to not only inquire but put the offer on the table. Who knows, what they will ultimately do, but with offers given they would have options.

oh, I'm inquiring. If any deal is to happen, i see it unfolding right before the draft. that's when most of the wild deals happen.

 

[Stymietee]

i am confused , you are trying to sell me that trading for DW that we can get good players later in the draft but if we keep our picks our new FO cant hit on the right guys ?

hurney usually hits the first rounder pretty well but the knock is he doesnt find guys later in the draft and that is where mayhew fits in . now we kept eric stokes who drafted the legion of boom and was with smith during our good run at hitting on late round picks and UDRFA's

i posted mayhews draft record in his hire thread or the kyle smith is gone thread his record in the later rounds was fairly good

I'm saying that this "new" FO is in a prove it position with me. Others may be convinced, but I'm not, so yeah it's possible that they can get good players in the later rounds, they can theoretically hit on guys in the draft, but once again it's a prove it situation.

 

[Stymietee]

well again why make them center pieces of a trade and think the texans will bite off on it ?

Because they are part of a deal that nets our guy at QB. They bite because they had one of the worse defenses in the league last year. Our injured defensive guys with their current injuries are way better than anything that they have.

 

[Sportster 72]

not at 12 , and 19 is a stretch

I was just commenting that I like him.

 

[skinsdad62]

Because they are part of a deal that nets our guy at QB. They bite because they had one of the worse defenses in the league last year. Our injured defensive guys with their current injuries are way better than anything that they have.

I don’t think they move the needle at all , throw chase and sweat in there instead

 

[skinz2winz]

I don’t think they move the needle at all , throw chase and sweat in there instead

So when DW is traded here for what Sty's offer you say does not move the needle or anything similar then you would have to agree that we did not gut our draft or future drafts and got DW on a solid deal.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I like reading these stupid DW trade scenio i say screw DW and go after Patrick Mahomes

2021 First 2022 First. 2023 first 2024 first

2021 Second. 2022 second

2022 3rd 2023 3rd 2023 7

2024 4th 2025 5th

Chase Young, Terry Mac Scheref Sweat hell throw in Curl to

 

[Stymietee]

I don’t think they move the needle at all , throw chase and sweat in there instead

You're entitled to your opinion and I'll have to respect that despite the fact that we disagree.

 

[Stymietee]

So when DW is traded here for what Sty's offer you say does not move the needle or anything similar then you would have to agree that we did not gut our draft or future drafts and got DW on a solid deal.

Then there's the opposite side of the equation, i.e. what does that draft capital translate into for Houston?

Put another way, let's say that of the teams mentioned, Miami, N.Y. Jets, Raiders, WFT, Detroit etc., which is likely to end up with the higher draft pick(s) in future years if a trade is made with any of them? This is something that the Texans must consider if they are compelled to move Watson.

 

[Stymietee]

I like reading these stupid DW trade scenio i say screw DW and go after Patrick Mahomes

2021 First 2022 First. 2023 first 2024 first

2021 Second. 2022 second

2022 3rd 2023 3rd 2023 7

2024 4th 2025 5th

Chase Young, Terry Mac Scheref Sweat hell throw in Curl to

Guess what makes them "stupid" from your perspective?

 

[Stymietee]

I don’t think they move the needle at all , throw chase and sweat in there instead

I know why you'd prefer to "throw chase and sweat in there instead" and it's symbolic in the manner in which WFT fans have become comfortable with low expectations. Be honest, isn't that a non-starter? (Chase and Sweat)

Now with respect to low expectations, I want to first say that it's not the fault of any loyal follower of this team. It comes from years of overt conditioning leading to the symptoms that we see every day on forums like this one. Some recent and really good examples are as follows:

Fear... holding on to something valued in expectation that you'll end up with another Albert Haynesworth or worse "gutting"
the draft" or "mortgaging the future" when what's actually meant is.. in Washington winning doesn't happen even with
the right pieces in place. So when a "right piece" becomes available it's "let's not do that" because it'll ruin the great
success that we've had doing it the other way. You know, "winning off the field!"

Hope... I'll call it the Brady syndrome which allows for that miracle "find" in later rounds despite the odds and no history of the same
happening for a Daniel Snyder owned team.

My Cousin Kirky... Serviceable, dependable, steady, good citizen but always in the middle of the pack, which is where you end up
drafting. You want Jones or any of those 2nd tier guys, then to quote a friend, "you should have kept Kirk!"

If Only... It happens every year, and it always begins with not doing something in favor of doing something later, when you have to
settle for left overs, second tier guys, or my favorite, perhaps someone will fall to us, blah, blah blah.

Not going to happen ... Until it does, but not here right? There are going to be at least 10 to 18 QB's on new teams in 2021 including
Houston, Dallas, Detroit and Philadelphia and that's been unheard of until now. Is it truly unimaginable to
see that Washington will be one of those teams too? Needing to upgrade is nice and Taylor Heinicke is an
upgrade over anything that played in the regular season last year, but honestly, isn't an upgrade over him
what it's going to take to win a singular or multiple Super Bowls?

"Competitive"... The great calling call of the thundering loser herd! Who wants to be competitive outside of folks who are settling for
less? I don't want to be competitive, what I do want is dominance where the greatest competition comes from
practice and for that to happen you have to get the best or at least as close to the best that the cap will allow. It has
happened here before and can again with brilliant decision making, the penchant to always be in upgrade mode
and building a first class destination place for every aspiring pro-bowler and Super Bowl winner. Never heard of it in
D.C.? See: How is it that other teams can do that, and we can't!

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Trade for Mahomes he is better then Watson RR and the FO should be fired for not calling the chiefs

 

[Stymietee]

Trade for Mahomes he is better then Watson RR and the FO should be fired for not callin

Nevermind, enjoy yourself!

 

[skinsdad62]

So when DW is traded here for what Sty's offer you say does not move the needle or anything similar then you would have to agree that we did not gut our draft or future drafts and got DW on a solid deal.

what i am saying is the texans do not bite on that offer

 

[skinsdad62]

I know why you'd prefer to "throw chase and sweat in there instead" and it's symbolic in the manner in which WFT fans have become comfortable with low expectations. Be honest, isn't that a non-starter? (Chase and Sweat)

Now with respect to low expectations, I want to first say that it's not the fault of any loyal follower of this team. It comes from years of overt conditioning leading to the symptoms that we see every day on forums like this one. Some recent and really good examples are as follows:

Fear... holding on to something valued in expectation that you'll end up with another Albert Haynesworth or worse "gutting"
the draft" or "mortgaging the future" when what's actually meant is.. in Washington winning doesn't happen even with
the right pieces in place. So when a "right piece" becomes available it's "let's not do that" because it'll ruin the great
success that we've had doing it the other way. You know, "winning off the field!"

Hope... I'll call it the Brady syndrome which allows for that miracle "find" in later rounds despite the odds and no history of the same
happening for a Daniel Snyder owned team.

My Cousin Kirky... Serviceable, dependable, steady, good citizen but always in the middle of the pack, which is where you end up
drafting. You want Jones or any of those 2nd tier guys, then to quote a friend, "you should have kept Kirk!"

If Only... It happens every year, and it always begins with not doing something in favor of doing something later, when you have to
settle for left overs, second tier guys, or my favorite, perhaps someone will fall to us, blah, blah blah.

Not going to happen ... Until it does, but not here right? There are going to be at least 10 to 18 QB's on new teams in 2021 including
Houston, Dallas, Detroit and Philadelphia and that's been unheard of until now. Is it truly unimaginable to
see that Washington will be one of those teams too? Needing to upgrade is nice and Taylor Heinicke is an
upgrade over anything that played in the regular season last year, but honestly, isn't an upgrade over him
what it's going to take to win a singular or multiple Super Bowls?

"Competitive"... The great calling call of the thundering loser herd! Who wants to be competitive outside of folks who are settling for
less? I don't want to be competitive, what I do want is dominance where the greatest competition comes from
practice and for that to happen you have to get the best or at least as close to the best that the cap will allow. It has
happened here before and can again with brilliant decision making, the penchant to always be in upgrade mode
and building a first class destination place for every aspiring pro-bowler and Super Bowl winner. Never heard of it in
D.C.? See: How is it that other teams can do that, and we can't!

i am saying the texans are not going to except what you are offering . and what you are offering wont beat the competition . you will have to part with young /sweat or both

you wont get DW without doing that . offering injured ash and trash who arent difference makers wont get you a DW . you will have to gut some drafts and give up a difference maker on defense . ionman is an above avg DT who is a BU in our system LC is a dinosaur without a real position . kyle allen is BU signal caller

i am saying all these "deals " we are proposing here wont get it done

not to mention the texans wont trade him until TC or the beginning of the season or maybe even next year

 

[Stymietee]

what i am saying is the texans do not bite on that offer

Do you think it wise for the Texans to at minimum listen to what callers are offering?
(I know that it's the Texans and wise isn't their strongsuit at the moment)

I believe that it's a wise thing to do and as such they are pleased with what they're hearing right now. It is because of that that my offer will sound and ultimately be the very best one that they get. Knowing this, they will jump at that offer and walk away pleased as pie.

 

[skinsdad62]

Do you think it wise for the Texans to at minimum listen to what callers are offering?
(I know that it's the Texans and wise isn't their strongsuit at the moment)

I believe that it's a wise thing to do and as such they are pleased with what they're hearing right now. It is because of that that my offer will sound and ultimately be the very best one that they get. Knowing this, they will jump at that offer and walk away pleased as pie.

factor in their cap as well . they just got under it by releasing watt . ionman isnt a huge hit but LC is

 

[Stymietee]

i am saying the texans are not going to except what you are offering . and what you are offering wont beat the competition . you will have to part with young /sweat or both

you wont get DW without doing that . offering injured ash and trash who arent difference makers wont get you a DW . you will have to gut some drafts and give up a difference maker on defense . ionman is an above avg DT who is a BU in our system LC is a dinosaur without a real position . kyle allen is BU signal caller

i am saying all these "deals " we are proposing here wont get it done

not to mention the texans wont trade him until TC or the beginning of the season or maybe even next year

Yes they will and do so happilly. There won't be better offers coming their way. Miami won't make a better offer, Detroit won't, the Jets are either staying with Darnold or Selecting his replacement in the draft. Whoever is left won't match that offer. There is one exception and that's Dallas, who might be willing to swap QB's straight up. I know that it's not the blockbuster that everyone is predicting but hey, it's a Texas, my balls are bigger than yours kinda thing to Dak And Deshaun.

 

[Stymietee]

factor in their cap as well . they just got under it by releasing watt . ionman isnt a huge hit but LC is

Aren't they actually saving money by releasing Watt and trading Watson?