philosophies of SMGM

[skinsdad62]

1 ) players drafted in rounds 1-4 are as likely to succeed as a free agent and they cost less

2 ) getting value for most free agent signings is impossible . almost always you will over pay

3) waiver wire guys are better values then FA's and often are as good as free agent players

4 ) rbs and ILBs have the least value

5) 80 grade athletes age gracefully a julius peppers or a charles woodson are older guys you can sign and still get value . hence the davis signing and kicking the tires on bolden

6) young teams are better then older teams

so perhaps this will shed light on what SMGM is doing and some of these things posters on this board have advocated for years

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

he has also said free agents that he picks up does not effect the way he drafts its about getting the best 98 and narrow it down to 53 so i would say hes going to draft kelly or doctson at 21 he wont draft a nt 21

 

[gkekoa]

he has also said free agents that he picks up does not effect the way he drafts its about getting the best 98 and narrow it down to 53 so i would say hes going to draft kelly or doctson at 21 he wont draft a nt 21

Why?

 

[skinsdad62]

Why?

that is my question , why wouldnt he take a d/lineman ?

 

[Tdog21Skins]

Yeah why wouldn't we take a Dlineman? Of course we can always use a center cause Kory Lichtensteiger should be replaced, but we can also use Dline help with Pot Roast gone and Hatcher both gone we can go DL with the 21st pick. To me Stephen Paea definitely has to step it up this year.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

the'best 2 dlineman will be'gone'by the time we pick hell there could easly be 3 dt taking befor we pick butler, reed, ashawen will be gone so do we draft austin johnson from penn st at 21? i predict wr doctson or kelly will be the'pick because thats where the value is at at 21 and we need more wr and'centers battles in camp we will draft dlineman but not at 21 lets be real plus drafting doctson at 21 will force djax and garcon and crowder to step up its all about competiton with scott

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

the value at 21 will be doctson and kelly the second best wr and the best center inthis draft so do you take leap frog doctson to protect your self next year from carcon and djax contracts thinking youmwill only resign one of them back or do you take kelly probaly a pro bowl center and you oline will be'solid for years doctson or kelly will be the pick book it it just make sense

 

[gkekoa]

We will take BPA at 21.

 

[reptec101]

1 ) players drafted in rounds 1-4 are as likely to succeed as a free agent and they cost less

2 ) getting value for most free agent signings is impossible . almost always you will over pay

3) waiver wire guys are better values then FA's and often are as good as free agent players

4 ) rbs and ILBs have the least value

5) 80 grade athletes age gracefully a julius peppers or a charles woodson are older guys you can sign and still get value . hence the davis signing and kicking the tires on bolden

6) young teams are better then older teams

so perhaps this will shed light on what SMGM is doing and some of these things posters on this board have advocated for years

I cant agree with number 1. That's like saying a highly praised youth football player is as likely to make the pro's than an all American college football player in division one. A FA has already established himself and you know his potential

Are these items something that has been documented of him saying or simply what type of a GM that you see him as? Cause really,,, nothing ground breaking here. However, on number 1 I wouldn't go as far as saying that a 4th round player is as likely to succeed as an already established player. Chances to me are that a highly taunted FA will have a greater impact on your team next couple years then any 4th rounder would... on high average.

 

[deanpet21]

You don't have to take a dlineman at 21 b/c you can wait until the 2nd round and still get a quality one. I think everyone would be happy with a Kelly and Johnson from Penn st draft for the first two picks.

 

[skinsdad62]

I cant agree with number 1. That's like saying a highly praised youth football player is as likely to make the pro's than an all American college football player in division one. A FA has already established himself and you know his potential

Are these items something that has been documented of him saying or simply what type of a GM that you see him as? Cause really,,, nothing ground breaking here. However, on number 1 I wouldn't go as far as saying that a 4th round player is as likely to succeed as an already established player. Chances to me are that a highly taunted FA will have a greater impact on your team next couple years then any 4th rounder would... on high average.

yes , he has said that and its mark murphy's philosophy as well and most free agents fail

 

[skinsdad62]

You don't have to take a dlineman at 21 b/c you can wait until the 2nd round and still get a quality one. I think everyone would be happy with a Kelly and Johnson from Penn st draft for the first two picks.

here we go with silliness . you take the best player you can regardless of position or perceived depth . if the d/lineman is your highest rated guy you take him period

 

[deanpet21]

here we go with silliness . you take the best player you can regardless of position or perceived depth . if the d/lineman is your highest rated guy you take him period

depth does have something to do with it. In this draft its very possible that the DL we take at #21 would still be there in the 2nd round. For example Reed's grade could 85 and Johnson's grade could be 83. You can bypass Reed in the first round and get Johnson in the 2nd round without losing talent.

 

[Sportster 72]

I cant agree with number 1. That's like saying a highly praised youth football player is as likely to make the pro's than an all American college football player in division one. A FA has already established himself and you know his potential

Are these items something that has been documented of him saying or simply what type of a GM that you see him as? Cause really,,, nothing ground breaking here. However, on number 1 I wouldn't go as far as saying that a 4th round player is as likely to succeed as an already established player. Chances to me are that a highly taunted FA will have a greater impact on your team next couple years then any 4th rounder would... on high average.

If you made a list of FAs signed there would be more negatives than positives and they cost a lot more. Not only do I believe this but more importantly McCloughan has said it a number of times.

 

[skinsdad62]

depth does have something to do with it. In this draft its very possible that the DL we take at #21 would still be there in the 2nd round. For example Reed's grade could 85 and Johnson's grade could be 83. You can bypass Reed in the first round and get Johnson in the 2nd round without losing talent.

no it really doesnt , you take the BPA on your board . ratings are not the end all be all and more often then not they are totally wrong . there is know way to know at this point if reed and johnson are equals on the field . you take the best guys and you dont get cute

too many times i have seen good players get passed by and then are lost by being to cute or trying to out think everybody . if the d/lineman is the best guy at 21 you take him

 

[deanpet21]

I thought every player gets a numeric grade?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I cant agree with number 1. That's like saying a highly praised youth football player is as likely to make the pro's than an all American college football player in division one. A FA has already established himself and you know his potential

Are these items something that has been documented of him saying or simply what type of a GM that you see him as? Cause really,,, nothing ground breaking here. However, on number 1 I wouldn't go as far as saying that a 4th round player is as likely to succeed as an already established player. Chances to me are that a highly taunted FA will have a greater impact on your team next couple years then any 4th rounder would... on high average.

Hmmm - try applying this to the actual rosters of successful NFL teams & you might view this differently. The Redskins still have a ways to go, but they have several successful 3rd & 4th rounders including Cousins, Reed, Jones & Breeland. Except for Jackson & Garcon (& Lich if he hangs around) the entire offense is made up of their own draft picks & this is only at the start of SM's reign. The defense has a bit more FAs but most of those are the ones who were brought in cheaply.

Many other good NFL teams adhere to this philosophy. The exception generally comes once a team is a player or two away from a legit SB run. Look at the Packers - almost all of their players are home grown. On the flip side you have a team like the Dolphins who - ala the old Redskins - try to build via free agency & their recent track record has been pretty awful. Sure a given FA may be more proven than a certain high draft pick, but overall this philosophy is proven to be successful.

 

[skinsdad62]

I thought every player gets a numeric grade?

they may get a grade but it is subjective and hence isnt the end all be all

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

smh the bpa at 21 will be kelly or doctson jesus

 

[Sleepy T]

smh the bpa at 21 will be kelly or doctson jesus

horseshit coach someone else will be graded higher than a freakin Center and will be there just sayin take it to the bank asshat Lolol