Paul George to Celtics??

[tlance]

What good does 2021 & 2023 picks do for Indianapolis now or in 2018, 2019, 2020?? Dealing a player for a dream in 4 or 6 years isn't exactly a fair exchange.

Nothing.

But that is exactly what Celtic fans said when they dealt KG and Pierce to brooklyn. How did that work out?

Help now isn't necessary. Part of the point of rebuilding is that they need to suck for a bit so they can get high picks of their own. Then, if they add in Cleveland's picks just as their guys start to get better, they are in business.

Future picks that could be high lottery selections will help more than picks today in the teens. The Cavs are payroll strapped right now. When the wheels come off, they will really suck, just like the Nets. It will take a few years for that to happen. 2021 looks like perfect timing to me.

 

[trojanfan12]

Nothing.

But that is exactly what Celtic fans said when they dealt KG and Pierce to brooklyn. How did that work out?

Help now isn't necessary. Part of the point of rebuilding is that they need to suck for a bit so they can get high picks of their own. Then, if they add in Cleveland's picks just as their guys start to get better, they are in business.

Future picks that could be high lottery selections will help more than picks today in the teens. The Cavs are payroll strapped right now. When the wheels come off, they will really suck, just like the Nets. It will take a few years for that to happen. 2021 looks like perfect timing to me.

I would add that if the Pacers rebuild is going fairly well by then and they are looking for players to get them to the next step, those picks could be used to get them what they need. Especially if they are lottery picks.

 

[BigKen]

I would add that if the Pacers rebuild is going fairly well by then and they are looking for players to get them to the next step, those picks could be used to get them what they need. Especially if they are lottery picks.

We all have to admit that any draft is a crap shoot. Right now Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson all appear to be gold nuggets. How many, if any, are fools gold? How may are just shiny rocks. Is there a kid who was take in in the 40th-50th picks who everyone will kick themselves for not drafting because he's another Michael Jordan??

Having a boatload of lottery picks doesn't mean that anyone will be willing to deal for them. What the Celtics are seeing is that everyone is demanding the moon for players that the C's are inquiring about. Ainge said in an interview yesterday that fans and the media make dealing picks and players simple because they have no idea of what actually has to get done to meet every little rule that the NBA has in place when a trade is made. He said not only are there players and/or picks, there's the salary cap, the structure of both teams and what has to be done to your team if a trade is made, and the final and often the most constricting thing, player contracts. He said every trade is at least a handful of extra strength Tylenol.

 

[knowyourenemy]

So John Wall wants the Wizards to get involved. I suppose that would have to be centered around a sign-and-trade with Otto Porter. Not sure Washington has enough to get it done, though Porter is a nice piece.

 

[Mecca]

Wojo....

Sources: Celtics working to land both Gordon Hayward and Paul George

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Celtics sticking it to the Lakers again

 

[BigKen]

Sources: Celtics working to land both Gordon Hayward and Paul George

Adrian Wojnarowski
The Vertical
Yahoo SportsJune 27, 2017

Boston Celtics are pursuing an aggressive summer plan of sequencing the signing of free agent Gordon Hayward and relinquishing the assets needed to complete a trade for Paul George, league sources told The Vertical.'>The Boston Celtics are pursuing an aggressive summer plan of sequencing the signing of free agent Gordon Hayward and relinquishing the assets needed to complete a trade for Paul George, league sources told The Vertical.

For salary-cap purposes, Boston wants a Hayward commitment before it can finalize a trade for George and secure the most dynamic free-agent coup in franchise history, league sources said.

For Boston, here’s the hitch: While Indiana believes Boston can offer the best possible package, the Pacers may be unwilling to wait until the start of July free agency on Boston’s timetable and could turn toward making a deal elsewhere for George, league sources told The Vertical.

Boston has maneuvering to do with its roster, including the shedding of salaries to create space to position itself for this scenario. Boston has contingencies in place to make deals and start a possible Hayward-George scenario toward fruition, league sources told The Vertical.

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The Celtics hope to lure Gordon Hayward away from the Jazz. (Getty)
If Boston can’t acquire Hayward, Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin could be a substitute in this free-agency plan to sign a star and then trade for George, league sources told The Vertical.

Utah is fighting to hold onto Hayward in free agency, but is exploring multiple scenarios to reshape the roster should the All-Star forward leave the franchise. The Jazz are working to upgrade the roster, including point guard, before July 1 when Hayward will start taking meetings with Boston and Miami in free agency, league sources said.

Indiana has been focused on trying to complete a deal with Boston for George, league sources told The Vertical. The sides were growing close to a deal on draft night, but a third-team scenario fell through late in the evening that stalled talks. Indiana is desirous of the young players and future draft picks that Boston is uniquely able to offer the Pacers for George.

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The Celtics have a growing confidence they could sign George to a contract extension, and keep him from leaving to his predetermined free-agent destination of the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told The Vertical. Boston’s belief that it can make George more than a one-year rental is fueling the franchise’s willingness to part with a significant package of assets, league sources said.

Indiana could potentially allow George and his representation to speak to potential suitors about a contract extension should a trade happen, but that permission hasn’t been granted yet, league sources told The Vertical.

George, 27, informed the Pacers on June 17 that he planned to leave the Pacers in 2018 as a free agent, and his preference was to sign a deal with his hometown Los Angeles Lakers.

George is a four-time All-Star and one of the NBA’s elite two-way players.

 

[trojanfan12]

Having a boatload of lottery picks doesn't mean that anyone will be willing to deal for them.

Since when?

What the Celtics are seeing is that everyone is demanding the moon for players that the C's are inquiring about.

Of course they are. They'd be stupid not to.

Everyone knows how many picks Danny is sitting on and that many of them are potential lottery or at least first round picks. Those are very valuable. Teams are always going to try to get as much as they can, especially when they know a team has a lot of valuable assets.

Ainge said in an interview yesterday that fans and the media make dealing picks and players simple because they have no idea of what actually has to get done to meet every little rule that the NBA has in place when a trade is made. He said not only are there players and/or picks, there's the salary cap, the structure of both teams and what has to be done to your team if a trade is made, and the final and often the most constricting thing, player contracts. He said every trade is at least a handful of extra strength Tylenol.

And yet, somehow, trades get made all of the time. Looks like Danny is floating excuses because he's starting to get criticized for not doing anything with those assets he's sitting on.

 

[Gman]

And yet, somehow, trades get made all of the time. Looks like Danny is floating excuses because he's starting to get criticized for not doing anything with those assets he's sitting on.

Anything a good GM says shouldn't be taken at face value... or perhaps even seriously.

I don't believe Ainge is all that concerned about folks criticizing him.

 

[trojanfan12]

Anything a good GM says shouldn't be taken at face value... or perhaps even seriously.

I don't believe Ainge is all that concerned about folks criticizing him.

He didn't say that. I did.

The criticism is legit. Those assets don't mean anything if he doesn't use them.

 

[Gman]

The criticism is legit. Those assets don't mean anything if he doesn't use them.

Buckle up for July 1st.

 

[Sparhawk]

He didn't say that. I did.

The criticism is legit. Those assets don't mean anything if he doesn't use them.

He could be playing the long game, building a team to win 5 years from now.
I think we'll know soon enough if he can acquire both GH and PG.

 

[trojanfan12]

Buckle up for July 1st.

It'll be interesting. Especially if he truly is ready to start turning those assets into something. He has the Celtics in a unique position to be able to play to win now, while still being able to build for the future as well.

He just needs to pull the trigger on the right deal.

The more I think about it, with the Celtics assets, as long as they get GH and don't do something crazy. They could actually take the risk of bringing in PG on a possible 1 year rental and still be in good shape for the future if he decides to leave.

 

[trojanfan12]

He could be playing the long game, building a team to win 5 years from now.
I think we'll know soon enough if he can acquire both GH and PG.

If he's smart about it, he actually has them positioned to win now and play the long game.

 

[Sparhawk]

If he's smart about it, he actually has them positioned to win now and play the long game.

Whether or not IT gets a max deal will be interesting...

 

[Gman]

A possible (partial) solution to the C's size and rebounding woes?:

Ante Zizic in Boston to begin practicing with Celtics - The Boston Globe


Celtics 2016 draft pick Ante Zizic has arrived in Boston and will join the team for its first summer league practice this week, according to the team’s director of player personnel, Austin Ainge.

Ainge said Zizic got to Boston Sunday. On Monday the 6-foot-11-inch center completed a workout at the team’s Waltham training facility.

“I took him downtown last night a little bit,” Ainge said. “He’s just doing things like getting workouts in, getting medical stuff, physicals done, all that type of stuff. He’s ready for summer league.”

The Celtics selected Zizic with the 23rd overall pick of the 2016 draft. He spent this past season playing for the Turkish club Darussafaka Dogus in the high-level Euroleague. He shot 64.9 percent from the field and averaged 9 points and 6.7 rebounds in 21.9 minutes per game for a team that was guided by former Cavaliers coach David Blatt.

 

[Gman]

Rumored offer on the table for PG:


Includes:
- 2 1st rounders (but not next years Nets pick)
- Jae Crowder
- an extra guy... possibly Avery Bradley, possibly not

Paul George would sign a 3 yr extension

 

[tlance]

Rumored offer on the table for PG:


Includes:
- 2 1st rounders (but not next years Nets pick)
- Jae Crowder
- an extra guy... possibly Avery Bradley, possibly not

Paul George would sign a 3 yr extension

That would be a real coup for the Celtics. Keeping the Nets pick too? Wow.

Now I know why the Pacers are still looking elsewhere. I thought the Nets pick was included. Still, going to be hard for them to find another team willing to move a pick likely to be top 5.

 

[Gman]

That would be a real coup for the Celtics. Keeping the Nets pick too? Wow.

Now I know why the Pacers are still looking elsewhere. I thought the Nets pick was included. Still, going to be hard for them to find another team willing to move a pick likely to be top 5.

That's the thing... who can offer more than the C's are offering, even without the Nets pick included?

The answer is no one.

 

[tlance]

That's the thing... who can offer more than the C's are offering, even without the Nets pick included?

The answer is no one.

You are exactly right.

The Lakers could, I suppose, but it wouldn't be in their best interests.