Palmer Possibly Looking For New Team

[flamingrey]

The 2011-2012 season says "hello".

 

[Tubbs1518]

The 2011-2012 season says "hello".

They had actual talented defensive players then Seymore, Bryant, Huff, etc.

 

[flamingrey]

They had actual talented defensive players then Seymore, Bryant, Huff, etc.

But a really really crappy defense. THAT's the point.

Seymour isn't/wasn't a shell of what he used to be. He is/was just a name. Bryant was very good. Huff was good.

 

[futballiscool]

Arizona just makes too much sense at this point.

they just cut Kolb. it's looking more and more like Geno's not making it to 7. their HC is 60 so I don't think they're on a 5 yr plan.

if it's not Palmer, they're trying to trade for someone.

 

[futballiscool]

Cornerback salaries dive in free agency; Geno Smith to Eagles? - NFL.com

"Both franchises are wiping the slate clean and starting over. They seem fine letting their players go. It's one reason why I won't be surprised if (when?) Oakland cuts Carson Palmer."


An NFL network insider reporter says it again.

I don't understand how it makes sense to cut him, but the GM has to cut him if he doesn't have a trade lined up.

These reporters (Mortensen, Schefter, etc) are mouthpieces for the organization. Their GM will look weak if he doesnt follow through on a threat like this..

 

[Tubbs1518]

Cornerback salaries dive in free agency; Geno Smith to Eagles? - NFL.com

"Both franchises are wiping the slate clean and starting over. They seem fine letting their players go. It's one reason why I won't be surprised if (when?) Oakland cuts Carson Palmer."


An NFL network insider reporter says it again.

I don't understand how it makes sense to cut him, but the GM has to cut him if he doesn't have a trade lined up.

These reporters (Mortensen, Schefter, etc) are mouthpieces for the organization. Their GM will look weak if he doesnt follow through on a threat like this..

I told you it would more than likely happen.

 

[futballiscool]

I told you it would more than likely happen.

I think he has trade value (the Chiefs were holding onto Cassel in the hopes they could force a trade, not making this up)

There could already be a handshake agreement on a trade... you never know.. we'll see how it plays out..

I dont see how cutting him makes logistical sense, but I admit when I'm wrong, so I'll have no issue saying as much if gets the ax.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I think he has trade value (the Chiefs were holding onto Cassel in the hopes they could force a trade, not making this up)

There could already be a handshake agreement on a trade... you never know.. we'll see how it plays out..

I dont see how cutting him makes logistical sense, but I admit when I'm wrong, so I'll have no issue saying as much if gets the ax.

Likewise, I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong if they keep him. I honestly see NO possible way they keep him though. It makes even less sense to keep him. At least they get some money back and they can see what the young guy can do. Trading him I didn't consider a possibility before because I didn't think he would have any suitors, but I could see Arizona pulling the trigger. He would be a good fit there and Oakland could get back at least something of what they gave up to get him.

 

[flamingrey]

Likewise, I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong if they keep him. I honestly see NO possible way they keep him though. It makes even less sense to keep him. At least they get some money back and they can see what the young guy can do. Trading him I didn't consider a possibility before because I didn't think he would have any suitors, but I could see Arizona pulling the trigger. He would be a good fit there and Oakland could get back at least something of what they gave up to get him.

Let's not take it out of context.

The people that thought Carson would be cut thought the team would want to get rid of him/his contract. This has Carson forcing their hand written all over it.

It makes all the sense in the world for them to keep him, but only with a restructured contract, which the team wants. Carson refuses to do it.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Let's not take it out of context.

The people that thought Carson would be cut thought the team would want to get rid of him/his contract. This has Carson forcing their hand written all over it.

It makes all the sense in the world for them to keep him, but only with a restructured contract, which the team wants. Carson refuses to do it.

Which is one of the things I said might happen. Why would he want to stay on that team for less money? They stink. I never said the team would release him because they wanted too, but that they would have too. He isn't taking less money to stay on a team that is going to be that bad next year. I wouldn't either.

 

[flamingrey]

It has nothing to do with money for Carson. It never has. He took a pay cut in 2011. He restructured in 2012. He would've done the same this year, but he sees a better situation elsewhere. He's forcing the issue.

 

[Tubbs1518]

It has nothing to do with money for Carson. It never has. He took a pay cut in 2011. He restructured in 2012. He would've done the same this year, but he sees a better situation elsewhere. He's forcing the issue.

Im agreeing with you. Not sure what you are arguing about.

 

[cincygrad]

Carson is 33. He can either waste away on a bad team or force a release and get one more shot to lead a winning team. I agree with you guys - He's playing a card by not taking a pay cut.

But the Raiders could still call his bluff. They released enough players to be relevant in FA for key additions. They could hold onto Palmer through the draft, making it difficult for Palmer to be an option for another club. They could then ask him to take a paycut in June and release him if he doesn't. At that point, his one option to start might be Oakland.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Carson is 33. He can either waste away on a bad team or force a release and get one more shot to lead a winning team. I agree with you guys - He's playing a card by not taking a pay cut.

But the Raiders could still call his bluff. They released enough players to be relevant in FA for key additions. They could hold onto Palmer through the draft, making it difficult for Palmer to be an option for another club. They could then ask him to take a paycut in June and release him if he doesn't. At that point, his one option to start might be Oakland.

If I'm Oakland and He won't take a pay cut and I can't trade him, I'd just bench him. Play Pryor instead. If you are going to keep him regardless, shouldn't you learn what Pryor has this year?

 

[futballiscool]

Carson is 33. He can either waste away on a bad team or force a release and get one more shot to lead a winning team. I agree with you guys - He's playing a card by not taking a pay cut.

But the Raiders could still call his bluff. They released enough players to be relevant in FA for key additions. They could hold onto Palmer through the draft, making it difficult for Palmer to be an option for another club. They could then ask him to take a paycut in June and release him if he doesn't. At that point, his one option to start might be Oakland.

These are fair points, but I don't think anyone in Oakland has a vindictive grudge against Palmer or vice versa. It's not 2011 MB vs. CP again. If you don't want to pay a guy his salary you can either trade him or cut him. If you hold on to his contract out of spite so you can release him in the summer, you send a really bad signal to players negotiating with your team in the future. I don't think a GM early in his tenure wants that rep.

The variables for me are whether Palmer is willing to restructure for another team and if there are any legitimate trade offers. only Palmer, his agent and the GM know for sure.

 

[cincygrad]

I didn't mean to suggest they would do it out of spite.

It's in their best interests in hanging on to the guy until they have another option. If they don't believe that Pryor is that option, that means they have to wait until the draft. Anything can happen on draft day and if you don't get your guy, you still have Palmer to be a starter. And, you can then play another game of chicken with him now that there are less starting jobs available.

As for bad signals..... Even teams like New England play hard ball with vets that carry big contracts. It's just part of the game.

 

[futballiscool]

I didn't mean to suggest they would do it out of spite.

It's in their best interests in hanging on to the guy until they have another option. If they don't believe that Pryor is that option, that means they have to wait until the draft. Anything can happen on draft day and if you don't get your guy, you still have Palmer to be a starter. And, you can then play another game of chicken with him now that there are less starting jobs available.

As for bad signals..... Even teams like New England play hard ball with vets that carry big contracts. It's just part of the game.

There's playing hard ball during contract negotiations. NE are the masters at this.. But in this case the contract is already signed.. at that point an organization has to honor it or move on.. they could manufacture leverage by putting the player in a bind for the 2013 season, but I'm not sure that's in a GMs best interest overall when he'll be negotiating more contacts down the road.. if they're trying to drum up trade interest with a suitor it'd be one thing, but otherwise I don't think a team can get away with it..

I'm not sure what hand the Raiders were playing going to the media saying their starting QB takes a pay cut or else.. the "or else" benefits that player more than the franchise..

it's an interesting case. even though he's not a Bengal anymore, I followed this situation closely enough to see that contracts aren't just about the money, but about the player's future leverage.. Flacco's practically a part owner of the Ravens until he retires

 

[cincygrad]

Contracts these days are basically meaningless -- They're all structured with big signing bonuses that spread over multiple years, small early salaries to help cap hits and large late salaries that are never realized.....

Unless your the Bengals that is.

 

[kramer1]

How much guaranteed money in Carson's contract are the Raiders still on the hook for?

 

[DanBengalfan]

"I need about tree fitty"