PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[socaljim242]

Bro you aren't a fan of the Cracker Barrel? It's LIT!!

Never been but I think I gain a few pounds just thinking about it. lol

 

[socaljim242]

Not sure what you're disagreeing with.

Everything about those neutral games. All the reasons, all the excuses. That stadium, a couple days of trying to find something to do in Dallas . lol.

 

[trojanfan12]

Everything about those neutral games. All the reasons, all the excuses. That stadium, a couple days of trying to find something to do in Dallas . lol.

That's why I said I don't see myself going to one. I want that college atmosphere.

 

[socaljim242]

That's why I said I don't see myself going to one. I want that college atmosphere.

Yup. Once the game started it was ok. Not great because that stadium doesn't have an ounce of charm. It was a waste of money to get there a couple days before the game. We were out in Dallas the night before the game and it was just any normal Friday night.

 

[wazzu31]

There seems to be growing skepticism re: that game happening. But I have no doubt that both Alabama and USC (and probably the NCAA) are exhausting every possible scenario to make sure the game happens.

The biggest obstacles seem to be the thought that LA County is looking at extending the stay at home order 3 more months and the state being slow re: opening things back up.

Technically, I think USC may be able to do what they want with regard to the State because as a private school they aren't part of the Cal State or UC systems.

But I don't think they can go against the county (which seems weird, but it's California sooo...).

Truthfully if SC (or a Pac 12 school) plays a game when students aren’t allowed on campus, IMO that will really hurt college sports. Thus admitting that they aren’t really student athletes.

 

[trojanfan12]

Truthfully if SC (or a Pac 12 school) plays a game when students aren’t allowed on campus, IMO that will really hurt college sports. Thus admitting that they aren’t really student athletes.

I disagree.

Right now, students are taking their classes online including the players. Having the players actually on campus and taking their classes online and coaches making sure they're actually taking the classes would make them look even more like students, imo.

You could make a case that allowing the fall sports teams (especially football) on campus could be the first step towards all students returning to school.

Using the football team as an example, they spend most of their time at the football facility anyway. They and any necessary personnel, could be safely housed at the football facility while continuing to take classes online, etc.

If that goes well, maybe they can start having regular students on campus. Perhaps starting with those whose classes are harder to teach online?

Additionally, whether anyone likes it or not, there are huge financial issues that would arise without football.

At USC, for example, the only other sport that even pays for itself is basketball and that's about all they accomplish. If they make a profit, it likely negligible.

Every other sport operates at a loss. But the football team, even in down years, pays for itself and every other sport offered at USC, including the basketball team if they have a shortfall.

Without the revenue generated by football, you'll likely see a lot of schools cutting several sports teams.

That means kids who now either have to figure out how to pay for college themselves or try to transfer to a school that is still offering their sport.

 

[wazzu31]

I disagree.

Right now, students are taking their classes online including the players. Having the players actually on campus and taking their classes online and coaches making sure they're actually taking the classes would make them look even more like students, imo.

You could make a case that allowing the fall sports teams (especially football) on campus could be the first step towards all students returning to school.

Using the football team as an example, they spend most of their time at the football facility anyway. They and any necessary personnel, could be safely housed at the football facility while continuing to take classes online, etc.

If that goes well, maybe they can start having regular students on campus. Perhaps starting with those whose classes are harder to teach online?

Additionally, whether anyone likes it or not, there are huge financial issues that would arise without football.

At USC, for example, the only other sport that even pays for itself is basketball and that's about all they accomplish. If they make a profit, it likely negligible.

Every other sport operates at a loss. But the football team, even in down years, pays for itself and every other sport offered at USC, including the basketball team if they have a shortfall.

Without the revenue generated by football, you'll likely see a lot of schools cutting several sports teams.

That means kids who now either have to figure out how to pay for college themselves or try to transfer to a school that is still offering their sport.

I guess we can agree to disagree. I just can’t in anyway see how it isn’t detrimental to those who are trying to hold onto the athletes are student athletes yet they get an in your face difference. We all know athletes get preferential treatment, but this would be taking it IMO to a whole new level.

The revenue part, I could see in a way, except there isn’t going to be any fans so that revenue is going to get slashed and with Mr Brilliant one screwing us with the shitty television deal I can’t see most athletic departments not being in the red unless some major concessions are made by the Pac 12 office, AD’d and Coaches when it comes to taking massive paycuts.

 

[trojanfan12]

I guess we can agree to disagree. I just can’t in anyway see how it isn’t detrimental to those who are trying to hold onto the athletes are student athletes yet they get an in your face difference. We all know athletes get preferential treatment, but this would be taking it IMO to a whole new level.

I don't see how. It's just like people returning to work. The more "essential" the service, the sooner employees for that business will be allowed to return to work and in cases where their job was deemed "essential enough", they have continued to work throughout the pandemic.

If you look at it from a business perspective (and like it or not, colleges are businesses), the football team could be argued to be among the most essential services at a school because of the revenue it produces.

The revenue part, I could see in a way, except there isn’t going to be any fans so that revenue is going to get slashed and with Mr Brilliant one screwing us with the shitty television deal I can’t see most athletic departments not being in the red unless some major concessions are made by the Pac 12 office, AD’d and Coaches when it comes to taking massive paycuts.

Just for the sake of example, let's say they start the season on time, but with only the football team on campus and no fans in the stands.

There will still be tv revenue (no matter how bad the tv deal the PAC has is), there will still be some ad revenue and people will still buy swag, etc.

So, while they would still lose out on the money generated at the gate, they would still have some money coming in as opposed to no money at all.

And if they could find a way to start letting folks into games (even at only half capacity) it would help even more.

 

[wazzu31]

I don't see how. It's just like people returning to work. The more "essential" the service, the sooner employees for that business will be allowed to return to work and in cases where their job was deemed "essential enough", they have continued to work throughout the pandemic.

If you look at it from a business perspective (and like it or not, colleges are businesses), the football team could be argued to be among the most essential services at a school because of the revenue it produces.



Just for the sake of example, let's say they start the season on time, but with only the football team on campus and no fans in the stands.

There will still be tv revenue (no matter how bad the tv deal the PAC has is), there will still be some ad revenue and people will still buy swag, etc.

So, while they would still lose out on the money generated at the gate, they would still have some money coming in as opposed to no money at all.

And if they could find a way to start letting folks into games (even at only half capacity) it would help even more.

I semi agree with you on the essential. Football is essential to the university but since the NCAA’s inception sports have been for amateurs. I can’t find one single thing that keeps them amateurs when students nor academic faculty are allowed on campus.

Of course the tv money will be there, but right now fans and alumni can buy “swag” every athletic department in the conference will be in the red because fans will not be attending let alone schools that are in the black because of basketball won’t be having fans the upcoming season either. I’ll be the first to sign up to attend a game, but no California public university will be allowed, so you guys might but Stanford never has any fans show up anyway. And sadly for Washington and Oregon, what California does we have to follow like idiotic lost puppies.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I semi agree with you on the essential. Football is essential to the university but since the NCAA’s inception sports have been for amateurs. I can’t find one single thing that keeps them amateurs when students nor academic faculty are allowed on campus.

Of course the tv money will be there, but right now fans and alumni can buy “swag” every athletic department in the conference will be in the red because fans will not be attending let alone schools that are in the black because of basketball won’t be having fans the upcoming season either. I’ll be the first to sign up to attend a game, but no California public university will be allowed, so you guys might but Stanford never has any fans show up anyway. And sadly for Washington and Oregon, what California does we have to follow like idiotic lost puppies.

If California isn't able to host events, I wonder if the conference would allow their games vs out of state PAC opponents to be played on the road instead of at home.

 

[trojanfan12]

I semi agree with you on the essential. Football is essential to the university but since the NCAA’s inception sports have been for amateurs. I can’t find one single thing that keeps them amateurs when students nor academic faculty are allowed on campus.

So the fact that they would still be enrolled as students (just like every other student), they would be taking their classes online (just like every other student)...while they are actually physically on campus and preparing to represent the school that they attend on a football field somehow makes them...not students?

How many shots of Fireball did it take to come up with that? lol

 

[trojanfan12]

If California isn't able to host events, I wonder if the conference would allow their games vs out of state PAC opponents to be played on the road instead of at home.

It'll be interesting.

I'm expecting that the state will be getting a lot of pressure from the NCAA, the PAC-12 and all of the California Universities, at least those that play D-1 football, (so probably not UCLA lol) to come up with a plan to allow the games to be played.

Theoretically, they could actually have sporting events while other gatherings aren't allowed as long as there are no fans in the stands.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/usc-ad...alabama-as-scheduled-in-week-1-120227207.html

 

[Thiefery]

It would feel weird if not all conferences were playing this fall at the same time. Hope the powers to be come up with a good plan

 

[trojanfan12]

Anybody who is saying anything definitive right now is just making shit up. Especially when talking about what's going to happen 3 months from now.

I am sure that USC, Alabama and every other program in the country are looking at scenarios that cover everything from starting the season on time, to starting the season late, to canceling the season and every possibility in between.

 

[socaljim242]

Anybody who is saying anything definitive right now is just making shit up. Especially when talking about what's going to happen 3 months from now.

I am sure that USC, Alabama and every other program in the country are looking at scenarios that cover everything from starting the season on time, to starting the season late, to canceling the season and every possibility in between.

Yup

 

[Thiefery]

I hope y'all are right.. just got a text from my mens bible study group (i'm trying to change, heathens) that our pastor has been admitted to ICU.. he's been quarantine'd the past week. He's 54. First person I actually know that has it.. and is in ICU as of now.

 

[socaljim242]

I hope y'all are right.. just got a text from my mens bible study group (i'm trying to change, heathens) that our pastor has been admitted to ICU.. he's been quarantine'd the past week. He's 54. First person I actually know that has it.. and is in ICU as of now.

Sad to hear. I keep hearing the high hopes of the SEC fans and all it's going to take is some assistant coach or trainer who's been working with players during the week to come up positive a couple days before a game and then what do you do? Somehow I don't see coaches in the south conducting practices with masks and not coming close to players.
Maybe now that hospitals are not overrun we can handle the people who do get sick right away and no one dies needlessly. Thats my hope.

 

[trojanfan12]

Sad to hear. I keep hearing the high hopes of the SEC fans and all it's going to take is some assistant coach or trainer who's been working with players during the week to come up positive a couple days before a game and then what do you do? Somehow I don't see coaches in the south conducting practices with masks and not coming close to players.
Maybe now that hospitals are not overrun we can handle the people who do get sick right away and no one dies needlessly. Thats my hope.

That was supposed to be the point of the lockdown in the first place.

Have folks stay home, let the medical system catch up, flatten the curve and then start re-opening.

All of those things have happened except the re-opening part, which is just barely getting underway.

In fact, hospitals have been laying people off because they don't have enough patients.

 

[Thiefery]

That was supposed to be the point of the lockdown in the first place.

Have folks stay home, let the medical system catch up, flatten the curve and then start re-opening.

All of those things have happened except the re-opening part, which is just barely getting underway.

In fact, hospitals have been laying people off because they don't have enough patients.

My neighbor who is also in this bible study group doesn't know how he got exposed to it either. He is a widow, and his children live out of state. We just hope he makes a speedy recovery.