PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[WizardHawk]

I put a lot more on Russell Wilson for when the offense struggles than either of the two OC’s. Of course plays matter but when you have a QB that has a deficiency it’s hard to be a great OC. It’s why the Seahawks route tree is that of a pee wee football team.

But how is it on your OC that Browning saw a stacked boxed and chose a pass over Gaskin getting killed.

So now you want to try and poach specific plays and act as if examples of bad plays of his somehow erases all responsibility for the coaching staff?

Why you are entirely consumed by this is beyond me. Your team still has to replace the stash and UW is moving on to Eason and a new chapter. Hand out in the past all you like.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Washington has failed twice in the last 2 years…lost in the natty playoffs and now lost the rose.


can't wait for Oregon (State) to be relevant again.

 

[wazzu31]

Well fuck, James Williams is off to the NFL so looks like we are going to be fighting it out with Oregon State.

 

[wazzu31]

So now you want to try and poach specific plays and act as if examples of bad plays of his somehow erases all responsibility for the coaching staff?

Why you are entirely consumed by this is beyond me. Your team still has to replace the stash and UW is moving on to Eason and a new chapter. Hand out in the past all you like.

Who’s consumed? I was just asking you Mutt fans about a question brought up on the radio and you are babbling on about coaching so I made a rebuttal. Lighten Francine.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

looks like we are going to be fighting it out with Oregon State.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01...-the-crimson-tides-foothold-on-the-west-coast
By JON WILNER | [email protected] | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: January 7, 2019 at 7:16 am | UPDATED: January 7, 2019 at 1:02 pm

Alabama recruiters see “weaker” Pac-12 creating opportunity to strengthen the Crimson Tide’s foothold on the west coast

The marauders were neatly dressed in gray and crimson, with closely-cropped hair, slight smiles and measured words. Positioned 20 yards from each other during a media event Saturday in San Jose, Alabama defensive coordinator Tosh Lupoi and assistant coach Jeff Banks politely answered dozens of questions about Clemson and the national championship game.

But when the topic turned to the recruiting benefits that come with playing in the Bay Area, the tone shifted subtly. The Crimson Tide’s raiders of the west coast smell blood — Pac-12 blood.

After another disappointing season in which it neither placed a team in the playoff or excelled in major intersectional games, the Pac-12 appears increasingly vulnerable to losing homegrown talent to blue-bloods from other conferences.

“There’s no doubt,” Banks told the Hotline. “Right away, you’ve got to point — and no negative, but it’s just fact — you’ve got to point to the fact that USC has had a lot of mixture in its coaching staff, in the head coaching position, and they’ve kind of been a little up and down since Pete Carroll left.

“That’s probably the No. 1 issue, and UCLA hasn’t been as strong as its been in certain years.

“So those two powers that really ran the Pac-12 … those two are down, and Stanford has the limitations it has academically. Washington’s kind of moved up. It’s all changed. It’s a little weaker, a little more (opportunity) for national people to come in and take guys.”

In that regard, the national championship matchup Monday at Levi’s Stadium couldn’t be much worse for the Pac-12:

It’s nowhere to be found, while the greatest threat to its pipeline is spending four days on the sport’s grandest stage in the conference’s backyard.

No program has pillaged the west more surgically in recent years than the Crimson Tide, and there is seemingly more to come.

“There happens to be, and always will be, some young men that we may be recruiting in this area, in this state,’’ Lupoi said. “So, of course, having (the title game) here, front and center, makes it exciting for them.”

Lupoi, who played for Cal, and Banks, a Washington State alum, are two primary reasons for the talent drain.

Sons of the Pac-12, it appears, have become agents of its destruction.

“No matter where we play, we’re going to be on TV nationally,’’ Banks said. “But all the publicity leading up to the national championship, and being here, in California, I think it does help us.

“There are some great recruiting classes coming up in ’20 and ’21, and a lot of (west coast prospects) we’ve offered early.”

Nine players on the Crimson Tide’s current roster are from Pac-12’s recruiting footprint.

Star quarterback Tua Tagovailoa (Hawaii), All-American offensive tackle Jonah Williams (Folsom) and backup tailback Najee Harris (Antioch) were 5-star recruits and the most celebrated of the transplants.

But Alabama signed four highly-rated west coast players last winter and is expected to land a 2019 gem: Henry To’oto’o, from Concord De La Salle and the No. 2-rated outside linebacker in the country.

Oregon, Washington, USC, Utah and Cal are in pursuit, but the Tide is the heavy favorite to sign To’oto’o next month.

“It’s what happens when you create the kind of dynasty we’ve created — it attracts kids from all over,’’ said Williams, who spent his childhood in Atlanta but attended Folsom High School. The No. 2-rated offensive tackle in his class, he picked Alabama over Washington, Oregon and USC.

The Crimson Tide’s lead recruiter on Harris, Tagovailoa, To’oto’o, and its secondary recruiter on Williams is a Bay Area native and graduate of De La Salle: Lupoi.

One of the most successful recruiters in the nation, Lupoi played for Cal and served on the Cal and Washington staffs. He was investigated for NCAA violations with the Huskies — no penalties were assessed — then wasn’t retained when Chris Petersen took over in Seattle in 2014. He joined Alabama as a defensive analyst and has been promoted multiple times, all while strengthening the Tide’s recruiting footprint in the west.

Banks grew up in Southern California, punted for Washington State and broke into coaching as a graduate assistant under Mike Price. Before joining the Alabama staff last winter, he spent five years at Texas A&M working for Kevin Sumlin and successfully lured receiver Christian Kirk, one of the top prospects in Phoenix history, to College Station.

Combined, Banks and Lupoi have decades of connections to high school coaches across the Pac-12 footprint and an ability to relate to west coast prospects interested in attending school in the SEC.

“We kind of pick our spots on the west coast and try bring in players we feel not only fit with our culture but also be difference makers in program,’’ Banks said.

“It takes a difference mindset to play at Alabama, and sometimes guys on west coast might not know that until get there. So we’ve got to do great job identifying guys who are not only athletically good enough but mentally tough enough to sustain the SEC grind.”

The exodus could get worse for the Pac-12, quickly.

The west coast’s loaded 2020 recruiting class features the No. 2 tailback in the country (Kendall Milton), the No. 1 Pro Style quarterback (DJ Uiagalelei), plus two 5-star linebackers (Sav’ell Smalls and Justin Flowe). All four are considering the Crimson Tide.

Were Alabama the only invasion threat, the Pac-12 pipeline wouldn’t be as vulnerable. But Ohio State, Michigan and Oklahoma have all executed multiple successful raids.

The trend line isn’t promising for the Pac-12.

Two years ago, just six of the top-25 players from the Pac-12 footprint (per 247sports rankings) left for other Power Five schools. That number is expected to rise to nine when the class of 2019 is fully signed and sealed, and early projections show the potential for 2020 plundering to reach double digits.

The Pac-12’s poor performance appears to be depleting its pipeline. And the greater the talent drain, the more difficult it becomes to compete on the field, thereby exacerbating the exodus.

“It’s a cycle,’’ Banks said. “Look at Oklahoma and Ohio State, and what they’ve been able to capitalize on on the west coast.

“And then being in playoff and being successful with players from California — the more that other (players) leave and go to these SEC schools and to the Big 12 schools, it just adds to the feeling that ‘I can do it, too.’’’

 

[socaljim242]

Anyone else happy as fuck to see Tosh Lupoi crash and burn last night? lol

 

[socaljim242]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01...-the-crimson-tides-foothold-on-the-west-coast
By JON WILNER | [email protected] | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: January 7, 2019 at 7:16 am | UPDATED: January 7, 2019 at 1:02 pm

Alabama recruiters see “weaker” Pac-12 creating opportunity to strengthen the Crimson Tide’s foothold on the west coast

The marauders were neatly dressed in gray and crimson, with closely-cropped hair, slight smiles and measured words. Positioned 20 yards from each other during a media event Saturday in San Jose, Alabama defensive coordinator Tosh Lupoi and assistant coach Jeff Banks politely answered dozens of questions about Clemson and the national championship game.

But when the topic turned to the recruiting benefits that come with playing in the Bay Area, the tone shifted subtly. The Crimson Tide’s raiders of the west coast smell blood — Pac-12 blood.

After another disappointing season in which it neither placed a team in the playoff or excelled in major intersectional games, the Pac-12 appears increasingly vulnerable to losing homegrown talent to blue-bloods from other conferences.

“There’s no doubt,” Banks told the Hotline. “Right away, you’ve got to point — and no negative, but it’s just fact — you’ve got to point to the fact that USC has had a lot of mixture in its coaching staff, in the head coaching position, and they’ve kind of been a little up and down since Pete Carroll left.

“That’s probably the No. 1 issue, and UCLA hasn’t been as strong as its been in certain years.

“So those two powers that really ran the Pac-12 … those two are down, and Stanford has the limitations it has academically. Washington’s kind of moved up. It’s all changed. It’s a little weaker, a little more (opportunity) for national people to come in and take guys.”

In that regard, the national championship matchup Monday at Levi’s Stadium couldn’t be much worse for the Pac-12:

It’s nowhere to be found, while the greatest threat to its pipeline is spending four days on the sport’s grandest stage in the conference’s backyard.

No program has pillaged the west more surgically in recent years than the Crimson Tide, and there is seemingly more to come.

“There happens to be, and always will be, some young men that we may be recruiting in this area, in this state,’’ Lupoi said. “So, of course, having (the title game) here, front and center, makes it exciting for them.”

Lupoi, who played for Cal, and Banks, a Washington State alum, are two primary reasons for the talent drain.

Sons of the Pac-12, it appears, have become agents of its destruction.

“No matter where we play, we’re going to be on TV nationally,’’ Banks said. “But all the publicity leading up to the national championship, and being here, in California, I think it does help us.

“There are some great recruiting classes coming up in ’20 and ’21, and a lot of (west coast prospects) we’ve offered early.”

Nine players on the Crimson Tide’s current roster are from Pac-12’s recruiting footprint.

Star quarterback Tua Tagovailoa (Hawaii), All-American offensive tackle Jonah Williams (Folsom) and backup tailback Najee Harris (Antioch) were 5-star recruits and the most celebrated of the transplants.

But Alabama signed four highly-rated west coast players last winter and is expected to land a 2019 gem: Henry To’oto’o, from Concord De La Salle and the No. 2-rated outside linebacker in the country.

Oregon, Washington, USC, Utah and Cal are in pursuit, but the Tide is the heavy favorite to sign To’oto’o next month.

“It’s what happens when you create the kind of dynasty we’ve created — it attracts kids from all over,’’ said Williams, who spent his childhood in Atlanta but attended Folsom High School. The No. 2-rated offensive tackle in his class, he picked Alabama over Washington, Oregon and USC.

The Crimson Tide’s lead recruiter on Harris, Tagovailoa, To’oto’o, and its secondary recruiter on Williams is a Bay Area native and graduate of De La Salle: Lupoi.

One of the most successful recruiters in the nation, Lupoi played for Cal and served on the Cal and Washington staffs. He was investigated for NCAA violations with the Huskies — no penalties were assessed — then wasn’t retained when Chris Petersen took over in Seattle in 2014. He joined Alabama as a defensive analyst and has been promoted multiple times, all while strengthening the Tide’s recruiting footprint in the west.

Banks grew up in Southern California, punted for Washington State and broke into coaching as a graduate assistant under Mike Price. Before joining the Alabama staff last winter, he spent five years at Texas A&M working for Kevin Sumlin and successfully lured receiver Christian Kirk, one of the top prospects in Phoenix history, to College Station.

Combined, Banks and Lupoi have decades of connections to high school coaches across the Pac-12 footprint and an ability to relate to west coast prospects interested in attending school in the SEC.

“We kind of pick our spots on the west coast and try bring in players we feel not only fit with our culture but also be difference makers in program,’’ Banks said.

“It takes a difference mindset to play at Alabama, and sometimes guys on west coast might not know that until get there. So we’ve got to do great job identifying guys who are not only athletically good enough but mentally tough enough to sustain the SEC grind.”

The exodus could get worse for the Pac-12, quickly.

The west coast’s loaded 2020 recruiting class features the No. 2 tailback in the country (Kendall Milton), the No. 1 Pro Style quarterback (DJ Uiagalelei), plus two 5-star linebackers (Sav’ell Smalls and Justin Flowe). All four are considering the Crimson Tide.

Were Alabama the only invasion threat, the Pac-12 pipeline wouldn’t be as vulnerable. But Ohio State, Michigan and Oklahoma have all executed multiple successful raids.

The trend line isn’t promising for the Pac-12.

Two years ago, just six of the top-25 players from the Pac-12 footprint (per 247sports rankings) left for other Power Five schools. That number is expected to rise to nine when the class of 2019 is fully signed and sealed, and early projections show the potential for 2020 plundering to reach double digits.

The Pac-12’s poor performance appears to be depleting its pipeline. And the greater the talent drain, the more difficult it becomes to compete on the field, thereby exacerbating the exodus.

“It’s a cycle,’’ Banks said. “Look at Oklahoma and Ohio State, and what they’ve been able to capitalize on on the west coast.

“And then being in playoff and being successful with players from California — the more that other (players) leave and go to these SEC schools and to the Big 12 schools, it just adds to the feeling that ‘I can do it, too.’’’

Najee Harris left Cali for Alabama as the #1 RB in the country ( and top 3 player) a few years back and hasn't really played. Last night he was still backing up. Next year he will be a junior. PAC coaches have to do a better job of selling their programs and playing time. The announcers said he was getting pretty frustrated with the situation and with losing last night I'm sure it's not any better. Yes he's got one NC as a backup there and no playing time and he's already going to be eligible for the draft after next season. And he was the #1 RB prospect in the country. Shows you the talent stockpile at Bama.

 

[wazzu31]

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What? I’m giving you hope for two conference wins next year

 

[mrwallace2ku]

What? I’m giving you hope for two conference wins next year

 

[wazzu31]

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I can tell by your sign you think the Chainsaws are going to win 1 conference game. At least do a peace sign so you are hoping for two or the stinger.

 

[wazzu31]

Najee Harris left Cali for Alabama as the #1 RB in the country ( and top 3 player) a few years back and hasn't really played. Last night he was still backing up. Next year he will be a junior. PAC coaches have to do a better job of selling their programs and playing time. The announcers said he was getting pretty frustrated with the situation and with losing last night I'm sure it's not any better. Yes he's got one NC as a backup there and no playing time and he's already going to be eligible for the draft after next season. And he was the #1 RB prospect in the country. Shows you the talent stockpile at Bama.

In a way you are right, but mostly it is USC that needs to recruit not the conference. In conference history USC gets the best California talent and the scraps go to other teams. USC was always the pinnacle for recruits and then revenge on not getting a scholarship led them to other programs. If USC can’t get kids in their own back yard there is nothing short of cheating that any other school can do.

 

[socaljim242]

In a way you are right, but mostly it is USC that needs to recruit not the conference. In conference history USC gets the best California talent and the scraps go to other teams. USC was always the pinnacle for recruits and then revenge on not getting a scholarship led them to other programs. If USC can’t get kids in their own back yard there is nothing short of cheating that any other school can do.

2014- #10
2015- #1
2016- #10
2017- #6
2018- #3
2018- #12 so far
If the whole conference is not getting the higher ranked players it's not USCs fault.

 

[WizardHawk]

In a way you are right, but mostly it is USC that needs to recruit not the conference. In conference history USC gets the best California talent and the scraps go to other teams. USC was always the pinnacle for recruits and then revenge on not getting a scholarship led them to other programs. If USC can’t get kids in their own back yard there is nothing short of cheating that any other school can do.

Before 2002 USC had 6 straight seasons where they didn't finish better than 3rd in the conf and only one of those was above .500 (8-5) and had 2 bowl games over that span, both losses. Prior to 2002 you had to go back to '88 to find a 10 win USC team.

So... yeah.

While USC has the most storied program in the conf with the most overall talent, they've had massive spells of average/sub par as well.

I wouldn't say USC 'was always the pinnacle' of anything. During those downturns others in the conference rose up (see what I did there) and made more headway into the Cali talent pool.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

5-star WR Kyle Ford chooses USC over Washington during All-American Bowl

 

[socaljim242]

5-star WR Kyle Ford chooses USC over Washington during All-American Bowl

What we need is an O line. lol. Not that he isn't welcome but WR is pretty stocked.

 

[Olyduck]

Part of the shift was also when they put scholarship limits in place. I think it was in the 70s.

 

[RegentDenali]

 

[socaljim242]

The Ford thing is a surprise. He was coming even when USC didn't have KK so why would he decomit now? Pretty sure he's already enrolled. Nothing would surprise me at this point but this doesn't add up.

 

[WizardHawk]

The Ford thing is a surprise. He was coming even when USC didn't have KK so why would he decomit now? Pretty sure he's already enrolled. Nothing would surprise me at this point but this doesn't add up.

It's on the Twitter. It has to be true.