PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[WizardHawk]

I'm just keeping it real wally. The coaches were a big part of how bad that game was. They should have ran the clock down in the first half and forced OSU to burn timeouts, but that stupidity directly gave them 7 points.

Can't fix the problem until you identify it. Call it by name. Give it light.

 

[wazzu31]

If we all made a top 10 all time list for UW quarterbacks, would Browning be on any list?

I don’t know, I don’t know every QB in Mutt history. Depending on how you guys define it. Does Billy Joe go down ahead of him in terms of greats? Just wondering your guys opinion because every single Husky I know isn’t thinking highly of him...but the Rose Bowl is fresh.

 

[wazzu31]

Yes, browning is on a top 10 list, but not near the top of it.

Rapp was working hard to comeback and play that game. He probably risked more injury trying to get back early than he would have playing but no doubt if he wasn't 100% he and the coaches wouldn't risk doing him harm.

If that's what softy was on about he's an idiot. The story is how underperforming Petersen's offenses have been his whole term here and how it's time to call him out on it.

Well it was a take he was asking fans. He didn’t say he thought it, but also put in the context of it were a player on a different team.

Ya, I don’t know. Your guys offense always seems to unprepared against teams that are as or more talented than you. Case in point the 16 USC game. I’m down on Browning but was just wondering your guys thoughts.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

 

[AlaskaGuy]

 

[wazzu31]

PAC scheduling at it's finest.

The Pac 12 will always have an issue scheduling. The entire conference schedule is based around a team that isn’t even in the conference.

We are all just stuck with it until the Presidents/chancellors fire Larry Scott and every single person involved with the network and start fresh. Get someone in there that has the guts to tell ESPN, Fox and all the techies to fudge off.

 

[WizardHawk]

Well it was a take he was asking fans. He didn’t say he thought it, but also put in the context of it were a player on a different team.

Ya, I don’t know. Your guys offense always seems to unprepared against teams that are as or more talented than you. Case in point the 16 USC game. I’m down on Browning but was just wondering your guys thoughts.

Browning is the low hanging fruit. It's easy to simply blame everything on him, or any QB. Why did they have a huge gap in talent at receiver after Ross and Pettis? Whose fault is that? Why have they struggled to find just an average OC?

Browning wasn't the QB that can carry a team. He made too many dumb decisions. He also made a ton of great plays. His haters only dwell on the bad ones and entirely ignore the great ones. I see him for that bigger picture. There are a couple of QB's UW has had in the last 20 years I'd take over him? They've had a lot of average QB's over that span.

But really, who fucking cares? He's gone and it's entirely time to look toward next year and the rest of that unit outside of who they start at QB.

 

[socaljim242]

I mean they can't make it so no one ever gets a home game after a bye

That they can't help but how about the times they have a team play another on a short week on the road after the other team had a bye the week before.

 

[socaljim242]

Browning is the low hanging fruit. It's easy to simply blame everything on him, or any QB. Why did they have a huge gap in talent at receiver after Ross and Pettis? Whose fault is that? Why have they struggled to find just an average OC?

Browning wasn't the QB that can carry a team. He made too many dumb decisions. He also made a ton of great plays. His haters only dwell on the bad ones and entirely ignore the great ones. I see him for that bigger picture. There are a couple of QB's UW has had in the last 20 years I'd take over him? They've had a lot of average QB's over that span.

But really, who fucking cares? He's gone and it's entirely time to look toward next year and the rest of that unit outside of who they start at QB.

I read something about UW getting some big receivers next season. Are they incoming freshmen or were they red shirted this season?

 

[WizardHawk]

I read something about UW getting some big receivers next season. Are they incoming freshmen or were they red shirted this season?

Red shirt this year. They should be adding some more clutch guys, but need to see them do it in game situations before I get too excited.

The passing game in general should be vastly improved, but it needs to be after losing Gaskin.

 

[trojanfan12]

I think he's just getting experience getting interviewed by NFL teams so he's ready in a year or two. As much of a hot name he's been his last head coaching gig did not go well so I doubt he's getting serious consideration for the top job.

Heard basically the same. That he's on several teams list for possible HC, but that he's not anyone's top choice.

 

[DHoey]

I'm just keeping it real wally. The coaches were a big part of how bad that game was. They should have ran the clock down in the first half and forced OSU to burn timeouts, but that stupidity directly gave them 7 points.

Can't fix the problem until you identify it. Call it by name. Give it light.

No, it didn't directly give OSU 7 points...that's a really dumb thing to say. With 1:30 and timeouts and you want them to sit on the ball, and then punt it away??? We had 3 points, we all new that wasn't gonna win it.

I don't remember who did it, but the dropped pass on 3rd down fucked us hard, not the play call.

 

[socaljim242]

No, it didn't directly give OSU 7 points...that's a really dumb thing to say. With 1:30 and timeouts and you want them to sit on the ball, and then punt it away??? We had 3 points, we all new that wasn't gonna win it.

I don't remember who did it, but the dropped pass on 3rd down fucked us hard, not the play call.

I don't know man. They had momentum and sometimes you gotta take that into account and limit the damage. Just like they were stupid to throw so much when they were ahead giving you guys a lot of momentum.

 

[DHoey]

I don't know man. They had momentum and sometimes you gotta take that into account and limit the damage. Just like they were stupid to throw so much when they were ahead giving you guys a lot of momentum.

I would rather see them be aggressive at that point than not. You play to win the game, not to not lose the game. Look what happened against Oregon.......

 

[socaljim242]

I would rather see them be aggressive at that point than not. You play to win the game, not to not lose the game. Look what happened against Oregon.......

Trying to be aggressive right before the half when the other team has all the momentum backfires most of the time. Seen it too many times.

 

[wazzu31]

Browning is the low hanging fruit. It's easy to simply blame everything on him, or any QB. Why did they have a huge gap in talent at receiver after Ross and Pettis? Whose fault is that? Why have they struggled to find just an average OC?

Browning wasn't the QB that can carry a team. He made too many dumb decisions. He also made a ton of great plays. His haters only dwell on the bad ones and entirely ignore the great ones. I see him for that bigger picture. There are a couple of QB's UW has had in the last 20 years I'd take over him? They've had a lot of average QB's over that span.

But really, who fucking cares? He's gone and it's entirely time to look toward next year and the rest of that unit outside of who they start at QB.

Do you think a better OC would have really made a difference? To me, he just wasn’t quarterback for a playoff contending team.

But you are right and you guys should move on but it doesn’t kind of diminish his whatever legacy that you guys had one of the better runs of defenses in the conference history and Petersen couldn’t recruit 1 guy who was better?

 

[WizardHawk]

Do you think a better OC would have really made a difference? To me, he just wasn’t quarterback for a playoff contending team.

But you are right and you guys should move on but it doesn’t kind of diminish his whatever legacy that you guys had one of the better runs of defenses in the conference history and Petersen couldn’t recruit 1 guy who was better?

Yes, a better OC would have made a huge difference. The adjustments were just bad. You don't think they win any of those close losses with improvements in the first halves? Browning can't carry the team, but a competent caller works around their issues. There were plenty of offenses in the country that were better with a worse QB.

And part of it goes to your second point. They didn't waste their defense. Their defense got the numbers they did because of the style of offense they ran. They had a higher percentage of running plays than every other team in the conference. It was by design and it helps your defense. Pietersen basically wants to be Carroll. It isn't working and they know it.

It won't be the same next year. No chance they have more running plays than passing and Eason coming in is only part of the reason why.

 

[wazzu31]

Yes, a better OC would have made a huge difference. The adjustments were just bad. You don't think they win any of those close losses with improvements in the first halves? Browning can't carry the team, but a competent caller works around their issues. There were plenty of offenses in the country that were better with a worse QB.

And part of it goes to your second point. They didn't waste their defense. Their defense got the numbers they did because of the style of offense they ran. They had a higher percentage of running plays than every other team in the conference. It was by design and it helps your defense. Pietersen basically wants to be Carroll. It isn't working and they know it.

It won't be the same next year. No chance they have more running plays than passing and Eason coming in is only part of the reason why.

But how much can an OC adjust when the QB has a noodle arm? His entire 2016 season was based on Ross being a playmaker and making ridiculous catches. I think your receiving corp was talented enough this year just your QB didn’t have an arm to consistently give your OC confidence enough to make better calls.

I don’t know, I’m not a fan like you but in no way do I not think you guys wouldn’t have beaten Clemson in 2016 or 2017 if you had a better QB. Of course this is assuming you wouldn’t have drawn Alabama being undefeated in 2016.

 

[WizardHawk]

But how much can an OC adjust when the QB has a noodle arm? His entire 2016 season was based on Ross being a playmaker and making ridiculous catches. I think your receiving corp was talented enough this year just your QB didn’t have an arm to consistently give your OC confidence enough to make better calls.

I don’t know, I’m not a fan like you but in no way do I not think you guys wouldn’t have beaten Clemson in 2016 or 2017 if you had a better QB. Of course this is assuming you wouldn’t have drawn Alabama being undefeated in 2016.

You are entirely clueless.

Plays matter. Adjusting to what defenses are doing matters. I can link up post game interviews where Petersen said yeah, we didn't run the ball the way we wanted and that's on me. etc. Offensive coordinators build plays to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. It's what they do. We haven't had one under Petersen that's particularly good at that.

You, and quite a few Husky fans, are completely consumed with your preconceived notions of Browning as though he was the only factor. It's stupid. He wasn't anything close to the worst QB they've had. He did many things well and was a factor in so many of those 10 wins plus the last 3 years. You can't wait until the 3rd quarter to adjust against good teams. That's the glaring issue of this team.

Look, you are a Seahawks fan. How frustrated do you get at their inability to move the ball in the first half and how inept they are at times in the red zone? Want to put it all on Wilson like a dufus? No? Then why do that anywhere else?

 

[wazzu31]

You are entirely clueless.

Plays matter. Adjusting to what defenses are doing matters. I can link up post game interviews where Petersen said yeah, we didn't run the ball the way we wanted and that's on me. etc. Offensive coordinators build plays to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. It's what they do. We haven't had one under Petersen that's particularly good at that.

You, and quite a few Husky fans, are completely consumed with your preconceived notions of Browning as though he was the only factor. It's stupid. He wasn't anything close to the worst QB they've had. He did many things well and was a factor in so many of those 10 wins plus the last 3 years. You can't wait until the 3rd quarter to adjust against good teams. That's the glaring issue of this team.

Look, you are a Seahawks fan. How frustrated do you get at their inability to move the ball in the first half and how inept they are at times in the red zone? Want to put it all on Wilson like a dufus? No? Then why do that anywhere else?

I put a lot more on Russell Wilson for when the offense struggles than either of the two OC’s. Of course plays matter but when you have a QB that has a deficiency it’s hard to be a great OC. It’s why the Seahawks route tree is that of a pee wee football team.

But how is it on your OC that Browning saw a stacked boxed and chose a pass over Gaskin getting killed.