P.J. Fleck >>> Jim Harbaugh

[fredsdeadfriend]

How are we on page 33 and how did a thread started by nebraska fan to troll michigan fans turn into a deranged MN fan arguing with a WV fan

You can't read? Read the title of the thread. P.J.Fleck is the first name/word of the title. Umm? Is that hard for you to understand?

 

[ralphiewvu]

Well, the one is a West Virginnie fan. The other is a University of Minnesota fan. You make your own judgment.

West Virginia boy is trying to argue that every university is racist so no one should point at West Virginia's blatant racism.

Not even close to true and you know it. You were trying to tell the world Minnesota U had to racism. As usual in this thread you were proven wrong.

 

[PnkPanther]

Not quite yet.

Secondary sports are irrelevant, excpet for women's hockey and maybe volleyball - but those ladies are thinking post-grad opportunities, not pro sports and endorsements.

With the advent of B1G in hockey, MN lost some of it's appeal there, as they lost the old rivalries of the WCHA. Look at how fast PSU has become relevant from a non-existent program.

Until he stops the outflow of in state talent, they will continue to lag behind tOSU and Michigan, and even Wisconsin, Iowa and MSU. He needs to do to for the U, what the Badgers were able to do in Wisconsin. You gotta learn to crawl before you can walk; and, you gotta walk before you can run.

That said, Fleck is a midwest guy. The only school west of here that he might consider, would be Stanford... and that's it. Otherwise, SEC or ACC would be his next possible landing spot.

Who knows... maybe people will see what he has (along with his staff) been able to do with some of the skill positions and take notice. Morgan, Bateman, et al... kids notice that stuff... but he needs to get some 4 and 5 stars, not just 3s, and keep Minnesota kids at home.

@PnkPanther might have a different take...

I'm not entirely sure the context.

MN should be a destination school for hockey, but outside of that..we're not in any sport.

Fleck is a midwest guy, I think he likes it here in MN. Fleck's "schtick" most likely isn't going to go over at a Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. As long as MN is willing to be competitive with salary for him and staff, I think he'll stay in MN. But in end, money talks.

As to recruiting: I can't complain. He's in early on players whose rankings blow up. He fully admits, he's not for everyone. last year we lost out on top player to Wisconsin and this year top 2 kids are already committed to Ia and Wi..but I'm not going to sweat it. People in MN are more fixated than any other state over keeping MN Kids home. While he's recruiting primarily 3 star kids and probably always well, those kids often have offers from other P5 schools. Kill and company did good job identifying talent, but he was offering kids that primarily had MAC offers. In today's recruiting climate, I don't see him suddenly being a 4-5 star magnet. MN doesn't produce those kids, and you're not going to get those kids to consistently come north. This current class we're right in line with Iowa/Wisconsin. They're both rated slightly higher, but it's not really significant


As to rest of the nonsense being posted, it's just that.

 

[PnkPanther]

Just like ilhan omar is a racist pos.

But you don’t care about that because she Black. Racist and stupid I see.

I'm not a Ilhan fan, I voted against her in primary. But I don't consider a racist POS. But I'm not going to defend everything she said. I do enjoy how upset she makes the right.....

Although this thread in general has shifted towards PF.....so eh

 

[PnkPanther]

You can't read? Read the title of the thread. P.J.Fleck is the first name/word of the title. Umm? Is that hard for you to understand?

I didn't ask how the thread is about PJ fleck

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You gotta learn to crawl before you can walk; and, you gotta walk before you can run.

That said, Fleck is a midwest guy. The only school west of here that he might consider, would be Stanford... and that's it. Otherwise, SEC or ACC would be his next possible landing spot.

Do you think Dabo learned to crawl before he got clemson running? And then got them to learn how to walk?


He got their recruiting rankings into the 10th-20th best range within a few years, and got them winning 10+ games by his 3rd season, and won a title in his what, 7th season?


Fleck is, arguably, ahead of Dabo right now, on the field. I think UMn will need an almost repeat of 2019 in 2020, and if that happens, I could see him breaking into the Top 25 in recruiting, which might be enough, as I think his coaching is superior to Dabo's, but that is just my opinion, I could easily be wrong about that and Fleck hasn't proven that out yet.


Now, I agree Stanford would be a possibility, except that Stanford has always had a high quality culture, so not sure Fleck's going in there wanting to change their culture would sit right with them.

Most ACC schools are similar to Stanford in that regard, just to a lesser degree. Not sure his ideas would sit were at any of those schools? Maybe NCSU, but they are hardly a destination school.

As for the SEC? I could see a couple schools down there wanting him. But as much as people talk about weather, alot of northerners/midwesterners, wouldn't like the weather in SEC states, in August/September.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

I'm not entirely sure the context.

MN should be a destination school for hockey, but outside of that..we're not in any sport.

Fleck is a midwest guy, I think he likes it here in MN. Fleck's "schtick" most likely isn't going to go over at a Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. As long as MN is willing to be competitive with salary for him and staff, I think he'll stay in MN. But in end, money talks.

As to recruiting: I can't complain. He's in early on players whose rankings blow up. He fully admits, he's not for everyone. last year we lost out on top player to Wisconsin and this year top 2 kids are already committed to Ia and Wi..but I'm not going to sweat it. People in MN are more fixated than any other state over keeping MN Kids home. While he's recruiting primarily 3 star kids and probably always well, those kids often have offers from other P5 schools. Kill and company did good job identifying talent, but he was offering kids that primarily had MAC offers. In today's recruiting climate, I don't see him suddenly being a 4-5 star magnet. MN doesn't produce those kids, and you're not going to get those kids to consistently come north. This current class we're right in line with Iowa/Wisconsin. They're both rated slightly higher, but it's not really significant


As to rest of the nonsense being posted, it's just that.

More or less... The money will always be there. If he desires to chase a National Championship, that will be his motivation for leaving.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I'm not a Ilhan fan, I voted against her in primary. But I don't consider a racist POS. But I'm not going to defend everything she said. I do enjoy how upset she makes the right.....

Although this thread in general has shifted towards PF.....so eh

While I agree with some of your sentiment, if a white person said loyalties of a religion will always side against the US, especially if that were persons of a different race they would get crucified.

You nailed the last point.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

This is the problem though. You are digging up racism to win an argument for your school being a destination school. An argument you already lost.

No, I brought that up to expose in part, YOUR ignorance. Too many jackasses like you have the impression that Minnesota is this little loser school located in Siberia. Which is funny being you are a West Virginnie fan, lol. I mean, I have to laugh. WVU has had a little more success recently than Minnesota, in just the 2 sports, so you think that makes you all big and bad? lol The only way a WSU kind of school will EVER become relevant, is if they get uber lucky on the coaching thing. But WSU so far in history, has been a stepping stone school, for the most part. I don't pay attention to WSU sports, so you are welcome to provide the evidence that could prove otherwise.

I'll admit this is in part UMn's own fault, but ignorance is not an excuse, you need to be taught to respect those who gave you all of the good things you enjoy in your life. For your own good.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

More or less... The money will always be there. If he desires to chase a National Championship, that will be his motivation for leaving.

You must not have heard — @fredsdeadfriend already said Minnesota will win a national title in the next 3-4 years.

I don’t know about you, but as a UM fan, I felt like I was watching a completely different caliber of football last night. I guess Minnesota is in a different boat.

 

[PnkPanther]

While I agree with some of your sentiment, if a white person said loyalties of a religion will always side against the US, especially if that were persons of a different race they would get crucified.

You nailed the last point.

I'm not interested in a political debate, I've been avoiding the PF for that specific reason. I believe you're referring to her comments on Israel and dual loyalty. There are certainly conservatives, including our VP, who says they're Christian first. And supporters of Israel are just as likely to be a conservative christian as they are Jewish (Palin, Huckabee, come to mind)

But how we're on this road on a topic of college football is a mystery.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

You must not have heard — @fredsdeadfriend already said Minnesota will win a national title in the next 3-4 years.

I don’t know about you, but as a UM fan, I felt like I was watching a completely different caliber of football last night. I guess Minnesota is in a different boat.

Outside of tOSU, it's going to be awfully difficult for any team in the B1G to win a natty from here on out. It's just the reality.

Nothing wrong with competing for and occassionally winning the B1G 'ship, though.

 

[PnkPanther]

You must not have heard — @fredsdeadfriend already said Minnesota will win a national title in the next 3-4 years.

I don’t know about you, but as a UM fan, I felt like I was watching a completely different caliber of football last night. I guess Minnesota is in a different boat.

I'm just hoping for a B1GW title

 

[PnkPanther]

And as to Robert Byrd, yes, he was briefly in the KKK in the 1940's. He left the klan, renounced their views, and was eventually an advocate of civil rights. So not sure why we're ripping WV for voting for Byrd. I get his early years and views are less than flattering.

So, there, I'll defend the WV politician a bit too. And with that, I'm out of political part of this shit show

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

I'm not entirely sure the context.

MN should be a destination school for hockey, but outside of that..we're not in any sport.

Oh really? lol

John Anderson has been at UMn for how long now? 1300+ wins indicates to me he's been there a VERY long time.

Volleyball? lol Seriously? You think our Olympic Medal winning coach with the #1, #3 & #16 rated recruits coming into the program that just got to it's 6th Final Four doesn't consider UMn his final destination??? lol

I have met losers like you at the Gopherhole before. IF UMn is not a destination school in football, it's fans like you who are part of the problem.

Wrestling? You think our last coach who was there for decades, wanted to go elsewhere but never got offered, is that it? Where could he have gone that was a better wrestling school? You think our current coach is hoping for a better school to offer him? lol


Basketball? Maybe you are too young to remember what it was like at UMn in the 70s. UMn ranked #1 in attendance for more than one year of that decade. Several years I have heard. Not sure Pitino will last, but UMn is a sleeping giant when it comes to cbb. The argument here is that we lack instate recruits in football, that is NOT true in bb. UMn is a stellar job in cbb now that we are 2 decades past the Clem shit.

Women's Hockey? Please, shut up. Every women's hockey coach would give a limb for the UMn job.

Men's Hockey? PSU and OSU's success since going to the B1G in hockey, proves programs CAN succeed in the B1G. UMn's problem is pathetic spoiled idiotic fans who ran off one of the best coaches in the game, not able to understand the REAL reason they weren't winning as much as they did in the past, had little to do with the coaches lack of coaching ability and ten times more to do with the NHL robbing the program of all of it's best players while leaving all of the little schools be, allowing them to take turns having banner years at ALL of the blue bloods expense, along with ticket prices being too high.

Men's Golf? Well, being a northern school, it will never be a destination job for an outsider, but former Gophers or native Midwesterners? They all seem to consider the job a destination job.

Women's BB? For the right coach, it could easily be a destination job as Minnesota produces a wealth of women's bb talent and has for decades. The only reason it might not be, is women's bb will never be the biggest game in town like it was at Tennessee and UConn and might be elsewhere. But honestly, do any of us care if the women's bb program may never be the #1 game in town?



That is all of the sports where players can and do go out and play professionally. I didn't mention football, because that's already been addressed.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You must not have heard — @fredsdeadfriend already said Minnesota will win a national title in the next 3-4 years.

I don’t know about you, but as a UM fan, I felt like I was watching a completely different caliber of football last night. I guess Minnesota is in a different boat.

I didn't say "they would", I said "they could". Big difference.

 

[PnkPanther]

Oh really? lol

John Anderson has been at UMn for how long now? 1300+ wins indicates to me he's been there a VERY long time.

Volleyball? lol Seriously? You think our Olympic Medal winning coach with the #1, #3 & #16 rated recruits coming into the program that just got to it's 6th Final Four doesn't consider UMn his final destination??? lol

I have met losers like you at the Gopherhole before. IF UMn is not a destination school in football, it's fans like you who are part of the problem.

Wrestling? You think our last coach who was there for decades, wanted to go elsewhere but never got offered, is that it? Where could he have gone that was a better wrestling school? You think our current coach is hoping for a better school to offer him? lol


Basketball? Maybe you are too young to remember what it was like at UMn in the 70s. UMn ranked #1 in attendance for more than one year of that decade. Several years I have heard. Not sure Pitino will last, but UMn is a sleeping giant when it comes to cbb. The argument here is that we lack instate recruits in football, that is NOT true in bb. UMn is a stellar job in cbb now that we are 2 decades past the Clem shit.

Women's Hockey? Please, shut up. Every women's hockey coach would give a limb for the UMn job.

Men's Hockey? PSU and OSU's success since going to the B1G in hockey, proves programs CAN succeed in the B1G. UMn's problem is pathetic spoiled idiotic fans who ran off one of the best coaches in the game, not able to understand the REAL reason they weren't winning as much as they did in the past, had little to do with the coaches lack of coaching ability and ten times more to do with the NHL robbing the program of all of it's best players while leaving all of the little schools be, allowing them to take turns having banner years at ALL of the blue bloods expense, along with ticket prices being too high.

Men's Golf? Well, being a northern school, it will never be a destination job for an outsider, but former Gophers or native Midwesterners? They all seem to consider the job a destination job.

Women's BB? For the right coach, it could easily be a destination job as Minnesota produces a wealth of women's bb talent and has for decades. The only reason it might not be, is women's bb will never be the biggest game in town like it was at Tennessee and UConn and might be elsewhere. But honestly, do any of us care if the women's bb program may never be the #1 game in town?



That is all of the sports where players can and do go out and play professionally. I didn't mention football, because that's already been addressed.

John Anderson is from MN, went to U of M, and is an Alum. Getting him to stay in MN in Mn's baseball isn't exactly heist.

Gopher non revenue sports do quite well. Sadly, no one really cares about those.

Women's BB-Whalen, from MN, UMN alumn, she's MN through and through. But we're not a premier team. Whalen could us get there

Mens BB-70's? That is what you're clinging too?

I'm probably one of the larger gopher fans on this board

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

Oh really? lol

John Anderson has been at UMn for how long now? 1300+ wins indicates to me he's been there a VERY long time.

Volleyball? lol Seriously? You think our Olympic Medal winning coach with the #1, #3 & #16 rated recruits coming into the program that just got to it's 6th Final Four doesn't consider UMn his final destination??? lol

I have met losers like you at the Gopherhole before. IF UMn is not a destination school in football, it's fans like you who are part of the problem.

Wrestling? You think our last coach who was there for decades, wanted to go elsewhere but never got offered, is that it? Where could he have gone that was a better wrestling school? You think our current coach is hoping for a better school to offer him? lol


Basketball? Maybe you are too young to remember what it was like at UMn in the 70s. UMn ranked #1 in attendance for more than one year of that decade. Several years I have heard. Not sure Pitino will last, but UMn is a sleeping giant when it comes to cbb. The argument here is that we lack instate recruits in football, that is NOT true in bb. UMn is a stellar job in cbb now that we are 2 decades past the Clem shit.

Women's Hockey? Please, shut up. Every women's hockey coach would give a limb for the UMn job.

Men's Hockey? PSU and OSU's success since going to the B1G in hockey, proves programs CAN succeed in the B1G. UMn's problem is pathetic spoiled idiotic fans who ran off one of the best coaches in the game, not able to understand the REAL reason they weren't winning as much as they did in the past, had little to do with the coaches lack of coaching ability and ten times more to do with the NHL robbing the program of all of it's best players while leaving all of the little schools be, allowing them to take turns having banner years at ALL of the blue bloods expense, along with ticket prices being too high.

Men's Golf? Well, being a northern school, it will never be a destination job for an outsider, but former Gophers or native Midwesterners? They all seem to consider the job a destination job.

Women's BB? For the right coach, it could easily be a destination job as Minnesota produces a wealth of women's bb talent and has for decades. The only reason it might not be, is women's bb will never be the biggest game in town like it was at Tennessee and UConn and might be elsewhere. But honestly, do any of us care if the women's bb program may never be the #1 game in town?



That is all of the sports where players can and do go out and play professionally. I didn't mention football, because that's already been addressed.

you need to calm down, Chachi... there's a reason no one takes you seriously.

I'm probably one of the larger gopher fans on this board

I go about 165, so you're probably right...

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

And as to Robert Byrd, yes, he was briefly in the KKK in the 1940's. He left the klan, renounced their views, and was eventually an advocate of civil rights. So not sure why we're ripping WV for voting for Byrd. I get his early years and views are less than flattering.

So, there, I'll defend the WV politician a bit too. And with that, I'm out of political part of this shit show

My only request then is this, if people can be racist one decade, like Senator Byrd was, and then can change, and then not be held accountable for their past racist beliefs or actions, then shouldn't that forgiving attitude be shown towards EVERYONE???

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Senator Byrd changed his tune and so doesn't deserve to be held accountable, and then turn around and rip on some UMn professors from way back in the day for doing something that may have been racist, that they may have changed their tune about as well.

You either criticize racism in all cases and examples of it, and stay consistent, or you forgive all past offenses and judge people only on their most recent statements, policies and actions. This would apply to Trump and ALL politicians on both sides of the aisle.


You can not rip on the UMn for naming buildings after people who at one time in their life did something questionable and/or controversial, possibly racist, without knowing more than there was some controversy about it, and then turn around and claim that a former KKK member and someone who fought HARD AGAINST Civil Rights, has since changed and can be lauded as the BEST person your state has ever produced. Waiting until the 90s to remove segregation legislation from your State Constitution is repulsive, it's amazing to me that anyone would ever admit to being from West Virginia, tbh. 16 counties, at the time it was removed, voted to keep it in the State Constitution, and 42% of the voters voted to keep it in the state constitution as well. That shows direct evidence that as recently as the 90s, WV was a state full of racist pieces of shit.

 

[7Samurai13]

My only request then is this, if people can be racist one decade, like Senator Byrd was, and then can change, and then not be held accountable for their past racist beliefs or actions, then shouldn't that forgiving attitude be shown towards EVERYONE???

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Senator Byrd changed his tune and so doesn't deserve to be held accountable, and then turn around and rip on some UMn professors from way back in the day for doing something that may have been racist, that they may have changed their tune about as well.

You either criticize racism in all cases and examples of it, and stay consistent, or you forgive all past offenses and judge people only on their most recent statements, policies and actions. This would apply to Trump and ALL politicians on both sides of the aisle.


You can not rip on the UMn for naming buildings after people who at one time in their life did something questionable and/or controversial, possibly racist, without knowing more than there was some controversy about it, and then turn around and claim that a former KKK member and someone who fought HARD AGAINST Civil Rights, has since changed and can be lauded as the BEST person your state has ever produced. Waiting until the 90s to remove segregation legislation from your State Constitution is repulsive, it's amazing to me that anyone would ever admit to being from West Virginia, tbh. 16 counties, at the time it was removed, voted to keep it in the State Constitution, and 42% of the voters voted to keep it in the state constitution as well. That shows direct evidence that as recently as the 90s, WV was a state full of racist pieces of shit.

Doesn’t Minnesota currently have an open and unapologetic anti-semite as a representative?