over/under

[devs30rko]

maclean has can only lose 3 more games in the next 5 to keep his job?

i'm under.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Under I hope but I would prefer a winning streak and unclean keeping his job

 

[MCDevils]

it's kind of tough to fire a coach when our supposed best defensemen has been gone all season, and we're missing one of our hotshot rookies. Remember, this team was supposed to have 1 spot for a rookie defensemen. He's been using three all season, and that doesn't even count the injuries to Fraser, and Corrente.

 

[skrillex26]

Nah again i gotta say i'll be pretty surprised if he's even fired.

 

[devils30mb]

I'm over, it will be later on in the season or at the end of the season if Mac is going to get fired. I just don't think Mac will be fired right now even though we're in a big slump. He has been trying to work with what he has since the injury list keeps growing. Our D core is racking up a lot of IR time.
Yes you may say Mac has struggled with Kovy and finding proper linemates, but I think that just carried over from the tail end of last season/playoffs and feel that something just isn't clicking...not sure what it is.
Also now with one of your best players out, I just can't see him getting the boot for loosing 3 of the next five.

 

[nj_cup]

no i agree with dko he should be fired! just watching them..they arent losing because a lack of skill..they arent losing because of a-train not in the lineup..they are losing because they arent trying they dont care they have no heart out there...and its only what 11 games into the season? wow! its just going to get worse here on out. he has to go!

 

[skrillex26]

Dunno who you're replying to there cup but i never said he shouldn't go. I agree with rko and think he probably should go. I said i don't think he will. He should, but just because something should happen doesn't mean it will.

And obviously they aren't losing because of him alone not being there but his shot blocking and hitting is welcome in any situation, whether their out there playing this badly or playing well.

Anyhow, Vancouver are probably glad to be playing NJ tonight, seems like there's no end in sight to this shitshow.

 

[Indian Chief]

If you are a millionaire athlete and you need a coach to give you "heart" you are a failure. That is one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard. If you can't muster up enough effort or heart, then you should retire.

 

[skrillex26]

If you are a millionaire athlete and you need a coach to give you "heart" you are a failure. That is one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard. If you can't muster up enough effort or heart, then you should retire.

Well said.

 

[DevFan60]

I think they played LA game with heart, but there is no system in their game now. They don't look well organized on the offense even with a lot of effort and this is where coach's job must be an input.

 

[nj_cup]

If you are a millionaire athlete and you need a coach to give you "heart" you are a failure. That is one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard. If you can't muster up enough effort or heart, then you should retire.

couldnt agree more but too bad you cant fire players...and you cant trade them if they have NTC's its just the way the cookie crumbles

 

[Indian Chief]

couldnt agree more but too bad you cant fire players...and you cant trade them if they have NTC's its just the way the cookie crumbles

Well then you are firing Maclean just for effect, and you have to hope and pray that a new coach makes a difference. You fire a coach because you believe a) he is the problem or b) a new coach will get something different out of the current players. If you don't believe either of those things, then you don't fire him. You are absolutely right that you can't fire the players, but I don't believe in making a move for the sake of doing something/anything. You do it because you believe in that move.

 

[MCDevils]

Firing coaches hasn't worked for us in a long time. The question is whether or not it's the players, and if it is does Jmac have enough credit banked for Lou to stand by him..

 

[DevFan60]

All last new coaches took us to playoffs. Why not to try it now. We can not get worse already.

 

[MCDevils]

Does anyone honestly feel like this is MacLeans fault? I guess you could fault him for forcing Ilya to move, which Ilya obviously didn't want to do. The Devils are generating WAY MORE shots than last year, yet have scored the fewest goals in the league. That makes almost no sense. I haven't looked at the game film for how MacLean likes his offensive cycles vs Lemaire, so maybe Lemaire had more traffic than MacLean's system, but at some point these shots need to be going in.

Note: I didn't ask if we should fire him in a desperate effort to turn around the season. I asked if you honestly think this is MacLean's fault.

 

[nj_cup]

the shot stat i dont believe in for a second. i watched the kings game and yeah they had 40 shots on goal but i'd say about 30 of those had zero shot of going in (meaning) they were just that shots on goal..not real scoring chances.

the roster hasnt changed much from the past few years to this year...granted the players have been horrible come playoff time and are "coach" killers. but how else can you explian this horrible start? you can only blame mac...unless you can drop some serious dead wood....elias/langs/rolston/white/zubrus because those are the players i think that are hurting this team with their cap hits...either get rid of them if you can (i know you cant) thus giving mac a chance at a fresh start with some hungry players...or get rid of mac and try to ride out the contracts

 

[MCDevils]

the shot stat i dont believe in for a second. i watched the kings game and yeah they had 40 shots on goal but i'd say about 30 of those had zero shot of going in (meaning) they were just that shots on goal..not real scoring chances.

the roster hasnt changed much from the past few years to this year...granted the players have been horrible come playoff time and are "coach" killers. but how else can you explian this horrible start? you can only blame mac...unless you can drop some serious dead wood....elias/langs/rolston/white/zubrus because those are the players i think that are hurting this team with their cap hits...either get rid of them if you can (i know you cant) thus giving mac a chance at a fresh start with some hungry players...or get rid of mac and try to ride out the contracts

I definitely agree with you about the quality of scoring chances. That needs to improve. The real question is do you think another coach could turn this around? If not, then there's no reason to fire mac, because some of our best/most surprising performers this year, were players he had last year. Specifically, Taormina, and the other rookie defensemen, who I don't believe are the problem right now.

If this team's tanking, then you don't fire him because he can help with the rebuild. Also, I believe it's the captains responsibility to motivate the players through words or actions.

I also don't buy the lack of motivation considering Parise has been playing hurt all season.

He certainly hasn't been able to motivate Kovy though.

 

[DevFan60]

If we (Devils) will not be able to win more than one game in a row within let's say 7-8 games, it will be obvious that JMac's system is not working and there are have to be some consequences. We just have to admit that he was not ready for this job yet. We know that in this league any team from the bottom capable to defeat top team and motivation is the factor too. Does this team has motivation now - does not look like. Not only JMac, but also Lou should be involved in fixing this right now. How? He should now - he is professional. But we are as fans deserve at least some responses and explanation from them about what is going on with team.

 

[devils30mb]

I think there are several pieces wrong that don't fall on J Mac:

1. Lack of leadership right now. This team needs someone to lead and no one is doing so. You have guys with C and A on their jerseys but are not acting like it.
2. We need better puck movement from our D out of our end to transition up to our forwards.
3. Lack of heart from alot of our vets.

I would say if we haven't turned this around come December, look to trade some vets and give our youngsters a chance because 1. we can't do any worse and 2. this would give our youngsters some experience.

 

[skrillex26]

Hmm yeah all good points and some i agree with. A lot of the vets and players in general though have come across like they're completely confused and out of the loop this season though. Like they have no clue what Jmac is doing or what's happening.

He doesn't sound like he has the respect from them and that they're going to really go out there and give everything for him. We all said the concern was that when he was speculated for the job.

I fully agree the A's and the C have done next to nothing this year and that is very worrying but it's tough, whether they all are the problem or whether it's Maclean alone. I think leaving it till December personally is a bit too far, it's clear something is wrong and if Lou just lets things keep going not firing Maclean and not changing anything else the problem isn't being solved and the season's down the drain.

Irony that Maclean coming in was supposed to boost our offense massively and take the Devils away from their defensive style and we're the lowest(scoring) in the league.