OT: was christianity the invention of a Troll?

[Darkstone42]

I've never said there's no god; tough to say who created the universe, who created god, and who created nothingness.

But are we really to believe that if there is a creator - who's supposedly of some kind of human image - he'd actually expect anyone to believe any of the obvious, illogical nonsense posited in the bible? Believing that the earth is 6,000 years old and the Noah's Ark story is just wolley-minded thinking at best.

My gut feeling is that apart from a lot of the bible being simply the product of some peoples imagination -- conjured up out of thin air, some of it is done from a true trolling perspective. I think someone had a good laugh at everyone's expense, 2,000 years ago.

We'll never know, I suppose.

The Bible largely follows the mold of religious texts of its time (and "its time" is a really broad statement, mind you). Take the inexplicable and explain it in terms that people can understand.

I was taught (in Catholic school, mind you) that a great deal of the Bible is to read as an analogy or a fable, not as historical fact. But every story is rooted in fact. Noah's ark? There was a massive flood in Mesopotamia, which was, at the time, and to those who lived there, the entire world. The flood was devastating, wiping out human, plant, and animal life. And then most of the Hebrews conquer someone, someone conquers the Hebrews stuff is based in actual events.

But when there was doubt about how or why these things happened, they put it into terms they could understand.

We're still trying to solve the problem of how the world was created. We just have more precise methods now.

Most Christians by dogma don't believe the world is only 6000 years old, or that we're all descended from Adam and Eve though some massive ince$t party. It's just he fundamentalists, who happen to be the most outspoken, who believe that.

There's plenty of room for both science and Christianity in a person. I know there is in me.

 

[blindbaby]

The Bible largely follows the mold of religious texts of its time (and "its time" is a really broad statement, mind you). Take the inexplicable and explain it in terms that people can understand.

I was taught (in Catholic school, mind you) that a great deal of the Bible is to read as an analogy or a fable, not as historical fact. But every story is rooted in fact. Noah's ark? There was a massive flood in Mesopotamia, which was, at the time, and to those who lived there, the entire world. The flood was devastating, wiping out human, plant, and animal life. And then most of the Hebrews conquer someone, someone conquers the Hebrews stuff is based in actual events.

But when there was doubt about how or why these things happened, they put it into terms they could understand.

We're still trying to solve the problem of how the world was created. We just have more precise methods now.

Most Christians by dogma don't believe the world is only 6000 years old, or that we're all descended from Adam and Eve though some massive ince$t party. It's just he fundamentalists, who happen to be the most outspoken, who believe that.

There's plenty of room for both science and Christianity in a person. I know there is in me.

Good post.

I used to work with a bunch of fundies. You don't want to work with a bunch of fundies. The only joy I got was pitting the lone JoHo against the fundies.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

READ MY THREAD IN THE POLITICS FORUM DAMMIT!!!!!

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/politics-forum/77595-scientific-progress-goes-wtf.html

 

[pixburgher66]

As I continue to learn my faith only goes stronger. How people can study the human body and not believe in a Creator is beyond me. THAT takes more blind faith. And as far as following rules? I believe that the closer you grow to God the more you WANT to do that. It becomes a desire to strive for purity/holiness/other fun words. Does that mean we don't screw up? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, no. But it means that when we do screw up we feel it. I believe the Holy Spirit is basically our conscience. And now I'm rambling. I know nothing for sure, but I have felt God, and nothing can change how I feel about Him. Never will. Satan lost, so nanny nanny poopoo.

 

[blindbaby]

READ MY THREAD IN THE POLITICS FORUM DAMMIT!!!!!

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/politics-forum/77595-scientific-progress-goes-wtf.html

I've read the thread; I generally don't comment in the politics forum as it generally seems to be a flame fest between libs and cons.

I did, however, make an exception this time.

 

[abaskin18]

I feel like the founders of organized religions set out with far more deliberate motives than any troll and the results are also infinitely more impactful than anything a troll could hope to achieve.

It's up to you if you want to replace the word "deliberate" with "sinister" and/or "impactful" with "devastating"

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I think the basics of every religion teach a valuable lesson, hence why they are generally all the same for the major religions (do unto others etc.). Regardless if you believe in an all powerful being or not, religion can be a great tool for shaping you into a good person. Believe or don't believe, but don't get in people's faces and preach either way.

 

[juliansteed]

If religion is trolling (I'm not saying that it is) then Christianity certainly wasn't the 1st.

 

[Vadered]

I think the basics of every religion teach a valuable lesson, hence why they are generally all the same for the major religions (do unto others etc.). Regardless if you believe in an all powerful being or not, religion can be a great tool for shaping you into a good person. Believe or don't believe, but don't get in people's faces and preach either way.

Much as it pains me to agree with a fan of the DEVILS when it comes to religion, there you have it.

 

[dash]

I was raised in the Catholic faith and I still consider myself a Catholic to this day, but there are several aspects of the Catholic faith that I have issues with. Does this make me a bad Catholic?!? I don't know. Maybe I need to get out the 'Jesus radar' like this guy?

 

[forty_three]

There's plenty of room for both science and Christianity in a person. I know there is in me.

Until one side has all the answers to everything...


What I can't stand is people who insist that "their" faith be projected onto me. My faith is about me, because when I get to the end of life, whatever that holds, it will be me alone to answer for whatever I have to answer for. And if what I have done on this earth is not enough, and I needed to "evangelize" more to get in, then so be it. Because I do not want to spend eternity with those people. That would not be "heaven" to me.

 

[blindbaby]

If religion is trolling (I'm not saying that it is) then Christianity certainly wasn't the 1st.

I'd have to agree, based on everything I've read. Christianity certainly appears to borrow its' stories from other religions and other myths of the time. Of course the fundies out pitch -- the equivalent of a 120 mph fastball that's 8 feet outside the plate but always called a strike by the ump, is to just dismiss it all and say that satan messed around with those writings and is deceiving everyone.

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

I was raised in the Catholic faith and I still consider myself a Catholic to this day, but there are several aspects of the Catholic faith that I have issues with. Does this make me a bad Catholic?!? I don't know. Maybe I need to get out the 'Jesus radar' like this guy?

Looks like Flyer orange to me.

:ss:

 

[Comeds]

What would the Biblical equivalent of the Rick Roll be?

 

[blindbaby]

What would the Biblical equivalent of the Rick Roll be?

Right off the bat, it's a Rick Roll...

Genesis:

The serpent telling Eve that's it's ok to eat the apple, only to propagate eternal damnation when god finds out.

....best Rick Roll evar!

 

[abaskin18]

What would the Biblical equivalent of the Rick Roll be?

I'll have to go with this:

http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season4/heretic10.mp3

 

[Eddie_Shack]

I think most religions at their core, even the dreaded Islam, can be great. They preach peace, love, understanding, humility, the importance of doing good not only for yourself but for humanity. If anyone's trolling it's the fools that convinced millions that if you believe in a religion, then it's OK to hate those who do not follow your religion.

Religion has been responsible for some of the bloodiest wars, the most violent attacks, some of the most hateful speech this planet has ever seen, yet if you sit down and read the Bible or the Koran, or any other religious teachings they are mostly positive messages of peace and love.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

I think most religions at their core, even the dreaded Islam, can be great. They preach peace, love, understanding, humility, the importance of doing good not only for yourself but for humanity. If anyone's trolling it's the fools that convinced millions that if you believe in a religion, then it's OK to hate those who do not follow your religion.

Religion has been responsible for some of the bloodiest wars, the most violent attacks, some of the most hateful speech this planet has ever seen, yet if you sit down and read the Bible or the Koran, or any other religious teachings they are mostly positive messages of peace and love.

Have you read both the Bible and the Koran? Just curious. I've read neither.

 

[Bizzle McDizzle]