OT: Pure Steelers Hatred Blog

[Darkstone42]

Additionally, just looking at TD/INT ratio and TD/year, only Manning is head-and-shoulders above Ben. Brady is significantly better. Rivers, Brees, and Rodgers are all fairly comparable.

 

[johnnytata]

that blog post was pure gold. laughed my ass off the whole way through.

but for some reason, i couldn't shake the feeling that the guy is actually a steelers fan posing with some faux hatred, just having some fun, sarcastically poking fun at all the people who use those exact reasons to rip the steelers. you know, you take all the things that people rip on you about and exaggerate them to the point of caricature, so that the orignial rip just looks silly.

 

[Slimpikins]

Manning is a better quarterback than Ben. And Brees is too, I somehow forgot. So that makes Ben a top 10 instead of 5. But all of those guys have good lines, and Manning does not play well when other teams get pressure on him. He's great when he's got 4 seconds, which Ben isn't. But Ben can play behind the Steelers' offensive line, and I sincerely believe Manning could not. Rivers might be able to, he's got some athleticism. Same with Rodgers.

EDIT: And I actually said the words Manning is better than Ben in my original post, for what it's worth. I forgot Brees momentarily, but other than that, I would take Ben over every quarterback except those five.

First most of Manning's passes get out in two seconds or less, that's why he doesn't get sacked very often. He doesn't need time, he lets go of the ball quicker than any other qb in the league.

Secondly you have to look at the role that each qb plays on his team. Big Ben only throws 25 passes a game. The rest of the guys you mention literally carry the offense for their respective teams. Look at the number of pass attempts for each of these guys. Rothlisberger is 23rd in pass attempts. Shaun Hill passes more often than he does. Shit, Josh Freeman almost has 100 more pass attempts than Rothlisberger does.

He doesn't have nearly the amount of pressure or responsibility on him that the rest of those guys have.

And you must be high if you think that Manning couldn't play for Pittsburgh. Give Manning an elite defense and a solid running game and you don't think he can play? That's like me saying that Crosby can't produce if he were on the Predators. Top end talent produces.

 

[IPostedWhat]

Ben Roethlisberger’s a zero, not a hero - BostonHerald.com

 

[awaz]

Ben Roethlisberger’s a zero, not a hero - BostonHerald.com

<3

 

[IPostedWhat]

He really laid into him right here:

Roethlisberger is a good quarterback, maybe even very good, but he isn’t Brady or Manning or even Rodgers. He is a one-time Pro Bowler. He has two Super Bowl rings, but no MVPs. In his Super Bowls, he has one touchdown pass, three picks and a 64.1 rating. In the Steelers’ win over the Seattle Seahawks in 2006, Roethlisberger literally had the worst game a winning QB has ever had in a Super Bowl (22.6 rating).

 

[Slimpikins]

Ben Roethlisberger&rsquo;s a zero, not a hero - BostonHerald.com

Wow, if you ignore the irrelevant character bashing and just look at some of the stats in that article it is the same point I am making. He is a good quarterback but it is the Steelers defense and running game that make this team great. Look at the stats in his two superbowl wins.

 

[SJ20]

Put Manning or Brady behind the awful O line of the Steelers and see how long they last. Big Ben just win games and the haters just hate. Anyone who thinks Ben is the most overrated QB in the NFL should never comment on the NFL ever again. And what's with the making fun of people with disabilities on here btw? Oh that's right, you can type this nonsense until it happens to you or one of your loved ones. What a disgrace.

 

[naslundfan19]

lol, not his avy, his profile pic. It was a joke, its Cindy Crosby.

Me no read good

 

[pixburgher66]

You can talk about Ben's passer ratings in the Super Bowl all you want...but the great players make the plays when it COUNTS. If you need a reminder, please go watch the game winning drive in Super Bowl 43. Manning hasn't played that clutch in the postseason in years (and never in the Super Bowl). Don't misunderstand me, Manning and Brady are both much better QBs, but they're different styles. It's hard to compare Ben in the elite of the NFL because he plays a much different game than them. People are loving the stats a little too much...and I can't take a freaking Boston newspaper's opinion on anything Pittsburgh seriously. The guy is clearly still bitter. There are 2 QB's in this league I'd take before Ben, the golden duo, but there's been no one else who's shown they are better at winning games, no matter how it looks.

 

[TOX1]

LOL! Fucking blah///blah//blah.

The amount of rings a player has earned is the only statistic I need.

 

[awaz]

LOL! Fucking blah///blah//blah.

The amount of rings a TEAM has earned is the only statistic I need.

fixed.

 

[Slimpikins]

Put Manning or Brady behind the awful O line of the Steelers and see how long they last. Big Ben just win games and the haters just hate. Anyone who thinks Ben is the most overrated QB in the NFL should never comment on the NFL ever again. And what's with the making fun of people with disabilities on here btw? Oh that's right, you can type this nonsense until it happens to you or one of your loved ones. What a disgrace.

I worked with developementally disabled people for five years and I have experienced it in my own family so you can get off of your high horse. It's a joke and the disabled do still have a sense of humor.

 

[Slimpikins]

You can talk about Ben's passer ratings in the Super Bowl all you want...but the great players make the plays when it COUNTS. If you need a reminder, please go watch the game winning drive in Super Bowl 43. Manning hasn't played that clutch in the postseason in years (and never in the Super Bowl). Don't misunderstand me, Manning and Brady are both much better QBs, but they're different styles. It's hard to compare Ben in the elite of the NFL because he plays a much different game than them. People are loving the stats a little too much...and I can't take a freaking Boston newspaper's opinion on anything Pittsburgh seriously. The guy is clearly still bitter. There are 2 QB's in this league I'd take before Ben, the golden duo, but there's been no one else who's shown they are better at winning games, no matter how it looks.

When people here are stating that with another ring he becomes the one of the greatest all time, then yes stats do matter. A lot.

Again you did not address the differences in the teams, at all. Manning carries his team. He is the offense. His defense is no where near the Steelers and the Colts run game is set up by his passing. I don't want to hear the 'Manning can't win when it counts' BS arguement. Give him a top three defense and he gets more opportunities with the ball. Trust me I watch LOTS of football I have seen plenty of the Steelers, and the Colts, and the Patriots, and the god aweful 49ers.

The Rothlisberger faboy syndrome around here is getting rediculous. Yes he is a good qb, I could even be persuaded that he is a very good qb but he is not elite and he is certainly not one of the best all time.

 

[Slimpikins]

LOL! Fucking blah///blah//blah.

The amount of rings a player has earned is the only statistic I need.

So you are saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino? Really?

 

[ELYEAH82]

So you are saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino? Really?

Typical Marino response...2 Rings and 3 appearances puts Ben in elite company. Whether anyone wants to admit it, name a QB that is retired with 2 rings and 3 SB appearances NOT in the HOF

 

[evolver115]

When people here are stating that with another ring he becomes the one of the greatest all time, then yes stats do matter. A lot.

Again you did not address the differences in the teams, at all. Manning carries his team. He is the offense. His defense is no where near the Steelers and the Colts run game is set up by his passing. I don't want to hear the 'Manning can't win when it counts' BS arguement. Give him a top three defense and he gets more opportunities with the ball. Trust me I watch LOTS of football I have seen plenty of the Steelers, and the Colts, and the Patriots, and the god aweful 49ers.

The Rothlisberger faboy syndrome around here is getting rediculous. Yes he is a good qb, I could even be persuaded that he is a very good qb but he is not elite and he is certainly not one of the best all time.

The year Peyton won his lone SuperBowl Title, Manning had sub-par numbers throughout the post-season. He threw for a little over 1000 yards through four games, with 3 TD passes compared to 7 INT's. He never had a passer-rating better than 81, never had a game in that post-season without chucking at least one INT and also had two multi-pick games.

The Colts benefited heavily from a run game that had two backs with over 290 yards each, post-season, and a defense that came into the post-season as a relative unknown, but capitalized greatly with a healthy return of safety Bob Sanders. The 06 colts defense gave up an average of 16.2 points per game in the post-season.

Ben Roethlisberger isn't an elite QB. That's not my point, here. Merely just pointing out that all successful Super-Bowl winning QB's in recent history benefit greatly from a superior defense behind them. Even the two 'elite' QB's of the NFL today have to thank a superior defense for a great portion of the hardware.

For example, Brady's 3 rings came largely on the backbone of a defense that was top 3 in points allowed per game for the regular season. The final two years the Pats won titles, their defense was ranked #1 and #2 in Pts/G.

Defense wins championships.

 

[Slimpikins]

Typical Marino response...2 Rings and 3 appearances puts Ben in elite company. Whether anyone wants to admit it, name a QB that is retired with 2 rings and 3 SB appearances NOT in the HOF

So do you think that Dilfer is better than Marino or not? It is not just rings that make a qb. I never said that Ben was bad or that his rings don't add to his resume, but rings aren't the only thing to consider.

The year Peyton won his lone SuperBowl Title, Manning had sub-par numbers throughout the post-season. He threw for a little over 1000 yards through four games, with 3 TD passes compared to 7 INT's. He never had a passer-rating better than 81, never had a game in that post-season without chucking at least one INT and also had two multi-pick games.

The Colts benefited heavily from a run game that had two backs with over 290 yards each, post-season, and a defense that came into the post-season as a relative unknown, but capitalized greatly with a healthy return of safety Bob Sanders. The 06 colts defense gave up an average of 16.2 points per game in the post-season.

Ben Roethlisberger isn't an elite QB. That's not my point, here. Merely just pointing out that all successful Super-Bowl winning QB's in recent history benefit greatly from a superior defense behind them. Even the two 'elite' QB's of the NFL today have to thank a superior defense for a great portion of the hardware.

For example, Brady's 3 rings came largely on the backbone of a defense that was top 3 in points allowed per game for the regular season. The final two years the Pats won titles, their defense was ranked #1 and #2 in Pts/G.

Defense wins championships.

Of course champion teams have good defenses but look at Peytons stats in the regular season, in all of the games it took to get them to the playoffs. Look at Peytons stats in years that he has not had a great defense. I posted that in direct response to someone who told me that Peyton would not succeed if he played on Pittsburgh which you haven't disputed.

Look, I am not saying that Pitt fans shouldn't like Big Ben. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be excited that the Steelers are poised to win their seventh Superbowl. I have not said that Rothlisberger is overrated, in fact I have stated that he is a very good qb. Enjoy the moment be excited for you team and your players. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. He isn't an all time great qb.

 

[evolver115]

Of course champion teams have good defenses but look at Peytons stats in the regular season, in all of the games it took to get them to the playoffs. Look at Peytons stats in years that he has not had a great defense. I posted that in direct response to someone who told me that Peyton would not succeed if he played on Pittsburgh which you haven't disputed.

Look, I am not saying that Pitt fans shouldn't like Big Ben. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be excited that the Steelers are poised to win their seventh Superbowl. I have not said that Rothlisberger is overrated, in fact I have stated that he is a very good qb. Enjoy the moment be excited for you team and your players. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. He isn't an all time great qb.

Sorry bud, never pissed on anyone's leg. And, i never claimed Ben to be elite. I actually said he wasn't.

My simple point is that even the "elite" QB's in the NFL over the past ten years or so had to have a solid to dominant defense to win titles. That's all I'm saying.

In Manning's lone title season, he had abysmal post-season passing numbers. Manning is this era's closest version of Dan Marino. His ability to dominate threw the air is devastating. But, not all that different from Marino, his clutch ability in big games isn't very good.

 

[elocomotive]

In Manning's lone title season, he had abysmal post-season passing numbers. Manning is this era's closest version of Dan Marino. His ability to dominate threw the air is devastating. But, not all that different from Marino, his clutch ability in big games isn't very good.

Unrelated to the debate, I misread what you wrote and thought you said "closet-version" of Dan Marino, to which my mind went "what does that even mean?' Hahaha.

Then I got to the next sentence and did a double-take on "threw."

LOL. Your post messed with my mind!!