OT - I'm bored, Part Tanev

[elocomotive]

eloco, help me out here with scoring:

K - strikeout swinging
backwards "K" - strikeout looking

how do you score a DJ ejected?

That'd be a "MC 86" in your program.

 

[higgyfan4]

Best CF in baseball

Trout or McCutchen

Austin Jackson NEEDS to be in the discussion also...

Yes, looking at stats, Jackson has better overall stats (offensive AND defensive) than Trout. Trout doesn't even rank in the top 24 in fielding. Jackson is tied for first with Granderson and McCutchen is 5th.

 

[pixburgher66]

Speaking of baseball, did you all hear an intern running the music for a minor league baseball team was tossed by the ump for playing "three blind mice" after a close call at first?

This is awesome...

You have to have some sincere confidence issues if you toss a DJ here. Gosh.

 

[pixburgher66]

Austin Jackson NEEDS to be in the discussion also...

Yes, looking at stats, Jackson has better overall stats (offensive AND defensive) than Trout. Trout doesn't even rank in the top 24 in fielding. Jackson is tied for first with Granderson and McCutchen is 5th.

I dunno...you watch some of Trout's highlights and you know all you need to about his defensive abilities. Cutch's offensive numbers just put him ahead of the field by a fairly wide margin. I think his average is 30+ points ahead of the next player now. And Trout is just starting to learn the game at the big league level now. We're going to see crazy awesome things from him soon. I wouldn't call him the best right now because he is still so young and relatively unproven...but I can almost guarantee, sans injury, he'll be top 3 soon.

 

[mattola]

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[evolver115]

Best CF in baseball

Trout or McCutchen

some food for thought:

As post-cool as batting average might be among stats, McCutchen’s current .370 clip is the highest from anybody since Barry Bonds (MVP2002) also hit .370 in 2002. It’s the highest single-season average for a right-handed batter since Nomar Garciaparra’s .372 in 2000. The last right-handed hitter to hit .370 or better in the NL was the Big Cat, Andres Galarraga, for the Rockies in Denver back in 1993.

To find a right-handed hitter in the NL who delivered an average so high that didn’t involve doing it at altitude, you have to go all the way back to Joe Medwick in 1937. Whatever your complaints are about batting boosts from the PED era or a mile-high setting, the competitive environment of the small eight-team, all-white leagues of the ’30s was such that you might even asterisk Ducky’s big year as well. Simply put, McCutchen’s season already looks like one for the ages.

What McCutchen is doing right now hasn't been seen since the hey-day of the steriod era. If he's not a landslide MVP selection in the National League, some voters might need their heads examined.

 

[pixburgher66]

The funny thing with Cutch is he's cooled off since the ASB. There were times right before that where I swear he was thinking .400

 

[esls79]

Austin Jackson NEEDS to be in the discussion also...

Yes, looking at stats, Jackson has better overall stats (offensive AND defensive) than Trout. Trout doesn't even rank in the top 24 in fielding. Jackson is tied for first with Granderson and McCutchen is 5th.

Lets compare the 3 and see where each is slightly better or worse in (best of 3 bolded)

Age: Trout 21 and 2 days; McCutchen 25 and 306 days, Jackson 25 and 193 days

Total Plate Appearances Trout 411, Cutch 447, Jackson 405
Total Bases Trout 216, Cutch 248, Jackson178
Average Trout .345, Cutch .370, Jackson .318
Runs Trout 87, Cutch 77, Jackson 70
Hits Trout 125, Cutch 147, Jackson 112
2B Trout 21, Cutch 22, Jackson 19
3B Torut 5, Cutch 5, Jackson 7
HR Trout 20, Cutch 23, Jackson 11
RBI Trout 60, Cutch 69, Jackson 50
SB/CS Trout 36/3, Cutch 14/8, Jackson 10/5
BB/IBB Trout 38/3, Cutch 42/9, Jackson 48/0
SO Trout 85, Cutch 84, Jackson 92
HBP Trout 5, Cutch 3, Jackson 2
GIDP Trout 1, Cutch 5, Jackson 4
SFLY Trout 6, Cutch 5, Jackson 1
OBP Trout .409, Cutch .430, Jackson .402
SLG Trout .597, Cutch .625, Jackson .506
OPS Trout 1.005, Cutch 1.054, Jackson .908
ISOP Trout .251, Cutch .254, Jackson .188
OWAR Trout 6.1, Cutch 6.5, Jackson 3.9

FPCT Trout .993, Cutch .996, Jackson1.000
E Trout 1, Cutch 1, Jackson 0
RF Trout 2.61, Cutch 2.47, Jackson 2.53
DWAR Trout 0.8, Cutch -0.3, Jackson 0.3
RZR Trout .954, Cutch .920, Jackson .944
ARM Trout -1.2, Cutch -1.8, Jackson 0.1
RngR Trout 7.5 , Cutch -5.7, Jackson 3.9
ErrR Trout -0.2, Cutch 0.5, Jackson1.0
OOZ Trout 34, Cutch 53, Jackson 63
UZR Trout 6.1, Cutch -10.9, Jackson 4.9
UZR150 Trout 17.8, Cutch -10.9, Jackson 10.1

I know these are only some of the stats, but I feel these are a pretty good subsample.

McCutchen has the offensive side of things this year, although if the 30 or so at bats were made up, Trout may be a lot closer in all catergories except average, both Trout and Jackson have some bigger bats in there lineup as whereas McCutchen is pretty much the marquee man for the Bucs - Trout has the obvious advantage in the speed department not in just steals but the ability to not hit into double plays, Jackson and Trout are pretty comparable defensively, Jackson has a better arm and their range is pretty similar, but it appears even with Trout's speed, Jackson can cover more ground (I'm sure that is a park adjusted factor with the wide open outfield in center at Comerica).

 

[pixburgher66]

Also keep in mind how insulated the other two are. Think about the bats that protect them in the lineup, then think about the bats surrounding Cutch. Yeah...

 

[SLY]

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[Darkstone42]

Austin Jackson NEEDS to be in the discussion also...

Yes, looking at stats, Jackson has better overall stats (offensive AND defensive) than Trout. Trout doesn't even rank in the top 24 in fielding. Jackson is tied for first with Granderson and McCutchen is 5th.

Jackson is excellent, but he's not an MVP candidate like Cutch and Trout. There's no doubt about it that Jackson is the best of the three defensively right now, but in my opinion, offense is more important than defense.

There are three stats offensively by which I prefer to are wOBA, ISO, and RC+, so let's look at those. I'll make a slash line of wOBA/ISO/RC+.

McCutchen .439/.254/181
Trout .441/.251/184
Jackson .392/.188/147

Trout, by these numbers, has been the best of the three offensively, and Jackson isn't even close to the other two.

And there you have it.

 

[ritari330]

I think DS just ed your ass higgy

 

[esls79]

Jackson is excellent, but he's not an MVP candidate like Cutch and Trout. There's no doubt about it that Jackson is the best of the three defensively right now, but in my opinion, offense is more important than defense.

There are three stats offensively by which I prefer to are wOBA, ISO, and RC+, so let's look at those. I'll make a slash line of wOBA/ISO/RC+.

McCutchen .439/.254/181
Trout .441/.251/184
Jackson .392/.188/147

Trout, by these numbers, has been the best of the three offensively, and Jackson isn't even close to the other two.

And there you have it.

With the ISO stat, if say Trout had Jackson's line, it wouldn't be as bad due to his propensity to steal bases, but unfortunately right now for Jackson, that line of his looks too much like Joe Mauer offensively to be considered in the same league as Trout and Cutch.

 

[Darkstone42]

I think DS just ed your ass higgy

With the ISO stat, if say Trout had Jackson's line, it wouldn't be as bad due to his propensity to steal bases, but unfortunately right now for Jackson, that line of his looks too much like Joe Mauer offensively to be considered in the same league as Trout and Cutch.

I was surprised when I saw Jackson's stolen base numbers. I expected them to be much better.

 

[higgyfan4]

Jackson is excellent, but he's not an MVP candidate like Cutch and Trout. There's no doubt about it that Jackson is the best of the three defensively right now, but in my opinion, offense is more important than defense.

There are three stats offensively by which I prefer to are wOBA, ISO, and RC+, so let's look at those. I'll make a slash line of wOBA/ISO/RC+.

McCutchen .439/.254/181
Trout .441/.251/184
Jackson .392/.188/147

Trout, by these numbers, has been the best of the three offensively, and Jackson isn't even close to the other two.

And there you have it.

Jackson also missed significant time with injury earlier in the season. If not for the lost time, I still believe he'd be right up there.

Anyways, we already know who the AL MVP is gonna be, and it's one Miguel Cabrera.

BOOK IT!

4224! Ironic how I get my palindrome post replying to you of all people.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

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[esls79]

Jackson also missed significant time with injury earlier in the season. If not for the lost time, I still believe he'd be right up there.

Anyways, we already know who the AL MVP is gonna be, and it's one Miguel Cabrera.

BOOK IT!

4224! Ironic how I get my palindrome post replying to you of all people.

Jackson and Trout have are within 9 at bats of each other - Trout was in triple A until the end of April - Imagine what his numbers would look like with those four weeks added to it.

And right now, I'd say it's a two horse race between Miggy and Trout for AL MVP, but if Leyland has to stump for Miggy, I'd think Trout is the frontrunner. You can't win the mvp before August, but you can lose it - lets see what happens in the final two months.

 

[higgyfan4]

Jackson and Trout have are within 9 at bats of each other - Trout was in triple A until the end of April - Imagine what his numbers would look like with those four weeks added to it.

And right now, I'd say it's a two horse race between Miggy and Trout for AL MVP, but if Leyland has to stump for Miggy, I'd think Trout is the frontrunner. You can't win the mvp before August, but you can lose it - lets see what happens in the final two months.

I don't think Leyland 'has to stump' for Miggy, his numbers (this year and career) speak for themselves. You are right, however. MVP isn't won in August.

Would be pretty cool having the 2 different MVP's from the same team 2 years in a row.

GO TIGERS!!! RAWR!!!

 

[higgyfan4]

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[Winged_Wheel88]

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