Ongoing NHL Thread Part V minutes for fighting

[thedddd]

Letang was playing rover on the Calvert goal.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Common sense tells you that it should be the parents' job.

As a coach, I have seen some parents start that "hockey parent" track when their kids are like 8 years old. My son's Bantam season, he played with a kid whose dad was already contacting colleges to come scout his kid.

Bantams are 12-13. I think a parent that is doing shit like that isn't really thinking too much about whether little Timmy knows how to write a cheque.

When you look at kids that make it to the NHL, most are identified early, and go off to live with billet families to play in Junior. at 15 or 16. So the likelihood that good parental involvement is common is that much lower.

Minor unimportant detail but Bantam is 13-14, no? And in Canada half of them are already 15 by the end of their major Bantam season (I can't remember whether USA uses birth year or season age but I think it's the latter).

I know more than a few people that played in the OHL and Q and their parents so I do know how this generally goes, I'm just not that close to it right now so I didn't know if/how much it's changed. And a top kid on the college path up here probably doesn't have to be in a billeting situation, Tier II junior up here is not really like in the USHL where it's more spread out.

I guess I thought stating "these kids have no life skills" so matter of factly kinda sounded like implicitly excusing the parents for not preparing them. I correctly suspected that wasn't actually what you meant

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I don't have any kids but I always assumed that preparing them for adulthood would have been part of my "job if I did. Do hockey parents not generally take that approach these days? They're not all just trying to sell books, are they?

In a guy like Ferraros (or Brashears) time, the kid would go to junior and new non familial adults were then tending to the kid. Adults would continue to do everything for the player in most cases without the parental urgency to actually teach the kid to do something on their own. The player wouldnt have to do anything so the player didnt learn anything. Pair that with schooling being secondary to hockey and the player could come out the other end being pretty stupid at life.

I think theres a strange difference with todays young athlete ... theres alot more life resources available for hockey players that go to junior or college... and technology makes doing things much easier ... so “adulting” *should* be easier ... but society today seems to shelter kids and not let them make their own choices in places where pressure exists because the parents dont want their kids to fail

My son played house all his hockey life and last year in atom, kids would tease each other if they needed their mom/dad to come into the room to tie their skates for them

He decided he wanted to tryout for rep this year and made a team first year peewee. Half the kids on his team this year have their parents tie their skates for them. Not because the kids cant ive come to learn... but because they dont think their kids tie their skates tight enough and it would effect their skating

 

[forty_three]

Minor unimportant detail but Bantam is 13-14, no? And in Canada half of them are already 15 by the end of their major Bantam season (I can't remember whether USA uses birth year or season age but I think it's the latter).

I know more than a few people that played in the OHL and Q and their parents so I do know how this generally goes, I'm just not that close to it right now so I didn't know if/how much it's changed. And a top kid on the college path up here probably doesn't have to be in a billeting situation, Tier II junior up here is not really like in the USHL where it's more spread out.

I guess I thought stating "these kids have no life skills" so matter of factly kinda sounded like implicitly excusing the parents for not preparing them. I correctly suspected that wasn't actually what you meant

First yeah, you're right. 13-14. oops.

Second I was indeed specifically talking about the top end guys who make it to an NHL rookie camp. The closer they are to making the NHL, the further they can be from reality.

 

[thedddd]

Congrats Crosby #450.

 

[DragonfromTO]

In a guy like Ferraros (or Brashears) time, the kid would go to junior and new non familial adults were then tending to the kid. Adults would continue to do everything for the player in most cases without the parental urgency to actually teach the kid to do something on their own. The player wouldnt have to do anything so the player didnt learn anything. Pair that with schooling being secondary to hockey and the player could come out the other end being pretty stupid at life.

I think theres a strange difference with todays young athlete ... theres alot more life resources available for hockey players that go to junior or college... and technology makes doing things much easier ... so “adulting” *should* be easier ... but society today seems to shelter kids and not let them make their own choices in places where pressure exists because the parents dont want their kids to fail

My son played house all his hockey life and last year in atom, kids would tease each other if they needed their mom/dad to come into the room to tie their skates for them

He decided he wanted to tryout for rep this year and made a team first year peewee. Half the kids on his team this year have their parents tie their skates for them. Not because the kids cant ive come to learn... but because they dont think their kids tie their skates tight enough and it would effect their skating

I guess to me the billeting thing always seemed more like a bad excuse for the parents than a good reason.

The thing with the skates is pretty wild. It seems like a (even Minor) Peewee aged kid playing rep hockey should be strong enough to tie them anyway though, no matter how tight they need to be. I liked mine super tight as a kid and spent most of my Minor Atom season having a teammate's strong father tie them rather than my mom but by that summer even I could get them how I liked them, and I was only 10 at the time (I'm a late birthday).

 

[dash]

Congrats Crosby #450.

I know different eras (higher scoring, defensive systems and goalies were not as strong), but he would just need 441 more to catch #99.

 

[DragonfromTO]

First yeah, you're right. 13-14. oops.

Second I was indeed specifically talking about the top end guys who make it to an NHL rookie camp. The closer they are to making the NHL, the further they can be from reality.

I played in college with the son of Joe Thornton's Bruins billet family (Joe actually came to a couple of our games and didn't even attract a crowd) and I remember that he at least had chores. I don't know if he did them though or if he just took the shit haha.

 

[thedddd]

Glad Michel Cormier got up. That didn’t look good.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

The thing with the skates is pretty wild. It seems like a (even Minor) Peewee aged kid playing rep hockey should be strong enough to tie them anyway though, no matter how tight they need to be. I liked mine super tight as a kid and spent most of my Minor Atom season having a teammate's strong father tie them rather than my mom but by that summer even I could get them how I liked them, and I was only 10 at the time (I'm a late birthday).

Thats the thing though right. The kids know how to do it but the dads think they need to do it for their kid.

My sons teams coaches are young guys (ones a 20 year old playing junior b locally - surprisingly capable guy lol) but sharp enough to see that the parents in question need to cut the cords so to speak

so they tried to make the room closed to parents on game days. A couple of the skate tie-ing parents subverted it by pointing to Hockey Canadas 2 deep rule and that “someone” (like 1 of them perhaps lol) needed to be in the room when the coaches werent present

 

[dash]

Congrats Crosby #450.

Holy shitballs, nice goal.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Holy shitballs, nice goal.

I have scored goals plenty of times like that






On Nintendo

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Christ.

 

[gob]

Christ.

 

[thedddd]

Landeskog did his best Jack Johnson impersonation for the Penguins win.

NOTE: Tanev with the goal. So that means he is the 1st offseason acquisition (trade/FA signing) to score a goal.

 

[dash]

I think it might be time for the Stars owner to call out Benn and Seguin again.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

This Oilers-Flyers jersey colour clash is pretty annoying.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

What was inconclusive on the original shot ?

 

[naslundfan19]

This guy might have a hockey future.

 

[dash]

This Oilers-Flyers jersey colour clash is pretty annoying.