Ongoing NHL Thread Part IV - A New Hope

[Nasty_Magician]

I actually think it's a decent haul for Montreal considering they had no leverage whatsoever. Decent, top 6 forward, the 13th overall pick last year and a 2nd?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I actually think it's a decent haul for Montreal considering they had no leverage whatsoever. Decent, top 6 forward, the 13th overall pick last year and a 2nd?

He might be a top 6 forward in Montreal but that's the equivalent of a minor leaguer at this point. One who makes $5 mil/yr.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

If Vegas were willing to give up Suzuki for Patches, who may very well be starting the downward slope of his career, why not just give up Makar for Karlsson?

 

[forty_three]

Damn. That all it took???

Seriously.

Bergy strikes again.

 

[forty_three]

Someone made this concept logo:

Looks cool, but the 'nucks would probably put on a green jersey.

 

[Comeds]

I actually think (hope) Max has some left in the tank. He's a good goal scorer but with the beating and injuries he has taken over the years I feel that he will get old and his skills will diminish quickly.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I actually think (hope) Max has some left in the tank. He's a good goal scorer but with the beating and injuries he has taken over the years I feel that he will get old and his skills will diminish quickly.

If he's an improvement on James Neal that will mean Vegas added Patches and Stastny while subtracting Neal and Suzuki (ignoring what he gave up for Tatar for a second). If Max goes 30+ again, it's good work.

If not, and Suzuki becomes even a 2C this is yet another horrible GMGM move.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

The expansion draft will never stop haunting Columbus.

 

[forty_three]

The expansion draft will never stop haunting Columbus.

sigh

 

[dash]

So with Vegas getting Patches, that effectively takes them out of the running for Erik Karlsson. Who does that leave, Tampa Bay and Dallas?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

So with Vegas getting Patches, that effectively takes them out of the running for Erik Karlsson. Who does that leave, Tampa Bay and Dallas?

If they trade him now? Pretty much.

The theory now is they're trying to do a 90-91 Leafs and avoid their stupidly-traded draft pick turning into a 1st overall. To do so, they plan to hold their expirings until the last possible minute and hope it's enough to get them more into the mid-round area. If that's the case, there could be a whole whack of teams to emerge as suitors as the season progresses.

 

[forty_three]

The expansion draft will never stop haunting Columbus.

Ha!

whew

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Ha!

whew

I think he's wrong. Per the Wikipedia page for that draft:

1. The Winnipeg Jets' first-round pick went to the Vegas Golden Knights as the result of a trade on June 21, 2017, that sent Columbus' first-round pick in 2017 to Winnipeg in exchange for Vegas selecting Chris Thorburn in the 2017 NHL Expansion Draft from Winnipeg, a third-round pick in 2019 and this pick.[9]

CBJ's pick was 24, and in exchange for Vegas not picking whoever it was the Jets didn't want them picking they flipped 1st rounders and Vegas wound up with Winnipeg's pick which was 13, which they used on Suzuki. Marshall is thinking about pick 15 that Vegas got from super GM Garth Snow.

 

[dash]

I actually think it's a decent haul for Montreal considering they had no leverage whatsoever. Decent, top 6 forward, the 13th overall pick last year and a 2nd?

 

[forty_three]

I think he's wrong. Per the Wikipedia page for that draft:

1. The Winnipeg Jets' first-round pick went to the Vegas Golden Knights as the result of a trade on June 21, 2017, that sent Columbus' first-round pick in 2017 to Winnipeg in exchange for Vegas selecting Chris Thorburn in the 2017 NHL Expansion Draft from Winnipeg, a third-round pick in 2019 and this pick.[9]

CBJ's pick was 24, and in exchange for Vegas not picking whoever it was the Jets didn't want them picking they flipped 1st rounders and Vegas wound up with Winnipeg's pick which was 13, which they used on Suzuki. Marshall is thinking about pick 15 that Vegas got from super GM Garth Snow.

Right, so had the Jackets not been involved in any way their pick would have been 24 (Veseleinen) and not 13. So it's not really accurate to say the Jackets pick that year was one of the assets in the Pacioretty trade. Vegas already owned 24 which they swapped for 13. Columbus would not have been involved in 13 in any way.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

So with Vegas getting Patches, that effectively takes them out of the running for Erik Karlsson. Who does that leave, Tampa Bay and Dallas?

Ive been thanking Kenny for Dahlen but I hope I dont have to hear him thanking me for Bo Horvat

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Right, so had the Jackets not been involved in any way their pick would have been 24 (Veseleinen) and not 13. So it's not really accurate to say the Jackets pick that year was one of the assets in the Pacioretty trade. Vegas already owned 24 which they swapped for 13. Columbus would not have been involved in 13 in any way.

I suppose but Vegas doesn't get #13 without Columbus' #24. But yeah, he wasn't drafted with CBJ's pick.

 

[dash]

PTO - Puke TryOut

Stempniak will join the Bruins for training camp on a professional tryout agreement.

Stempniak missed the bulk of the 2017-18 campaign due to various injuries, as he appeared in just 37 contests. If the winger can prove he still has something in the tank and is fully fit, he may be able to secure a permanent contract -- although a wealth of talented youngsters stand in the way.

Bruins' Lee Stempniak: Inks PTO

 

[puckhead]

Winnick on PTO with Bruins as well

 

[puckhead]

dude's jacked