Ongoing NHL thread - Part III

[jstewismybastardson]

 

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Yakupov with 1 goal and 1 apple and was named first star tonight

/Made the most of less than 9 minutes TOI

 

[puckhead]

Evander Kane to the hospital after smashing into the boards.
rib issue?

Sabres be rattlin' early.

 

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Yak also assisted on the GWG by former Oiler Magnus Paajarvi

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Yak also assisted on the GWG by former Oiler Magnus Paajarvi

All 3 goals were scored by Oiler and Leaf castaways.

 

[BGDave]

The Bullshitter’s Guide to the NHL | VICE | Canada

Good article, and hit a little close to home.

I consider myself a b__shi__er of the highest order, but I only scored 4 out of 5. I have, and never will, swear off hockey.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Evander Kane to the hospital after smashing into the boards.
rib issue?

Sabres be rattlin' early.

Reports were that they were looking at ribs primarily and also considering the risk of any internal damage.

We can't have nice things

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Reports were that they were looking at ribs primarily and also considering the risk of any internal damage.

We can't have nice things

If you wanted nice things why trade for Evander Kane?

 

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I'm happy to see that missing those three pre-season games has really changed the way Andrew Shaw plays the game...

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

If you wanted nice things why trade for Evander Kane?

When he doesn't have his head firmly up his ass - which isn't nearly as often as I'd like - he's a good player. And given that we're already down our best player, probably our second best, and a top pairing D man, we could every healthy body we can get.

 

[forty_three]

When he doesn't have his head firmly up his ass - which isn't nearly as often as I'd like - he's a good player. And given that we're already down our best player, probably our second best, and a top pairing D man, we could every healthy body we can get.

I can send you Jack Johnson

 

[forty_three]

So, I turned on the Ducks game. Within a minute, Jared Boll took a charging penalty.

I laughed and breathed a huge sigh of relief.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

When he doesn't have his head firmly up his ass - which isn't nearly as often as I'd like - he's a good player. And given that we're already down our best player, probably our second best, and a top pairing D man, we could every healthy body we can get.

Is he though? Guy has one 30 goal season, last year was the only other time he even hit 20, he's had over 50 pts once, his shooting percentage has been mired in the 7% range for the last 3 years which is, in a word, bad (for comparison, David Clarkson's shooting % with the Leafs was 8%). Worse for a guy who has a grand total of 59 primary assists 5 on 5 in 430 NHL games.

The topper is that things have been getting worse, not better, as he's gotten older. I just don't see the plus side in him.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I'm happy to see that missing those three pre-season games has really changed the way Andrew Shaw plays the game...

Hopefully he gets a meeting with the DPOS. No that isn't a typo.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Is he though? Guy has one 30 goal season, last year was the only other time he even hit 20, he's had over 50 pts once, his shooting percentage has been mired in the 7% range for the last 3 years which is, in a word, bad (for comparison, David Clarkson's shooting % with the Leafs was 8%). Worse for a guy who has a grand total of 59 primary assists 5 on 5 in 430 NHL games.

The topper is that things have been getting worse, not better, as he's gotten older. I just don't see the plus side in him.

He's not as good as you'd hope for a 4th overall (although 2009 was a pretty weak draft), but yeah, I think he is, when he's actually healthy. As you point out, only one 50 point season and two 20 goal seasons, but he's also only played more than 70 games twice in his career - one being his 30/57 season. Some of those missed games were clearly of his own doing (see "head up ass" above), but he's also had a lot of injuries to deal with.

Over the course of a full season he'd generally be good for 20-25/45-50 based on career history, probably a little higher if he played with some decent talent around him, which ROR and Okposo would certainly qualify. Those are numbers that I'd classify as good, but not great.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

He's not as good as you'd hope for a 4th overall (although 2009 was a pretty weak draft), but yeah, I think he is, when he's actually healthy. As you point out, only one 50 point season and two 20 goal seasons, but he's also only played more than 70 games twice in his career - one being his 30/57 season. Some of those missed games were clearly of his own doing (see "head up ass" above), but he's also had a lot of injuries to deal with.

Over the course of a full season he'd generally be good for 20-25/45-50 based on career history, probably a little higher if he played with some decent talent around him, which ROR and Okposo would certainly qualify. Those are numbers that I'd classify as good, but not great.

He's a good player. He HAD the potential to be excellent; he just hasn't gotten it through his head that he needs to bust his ass. As for 4th overall? He's actually pretty average, IMO. Below is the last 20 (who've had a year to get their career going) 4th overall picks with GP G A PIM. Not exactly wall-to-wall stars. Makes me realize once again how much people overvalue draft picks and tanking (unless it is Oiler level tanking).


2015 Mitch Marner FORWARD Toronto Maple Leafs
2014 Sam Bennett FORWARD Calgary Flames 78 18 19 37 37
2013 Seth Jones DEFENSE Nashville Predators 240 17 66 83 66
2012 Griffin Reinhart DEFENSE New York Islanders 37 0 2 2 26
2011 Adam Larsson DEFENSE New Jersey Devils 274 9 60 69 155
2010 Ryan Johansen FORWARD Columbus Blue Jackets 351 87 140 227 180
2009 Evander Kane FORWARD Atlanta Thrashers 426 129 128 257 476
2008 Alex Pietrangelo DEFENSE St. Louis Blues 459 51 204 255 153
2007 Thomas Hickey DEFENSE Los Angeles Kings 264 13 52 65 98
2006 Nicklas Backstrom FORWARD Washington Capitals 652 165 477 642 334
2005 Benoit Pouliot FORWARD Minnesota Wild 484 109 121 230 315
2004 Andrew Ladd FORWARD Carolina Hurricanes 769 210 256 466 479
2003 Nikolai Zherdev FORWARD Columbus Blue Jackets 421 115 146 261 225
2002 Joni Pitkanen DEFENSE Philadelphia Flyers 535 57 225 282 484
2001 Stephen Weiss FORWARD Florida Panthers 732 156 267 423 341
2000 Rostislav Klesla DEFENSE Columbus Blue Jackets 659 48 111 159 620
1999 Pavel Brendl FORWARD New York Rangers 78 11 11 22 16
1998 Bryan Allen DEFENSE Vancouver Canucks 721 29 107 136 839
1997 Roberto Luongo GOALIE New York Islanders 926 0 19 19 42
1996 Alexandre Volchkov FORWARD Washington Capitals 3 0 0 0 0

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

He's not as good as you'd hope for a 4th overall (although 2009 was a pretty weak draft), but yeah, I think he is, when he's actually healthy. As you point out, only one 50 point season and two 20 goal seasons, but he's also only played more than 70 games twice in his career - one being his 30/57 season. Some of those missed games were clearly of his own doing (see "head up ass" above), but he's also had a lot of injuries to deal with.

Over the course of a full season he'd generally be good for 20-25/45-50 based on career history, probably a little higher if he played with some decent talent around him, which ROR and Okposo would certainly qualify. Those are numbers that I'd classify as good, but not great.

But as you say, he's never healthy and even when he is he's struggling to make out as well as he did when he was 20/21 and playing with even shittier linemates on an even shittier team.

Guess I just don't see the bright side in him, even minus all the nonsense.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

He's a good player. He HAD the potential to be excellent; he just hasn't gotten it through his head that he needs to bust his ass. As for 4th overall? He's actually pretty average, IMO. Below is the last 20 (who've had a year to get their career going 4th overall picks with GP G A PIM. Not exactly wall-to-wall stars. Makes me realize once again how much people overvalue draft picks and tanking (unless it is Oiler level tanking).


2015 Mitch Marner FORWARD Toronto Maple Leafs
2014 Sam Bennett FORWARD Calgary Flames 78 18 19 37 37
2013 Seth Jones DEFENSE Nashville Predators 240 17 66 83 66
2012 Griffin Reinhart DEFENSE New York Islanders 37 0 2 2 26
2011 Adam Larsson DEFENSE New Jersey Devils 274 9 60 69 155
2010 Ryan Johansen FORWARD Columbus Blue Jackets 351 87 140 227 180
2009 Evander Kane FORWARD Atlanta Thrashers 426 129 128 257 476
2008 Alex Pietrangelo DEFENSE St. Louis Blues 459 51 204 255 153
2007 Thomas Hickey DEFENSE Los Angeles Kings 264 13 52 65 98
2006 Nicklas Backstrom FORWARD Washington Capitals 652 165 477 642 334
2005 Benoit Pouliot FORWARD Minnesota Wild 484 109 121 230 315
2004 Andrew Ladd FORWARD Carolina Hurricanes 769 210 256 466 479
2003 Nikolai Zherdev FORWARD Columbus Blue Jackets 421 115 146 261 225
2002 Joni Pitkanen DEFENSE Philadelphia Flyers 535 57 225 282 484
2001 Stephen Weiss FORWARD Florida Panthers 732 156 267 423 341
2000 Rostislav Klesla DEFENSE Columbus Blue Jackets 659 48 111 159 620
1999 Pavel Brendl FORWARD New York Rangers 78 11 11 22 16
1998 Bryan Allen DEFENSE Vancouver Canucks 721 29 107 136 839
1997 Roberto Luongo GOALIE New York Islanders 926 0 19 19 42
1996 Alexandre Volchkov FORWARD Washington Capitals 3 0 0 0 0

You're still more likely than not to get a top 6/top 4 player at 4.

Also, most of those late 90s/early 00s drafts were awful after the first pick or two regardless.

 

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Did you know Sam Bennett is 20 years old?