Offseason, cap, team needs, etc

[Mrhappi06]

Never said anything about QB, but hey like I said bet or shut up. I'm done talking. I'll bet 10,000.00 that if we have a RB not named Murray carry 300 plus times next season, that he will get 1,200 yards or more. If you don't want to bet 10,000.00 then you call it, and trust me I am not bluffing when I put out that number; so put up or shut up, because if you not willing to put up then you don't even believe in what you are saying, you're just talking.

Dude take a Midol and calm the fuck down. You want to bet me 10000 over a difference on a message board? This may be the dumbest thing I've read all day. And I live in Florida. Some folks take themselves way too seriously.

 

[jarntt]

Not to be disrespectful; but I do not think you are looking at it correctly. Murray had 392 carries this season, so lets round that up to 400 carries. I think every one of those backs could and would average 4.0 yards a carry behind this OL, I think an average RB in the NFL could average 4.0 per a carry. Well if you take 4 times 400 you get 1,600 yards out of it. Not saying Murray was not good; BUT I will say that AP who has a career average of 5.0 while being the main focus in Minny could get 4.5 per carry and that would be 1,800 yards for the season on 400 carries. To get 1,400 yards on 400 carries all you have to do is average 3.5 per carry, which for most of these backs in the NFL should be no problem. Agree or no? To me if you disagree that a NFL back couldn't get 4 yards per average behind this OL, then that would mean our OL isn't as good as we make it out to be. With a great OL an average back should be able to get 4 per a carry correct?

Nets, c'mon man. Take a step back and think about what you are saying here.

First off Murray averaged 4.7 YPC. Second, the more carries you get and the more you are known to be the focus of the Offense, the harder it is to have a high average, the less successful it becomes and the less carries you get. I'm not saying the tow are equal, but AP's career average is 5.0 and Murray's is 4.8...pretty close and it's not like Murray has always been behind a great OL. AP is getting older and his last full year his average was 4.5 YPC and last year it was 3.6. McFadden hasn't had more than 3.4 YPC since 2011 and Ray Rice had 3.1 his last year and no way I assume any rookie is going to give me starter production, let alone 1,500 yards If I'm thinking I'm close to a SB.

And no I don't agree at all and here is the problem. It's not about starting with 400 carries and doing the math on an estimated YPC to figure out how many yards a guy will get. How often will a RB have 400 carries? This is the NFL not a math problem. None of those other RBs you mentioned would get 400 carries in this offense. We would NEVER give a guy with a 3.5 YPC 400 carries. Even Murray won't get 400 carries going forward. Do you think that if Murray was averaging 3.5 YPC we would have run the offense the way we did? Even if he had 4.0 YPC he wouldn't have been anywhere near the number of carries he had because we would have thrown the ball more. Plus, even if as a team we run a lot next year the % of the carries won't go to those other guys the way it did Murray. So again, there is no way all of those guys you listed are getting 1,500 yards on this team next year. Perhaps one or two of them could, but 11??? How many rookies in history have had 1,500 yards rushing and how many RBs per year do it? IMO It's crazy to think that.

 

[Mrhappi06]

Never said anything about QB, but hey like I said bet or shut up. I'm done talking. I'll bet 10,000.00 that if we have a RB not named Murray carry 300 plus times next season, that he will get 1,200 yards or more. If you don't want to bet 10,000.00 then you call it, and trust me I am not bluffing when I put out that number; so put up or shut up, because if you not willing to put up then you don't even believe in what you are saying, you're just talking.

Dude take a Midol and calm the fuck down. You want to bet me 10000 over a difference on a message board? This may be the dumbest thing I've read all day. And I live in Florida. Some folks take themselves way too seriously.
Hey look everybody, if teams threw at Carr every play, he would have more deflections that anyone. It's all about reps. Lol.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Dude take a Midol and calm the fuck down. You want to bet me 10000 over a difference on a message board? This may be the dumbest thing I've read all day. And I live in Florida. Some folks take themselves way too seriously.

Exactly like I thought. I believe in what I am saying, and you are just talking out the side of your mouth. Since you don't want to bet 10k, bet 1,200.00 seems like a good number since 1,200 is the amount of yards you say any RB behind this OL couldn't get on 300 plus carries. How about this, I'll bet you $2 for every $1 you bet.

 

[Mrhappi06]

Why would I bet some goon on a message board? I think your statement was super dumb, and no amount of posturing you do is going to change that. Just gotta deal with it. Take a deep breath. It's just a message board, and while you seem to think your honor is at stake, I look at this place as entertainment.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Nets, c'mon man. Take a step back and think about what you are saying here.

First off Murray averaged 4.7 YPC. Second, the more carries you get and the more you are known to be the focus of the Offense, the harder it is to have a high average, the less successful it becomes and the less carries you get. I'm not saying the tow are equal, but AP's career average is 5.0 and Murray's is 4.8...pretty close and it's not like Murray has always been behind a great OL. AP is getting older and his last full year his average was 4.5 YPC and last year it was 3.6. McFadden hasn't had more than 3.4 YPC since 2011 and Ray Rice had 3.1 his last year and no way I assume any rookie is going to give me starter production, let alone 1,500 yards If I'm thinking I'm close to a SB.

And no I don't agree at all and here is the problem. It's not about starting with 400 carries and doing the math on an estimated YPC to figure out how many yards a guy will get. How often will a RB have 400 carries? This is the NFL not a math problem. None of those other RBs you mentioned would get 400 carries in this offense. We would NEVER give a guy with a 3.5 YPC 400 carries. Even Murray won't get 400 carries going forward. Do you think that if Murray was averaging 3.5 YPC we would have run the offense the way we did? Even if he had 4.0 YPC he wouldn't have been anywhere near the number of carries he had because we would have thrown the ball more. Plus, even if as a team we run a lot next year the % of the carries won't go to those other guys the way it did Murray. So again, there is no way all of those guys you listed are getting 1,500 yards on this team next year. Perhaps one or two of them could, but 11??? How many rookies in history have had 1,500 yards rushing and how many RBs per year do it? IMO It's crazy to think that.

I never said the guys would get 400 carries, but what I did say is if they did get 400 carries they would get 1,500 yards. Now if you don't have Dez here I don't think you could make that claim, but ask Philly what happens when you stack the box and leave Dez 1 on 1. Murray had a hell of a year, don't get me wrong. Am I saying anyone could do and be what he was? No, am I saying Murray isn't a top 3 RB in the NFL? No, but I am saying that if this OL is as great as we say it is, then any back in the NFL or draft should be able to make an impact of at least 4 yards per carry, which if we run like we say we will, then it'll result in the yards based off of carries. If a RB can't get 4 per then he doesn't need to be in the NFL or this OL isn't as good as we think it is. I say all this to say you don't pay an RB, that with a great OL, NO RB is worth over 6M per, and I do mean NO RB

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Why would I bet some goon on a message board? I think your statement was super dumb, and no amount of posturing you do is going to change that. Just gotta deal with it. Take a deep breath. It's just a message board, and while you seem to think your honor is at stake, I look at this place as entertainment.

Goon, far from that. Honor, lol don't make me laugh, I can careless what you think of me or my post. I am simply telling you to put up or shut up! You want to make comments without standing by them. Put something of value behind your words, show that you stand by what you say, and that you believe it to be true, I know I do and will put up to prove it! If you can't man up, don't even bother posting a reply, it'll just show you are here for attention, rather than posting what you believe to be true.

 

[Mrhappi06]

Goon, far from that. Honor, lol don't make me laugh, I can careless what you think of me or my post. I am simply telling you to put up or shut up! You want to make comments without standing by them. Put something of value behind your words, show that you stand by what you say, and that you believe it to be true, I know I do and will put up to prove it! If you can't man up, don't even bother posting a reply, it'll just show you are here for attention, rather than posting what you believe to be true.

Yep. Your post was Super dumb. And there's not a thing other than crying that you can do about it. Super dumb

 

[Mrhappi06]

Give the rock to Randle 400 times and he'd be Money. Lmao. Anybody can do it.

 

[jarntt]

Exactly like I thought. I believe in what I am saying, and you are just talking out the side of your mouth. Since you don't want to bet 10k, bet 1,200.00 seems like a good number since 1,200 is the amount of yards you say any RB behind this OL couldn't get on 300 plus carries. How about this, I'll bet you $2 for every $1 you bet.

But again, here is the problem with your ORIGINAL assumption:

"I think you can get DMac or CJ Spiller in this O and they could get 1,500 easy."


By saying only IF the guy gets a certain number of carries changes the entire discussion. The original discussion was about the number of yards, not the number of yards if a guy gets x carries. Murray got almost 400 carries because he was having an amazing season, not because that was the goal of the Offense. But, Do you know that only Murray and one other RB in the league had even 300 carries this year? I'm glad you came off of your comment about 400 carries, but even 300 carries is no guarantee which is why guys don't often get 1,500 yards and why I disagreed with your original comment so strongly.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

But again, here is the problem with your ORIGINAL assumption:

"I think you can get DMac or CJ Spiller in this O and they could get 1,500 easy."


By saying only IF the guy gets a certain number of carries changes the entire discussion. The original discussion was about the number of yards, not the number of yards if a guy gets x carries. Murray got almost 400 carries because he was having an amazing season, not because that was the goal of the Offense. But, Do you know that only Murray and one other RB in the league had even 300 carries this year? I'm glad you came off of your comment about 400 carries, but even 300 carries is no guarantee which is why guys don't often get 1,500 yards and why I disagreed with your original comment so strongly.

You have to forgive me if it came off that way, BUT I do feel as if a guy getting the same chance Murray got, attempts etc. could duplicate it or at least get 1,500 yards. The problem with CJ and DMac is not talent, it's health. That was the problem with Murray, but we forget this after one year. Would you give Murray a contract over 5M per with 10-15M guaranteed over 4 yrs? I wouldn't, max would be 5M per over 5 years with 8M guaranteed.

 

[jarntt]

You have to forgive me if it came off that way, BUT I do feel as if a guy getting the same chance Murray got, attempts etc. could duplicate it or at least get 1,500 yards. The problem with CJ and DMac is not talent, it's health. That was the problem with Murray, but we forget this after one year. Would you give Murray a contract over 5M per with 10-15M guaranteed over 4 yrs? I wouldn't, max would be 5M per over 5 years with 8M guaranteed.

I don't give Murray a HUGE contract, but I also don't lose him over $1M per year.
A 4 year contract for over $20M or lets say $22M ($5.5M) and $10-$15M guaranteed? Sure. Especially if only $10M guaranteed. You wouldn't give Murray a 4 year $22M contract with an $8M signing bonus like the below?

Year 1 salary - $2M guaranteed for a total of $8M; Cap hit: $4M (with $2M of bonus allocation)
Year 2 salary - $3M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $5M
Year 3 salary - $4M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $6M Dead money to cut $4M
Year 4 salary - $5M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $7M Dead money to cut $2M

Even if you go to $6M average for 4 years at the same $8M signing bonus it's:
Year 1 salary - $2M guaranteed for a total of $8M; Cap hit: $4M (with $2M of bonus allocation)
Year 2 salary - $3M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $5M
Year 3 salary - $5M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $7M Dead money to cut $4M
Year 4 salary - $6M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $8M Dead money to cut $2M

I'll also guarantee the Year 2 salary and make it $13M in guaranteed $

 

[GNG]

After green bay scored on that 1st drive the cowboys were in total control until romo tried to be the hero.

I don't blame Romo for this loss. our defense couldn't stop a gimpy Rodgers.

 

[GNG]

Murray is good but signing Dez is a higher priority.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

I don't give Murray a HUGE contract, but I also don't lose him over $1M per year.
A 4 year contract for over $20M or lets say $22M ($5.5M) and $10-$15M guaranteed? Sure. Especially if only $10M guaranteed. You wouldn't give Murray a 4 year $22M contract with an $8M signing bonus like the below?

Year 1 salary - $2M guaranteed for a total of $8M; Cap hit: $4M (with $2M of bonus allocation)
Year 2 salary - $3M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $5M
Year 3 salary - $4M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $6M Dead money to cut $4M
Year 4 salary - $5M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $7M Dead money to cut $2M

Even if you go to $6M average for 4 years at the same $8M signing bonus it's:
Year 1 salary - $2M guaranteed for a total of $8M; Cap hit: $4M (with $2M of bonus allocation)
Year 2 salary - $3M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $5M
Year 3 salary - $5M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $7M Dead money to cut $4M
Year 4 salary - $6M not guaranteed; Cap hit: $8M Dead money to cut $2M

I'll also guarantee the Year 2 salary and make it $13M in guaranteed $

It's possible; BUT all depends if he would take such a deal. I doubt he'd want a backloaded deal, he is an RB and knows with all the carries his career won't last long.

 

[UK Cowboy]

The argument for signing Murray is Emmitt.... even with the great OL of the 90's, the Cowboys went 0-2 when he held out

The argument against is the shelf life of RB's on their 2nd contract , Murray's injury history, and the fact Murray was in his contract year this season

The smart move might be the transition tag this year, and maybe the franchise tag the following year. When Dez signs his new deal, it will include a lower cap hit the first couple of years. The Cowboys can keep Murray a couple more years, then let him walk when he nears 30, about the same time Romo retires

 

[TxHeat]

The argument for signing Murray is Emmitt.... even with the great OL of the 90's, the Cowboys went 0-2 when he held out

The argument against is the shelf life of RB's on their 2nd contract , Murray's injury history, and the fact Murray was in his contract year this season

The smart move might be the transition tag this year, and maybe the franchise tag the following year. When Dez signs his new deal, it will include a lower cap hit the first couple of years. The Cowboys can keep Murray a couple more years, then let him walk when he nears 30, about the same time Romo retires

I was trying to remember who the RB was in '93 when Emmitt was out. Couldn't so went to the roster. The only other RB I saw was Derrick Lassic. I'm willing to bet that fortunately Randle is no Lassic. He rushed 75 times for 269 yards and three scores (over 10 games). But Jerry was flapping away yesterday about signing both. Stay tuned, but I like your idea.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

I was trying to remember who the RB was in '93 when Emmitt was out. Couldn't so went to the roster. The only other RB I saw was Derrick Lassic. I'm willing to bet that fortunately Randle is no Lassic. He rushed 75 times for 269 yards and three scores (over 10 games). But Jerry was flapping away yesterday about signing both. Stay tuned, but I like your idea.

The thing was that we never won with out Emmitt whether he missed the entire game or even part of it. I remember 2 games he got hurt on the first carry and they lost as well. It wasn't until Chris Warren came that we actually won one. Lassic actually ran well in the first game of 93. It just got out of hand. We also had a back in the late 90s named Sherman Williams who was affective at times.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I was trying to remember who the RB was in '93 when Emmitt was out. Couldn't so went to the roster. The only other RB I saw was Derrick Lassic. I'm willing to bet that fortunately Randle is no Lassic. He rushed 75 times for 269 yards and three scores (over 10 games). But Jerry was flapping away yesterday about signing both. Stay tuned, but I like your idea.

It's been awhile, but I seem to remember the immortal Sherman Williams from sometime during that era. I was just thinking about how nice it is to have Romo and Murray, knowing there was a time when we lined up Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I agree with most of what people are saying but Murray was a beast this year. There are RBs that don't succeed and dance around too much. Murray hit the first hole hard everytime. I get what everyone is saying about RBs being a dime a dozen and with the Cowboys OLine there are many who could do well but he can't just be slept on. Many RBs struggle with pass protection pick up, catching the ball, not dancing. Dallas is going to have to find someone good because Murray also hid that mediocre D. I wouldn't just write off what Murray can do and say "anyone can do what he did". I remember when the line wasn't that good and he still had like 800 yards over 8 games. He's gonna be hard to replace. Nt impossible, but not easy either.