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[OregonDucks]

I have a theory on why they put the belt on Cena. When DB comes back, Cena gives him a shot at the title right off the bat. The Authority costs Bryan the match, Cena turns Heel and becomes the poster boy for what HHH thinks the Champ should look like, setting up a No DQ at Wrestlemania, which Cena wins with help. By the following year, it's a Heel Cena vs a ready for prime time Roman Reigns for the Title. Then, eventually, Cena turns back. Would set up 3 crazy high rating Wrestlemanias

I would be for this. IF they turned Cena heel I would probably mark for him....Also, IF they did that, by the time Cena faced Reigns, assuming Reigns continues to grow in popularity. The matchup would be HUGE and the pop if Reigns won would probably match that of some of the pops back in the Attitude Era.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Cena will retain the title @ Battleground & @ Summer Slam. Ending the Streak has been more about Paul Heyman than it has been about Brock Lesnar anyways. Besides hate on Cena all you want but at least he shows up to as many events as possible (Raw, Smackdown, every PPV, Make a Wish, other PR events), Brock would be a waste of both the WWEC AND the WHC.

The Doobster isn't exactly a Cena fan (not a hater either), but I see much more sense in Cena holding on to those belts than Brock.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

But honestly, the WWEWHC should belong to either Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins. Those would be the ideal champions right now from the Doobster's perspective.

 

[OregonDucks]

Think Brock holds the title for 5 seconds before Rollins cashes in.

Cena can win if it means rollins cashes in. however, IMO its dumb to have Cena bury Lesnar AGAIN.

 

[Louie26]

Cena will retain the title @ Battleground & @ Summer Slam. Ending the Streak has been more about Paul Heyman than it has been about Brock Lesnar anyways. Besides hate on Cena all you want but at least he shows up to as many events as possible (Raw, Smackdown, every PPV, Make a Wish, other PR events), Brock would be a waste of both the WWEC AND the WHC.

The Doobster isn't exactly a Cena fan (not a hater either), but I see much more sense in Cena holding on to those belts than Brock.

This! How bout this Doob. (Admittedly, more of a Cena fan)

Cena retains at BG and he and Brock battle big time at Summer Slam, Cena gets beat up pretty good and Rollins cashes in. THEN......Reigns and Rollins feud?

Too early? I'd definitely watch that!

However, right now, I like Rollins and Ambrose feud.

Hope everyone had a great 4th of July!!

 

[Louie26]

Think Brock holds the title for 5 seconds before Rollins cashes in.

Cena can win if it means rollins cashes in. however, IMO its dumb to have Cena bury Lesnar AGAIN.

I REALLLLYYYYY like the idea of Cena going heel! Just don't see it.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Think Brock holds the title for 5 seconds before Rollins cashes in.

Cena can win if it means rollins cashes in. however, IMO its dumb to have Cena bury Lesnar AGAIN.

This! How bout this Doob. (Admittedly, more of a Cena fan)

Cena retains at BG and he and Brock battle big time at Summer Slam, Cena gets beat up pretty good and Rollins cashes in. THEN......Reigns and Rollins feud?

Too early? I'd definitely watch that!

However, right now, I like Rollins and Ambrose feud.

Hope everyone had a great 4th of July!!

I REALLLLYYYYY like the idea of Cena going heel! Just don't see it.

Great ideas guys!



Just don't have Brock as the long term champion

 

[OregonDucks]

Don't think Brock will be. Don't really see the point in having be long term.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Don't think Brock will be. Don't really see the point in having be long term.

 

[futballiscool]

Don't think Brock will be. Don't really see the point in having be long term.

Just look at in strictly business terms. The WWE is looking for an attraction at PPVs to get casual fans or lasped fans to buy the network. There's no bigger attraction for that demographic than a Lesnar dominant title reign.

Cena is the only draw even remotely close to Lesnar's level and he's supposed to start filming a movie in the fall.

Plus between the UFC background, the breaking of the streak, and a potentially dominant title run whoever finally beats him gets turned into an over night mega-star.

I grew up on Hogan at 4 PPVs a year and maybe some SNME shows. Bringing exclusivity back to the world champion on a one time basis has potential

Personally I think it could be a good storyline if they do it the right way

 

[OregonDucks]

Just look at in strictly business terms. The WWE is looking for an attraction at PPVs to get casual fans or lasped fans to buy the network. There's no bigger attraction for that demographic than a Lesnar dominant title reign.

Cena is the only draw even remotely close to Lesnar's level and he's supposed to start filming a movie in the fall.

Plus between the UFC background, the breaking of the streak, and a potentially dominant title run whoever finally beats him gets turned into an over night mega-star.

I grew up on Hogan at 4 PPVs a year and maybe some SNME shows. Bringing exclusivity back to the world champion on a one time basis has potential

Personally I think it could be a good storyline if they do it the right way

I don't think you could do it strictly one match per month and only see the champ once a month. I don't think the fans have the patience for that and you run the risk of ruining some wrestlers momentum trying to chase the title.

I do agree, IF they do it right, it could be a cool storyline. But I think you have to have Brock make an appearance from time to time, and most certainely Heyman needs to shove it down our throats.

 

[futballiscool]

I don't think you could do it strictly one match per month and only see the champ once a month. I don't think the fans have the patience for that and you run the risk of ruining some wrestlers momentum trying to chase the title.

I do agree, IF they do it right, it could be a cool storyline. But I think you have to have Brock make an appearance from time to time, and most certainely Heyman needs to shove it down our throats.

Heyman's definitely going to be overbearing. Plus they could have vignettes and footage of Lesnar to show at Raw. The less he's there the bigger of a deal he'll feel like when he does show up to promote a PPV

Everything points at him as the next champion. Cena needing time off for a movie, Bryan out with an injury, dirtsheet rumors, Triple H hyping up a plan B..

They're less concerned about Raw ratings and more concerned about the Network buys at this point

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Heyman's definitely going to be overbearing. Plus they could have vignettes and footage of Lesnar to show at Raw. The less he's there the bigger of a deal he'll feel like when he does show up to promote a PPV

Everything points at him as the next champion. Cena needing time off for a movie, Bryan out with an injury, dirtsheet rumors, Triple H hyping up a plan B..

They're less concerned about Raw ratings and more concerned about the Network buys at this point

You bring up good points, but I there are better ways to sell the WWE Network than with Brock. Seems risky and a waste of resources to me. Anyone who resigns for the WWE Network for 6 months because of Brock is a fool IMO. In those 6 months you'll see Brock maybe 2 times. Not saying many people won't but it really makes no sense to sign up for the WWE Network because of Brock IMO. I would rather sign up for the WWE Network because of Bo Dallas than for Brock to tell you the truth.

 

[OregonDucks]

futball does bring up some good points. But so does Doobie...

But both you guys have the same bottom line...The Network...

WWE has to do something dramatic to sell 6 more months...And with Cena going to movies and Bryan still out, they are going to be desperate to do something big.

 

[johnson]

Isn't it odd how most of these guys are such great actors in the WWE setting, but are usually beyond horrifying in movies?

I'm usually on the fence on Super Cena. I do think he's really good when he has the belts, so it makes sense for WWE to let him keep them for a while. Reigns isn't ready. Rollins would make more sense, but he needs some time too.

 

[anotheridiot]

He recently won the WWE Championship for an astonishing 15th time, putting him in second place for as many wins behind Ric Flair, who has held the title 16 times. It's rumored that he will face Brock Lesnar at the next pay-per-view event, where he will have to defend the title. Fans were stunned that Cena pulled off the win after defeating numerous opponents inside the ring and finally climbing the ladder to take the titles. Many were hoping that Roman Reigns would take the title, given his recent climb in popularity.
However, according to Forbes, Cena's win greatly helped the WWE brand and owner Vince McMahon recover from a $750 million loss. Younger fans love Cena, who takes time out to focus on building his fan base; older fans respect his personality and dedication to his fans. Cena currently holds a record for fulfilling the most wishes of the Make-A-Wish program, which grants one big event or experience to children with serious diseases. The WWE Superstar is one of the most popular requests, and he never fails to fulfill his commitments or make his special fans feel like they too are champions.

Read more at John Cena New Role as Heel in Movie Could Carry Over to WWE

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Cena as a heel will eventually happen but not for another 5 years IMO. WWE isn't going to do anything risky with John Cena's character. I'm surprised they even let him play a bad guy in a movie.

 

[futballiscool]

Cena vs Rollins in a non-title main even match

 

[futballiscool]

Also a special appearance..

 

[WhiteMamba]

I always thought that how long the title was held by each wrassler is a better gauge than number of title runs.

15 time winner also means 14 time loser.

How bout how long the title was held. That would be interesting to combine all the 15 Cena title runs and 16 Flair runs to Sanmartino's 8 year run.

In # of days. That is how we should judge the title holders all time.

And also, before the two belts in one company should be a factor as well. With all these modern guys they count the WWE championship wins as well as WOrld Heavyweight championship wins.