Now what....

[awaz]

I don't get how anyone could want to fire Berube. Flyers weren't even a playoff team last season & they were on pace to have the worst record in team history before Berube turned things around. I don't see how you could fire a coach who has done all that in 1 season. Quite an impressive turnaround from what we saw during the final months of the Peter Laviolette era IMO.

i wish i could thumb's this up 50 times. anyone thinking berube should be canned is out of their mind.

 

[awaz]

With what he had,he did a great job.Hell,the Phantoms were near the bottom of the AHL in offence/defence/goaltending.

I may be of a minority consesus,but their drafting has royally sucked,the past few years.Screw the best player available mentality,and get the players that fulfill your needs.

Hard to bring up guys from the farm,when they suck down there!

I agree about their recent drafting, although they might be turning the corner with picks like Morin. & Hagg last year. I was rather impressed with how they played that.

their drafting hasn't been bad. they had no picks because they traded all of them for pronger. the NHL isn't like the NFL or NBA, most draft picks outside the top 5 take a couple years to develop. the draftin in recent years, by pretty much all accounts, has been excellent. couturier, ghost, morin, hagg, stolarz, laughton, vasilev.. all are looked at fondly across the league, they just need time. and the phantoms sucked because none of those guys played for them because they're too young.

when you make moves like they did for pronger (and a handful of other trades), you have to be ready to accept the consequences. the consequences were 4-5 years without any decent draft picks. as far as i'm concerned, since that trade, they really haven't botched a pick of importance (1st or 2nd round), in fact, i'd say they have a pretty damn stellar draft record.

 

[awaz]

Who and why in the fuck are people thinking of firing Berube??? He did amazing this year and probably would've won the jack Adams if not for Roy. He inherited a 1-7 out of shape team and not not got them conditioned but taught them a new and IMO better system for their players oh yea and got the in the playoffs. That's a pretty same good season IMO. The only way I'd replace him is if Hitchcock or Babcock was available.

I swear if Torts is coach he will ruin this team and it's players, he's a shit coach with one style. Play for a tie and let's win a shoot-out. Hey John there are no fucking who pouts in the playoffs and you can just alienate your players for fun you dumb ass. The fact that he was so out spoken about the flyers organization being full of goons and thugs before the winter classic should ensure he no where near this team thank god.

Now I saw this with love since we're all Flyers fans here but I want to punch whoever suggested brining Torts in as coach in the face hoping it will knock them out of shock that the season is over and allow then to properly think again.

We NEED to do the following...

- re-investigate Weber since his name keeps coming up just to se what the price is and if it's within the realm of reason.
- take a serious look at trading for Cody Franson
- make a very serious and aggressive attempt to sign Matt Niskanen if he's available
- consider signing Nikita Nikitan if the money was right he has great size, mobility and luck handling skills
- try to trade Hartnell & Vinny
- decide if Akeson is with the big club next year or Raffl will be a full time 3rd liner if not then try to sign Kulemin to fill one spot
- if we can move Hartnell or Vinny make a serious effort to sign Matt Moulson to play with G & Jake
- NOT TRADE AWAY either Schenns, Couturier, Simmonds, Vorachek, AMac & Coburn unless their essential to land a game changer and no more then 2 depending on who were getting ( I love the Schenns & think they'll end up both being great players but if it gets us Weber we have to make the move as an example).

Ok that's all I have for right now. I'm still trying to duct tape my heart back together. This season was an emotional roller coaster but I'm very glad & lucky I had such a passionate group of fans to share and discuss it was, yep I'm talking about you jerks

i will walk bare foot from raleigh to san fransisco butt ass naked with a sack of bricks on my back if the flyers end up with weber. it's not going to happen. i promise.

and i don't think they should sign niskanen. he will get 5+ years and then the flyers will have 5 dmen signed through 2016-2017 with no room for ghost, morin, or hagg to come up when they're ready. not to mention they'd be spending aproximately 40-45 mil of the cap on 6 dmen.

 

[banditshcky11]

i will walk bare foot from raleigh to san fransisco butt ass naked with a sack of bricks on my back if the flyers end up with weber. it's not going to happen. i promise.

and i don't think they should sign niskanen. he will get 5+ years and then the flyers will have 5 dmen signed through 2016-2017 with no room for ghost, morin, or hagg to come up when they're ready. not to mention they'd be spending aproximately 40-45 mil of the cap on 6 dmen.

I never said we'd get Weber but asking costs us nothing. As far as Niskanen blocking the way for our young guys well honestly that could be a good thing, just look at Detroit being revitalized from the players they held in the AHL. I'm also assuming if we sign Niskanen someone will be moved but honestly he'd be a great compliment to Coburn and would give us a very value able decisive scoring threat which I think we desperately need. They have about $23m in defense w/o Pronger's contract. There's nothing wrong with spending on good defenseman. I'd like to see them sign Niskanen & try to trade for Franson while getting rid of Grossman, Hartnell & Vinny(even for futures). If they got those 2 defenseman the team instantly becomes a much better breakout team with more threats at the point and we don't give up shot blocking, hits or pk guys oh and we gain speed which is lacking on our back end. It all obviously comes down to cost at the end of the day but the caps going up and we have Schenn & Hall to resign and Akeson, Gus, Heeter & McGinn to qualify if they choose to do all 4. If we move a contract or 2 we'd have more cap room and could let our young guys fully develope then trade players down the road (or probably gave some expiring contracts) when they're ready. Historically the Flyers rush their young talent and that trend needs to be broken use Detroit & LA as examples of teams who allow their prospects to fully develop and being them in usually being very successful. It would also benefit the team if ADK would adopt Berube's system and have the younger guys learning it before they're at the big show.


Again this is all just my opinion based off observations. I will say though I think we foul get Weber, we're hat not willing to pay the asking price and that's totally justifiable because I think Nashville wants not just the moon & stars but Uranus in the deal

 

[awaz]

I never said we'd get Weber but asking costs us nothing. As far as Niskanen blocking the way for our young guys well honestly that could be a good thing, just look at Detroit being revitalized from the players they held in the AHL. I'm also assuming if we sign Niskanen someone will be moved but honestly he'd be a great compliment to Coburn and would give us a very value able decisive scoring threat which I think we desperately need. They have about $23m in defense w/o Pronger's contract. There's nothing wrong with spending on good defenseman. I'd like to see them sign Niskanen & try to trade for Franson while getting rid of Grossman, Hartnell & Vinny(even for futures). If they got those 2 defenseman the team instantly becomes a much better breakout team with more threats at the point and we don't give up shot blocking, hits or pk guys oh and we gain speed which is lacking on our back end. It all obviously comes down to cost at the end of the day but the caps going up and we have Schenn & Hall to resign and Akeson, Gus, Heeter & McGinn to qualify if they choose to do all 4. If we move a contract or 2 we'd have more cap room and could let our young guys fully develope then trade players down the road (or probably gave some expiring contracts) when they're ready. Historically the Flyers rush their young talent and that trend needs to be broken use Detroit & LA as examples of teams who allow their prospects to fully develop and being them in usually being very successful. It would also benefit the team if ADK would adopt Berube's system and have the younger guys learning it before they're at the big show.


Again this is all just my opinion based off observations. I will say though I think we foul get Weber, we're hat not willing to pay the asking price and that's totally justifiable because I think Nashville wants not just the moon & stars but Uranus in the deal

to the bold: LOL! that's what'd theyd get

to the rest, i'm fine with bringing in another dman, but people need to pick what they're trying to do. if you want to wait 2-3 years for ghost/morin/hagg, then you bring free agents in. if you cant contain your excitement and want ghost to be on the big squad next season, which i've seen from a few people, then you don't sign niskanen or trade for franson.

i just want patience with the young guys. if they're ready and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they belong in the NHL next year, then fine. but if there are any doubts about them being able to hack it next year, then they shouldn't be on the big club. let them mature in the AHL.

and as far as niskanen goes, i really think he won't live up to the contract he's going to get. it would not shock me in the slightest if he got 7 mil for 7 years. he's coming off a 46 point season and is, by a wide margin, the best UFA dman. ryan suter, the prize UFA dman of last season (also coming off a 46 point season), landed a 13 year, 7.5 AAV. suter is obviously better than niskanen, but 7 mil for 7 years isn't out of the question for him i dont think. and i really don't think there's any way he's worth that. let alone on a team like the flyers that is up against the cap, and probably overspending on defense as is.

 

[banditshcky11]

Awaz you're right the Flyers have to have some continuity here, pick a pattern actually stick with it. I'm perfectly happy with leaving the young guys play in the AHL for a few years developing their skills. I personally think bringing young players up too early is the worst decision a franchise can make. To me Niskinen is a player where you have to weigh the risk vs the reward. The risk is he doesn't live up the large contract, the reward though is that he becomes a top end puck moving offensive style defensemen who is not a liability in his own zone in other words a better version of Keith Yandle. I would actually prefer to have Cody Franson over Niskinen however I think the asking price is going to be astronomical and it would not make sense to dismantle our forward core to gain one more defensemen who is an upgrade but he's not going to be a game breaker. I believe Cody is the more established of the two and brings more to the table with his physical play shotblocking and size. I would also look into trading for Christian Ehrhoff from Buffalo he is another guy who played top air minutes and is a power-play specialist which would give us another very valuable weapon that we're going to lose when Timonen retires.

As I've already stated in previous post I feel that we need to take a different approach with our prospects just like Detroit and Los Angeles does. They play their better prospects in the AHL for a few seasons so to allow them to Hone their skills before making the jump this seems to benefit the younger players unless they are blue-chip prospect who are coming out of juniors completely NHL ready. The closest thing to this type of prospect I believe we have is Scott Laughton who there may not be a roster spot on the team next year with enough ice time to allow him to grow unless they're able to trade a forward. If this is the case I would put him in the AHL next year and allow him to center the first line giving him 20 minutes a game in every type of playing situation I would do the same with most of the defensemen that we have instead of bringing them up next year. So I guess basically what I'm preaching is we need to be patient and in the meantime it would be nice to have some current NHL defenseman on our roster who give us some more mobility, speed, and good passing.

Sorry if this post reads a little dyslexic I had to use Siri because I'm driving.

 

[Retroram52]

Berube isn't going anywhere.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

their drafting hasn't been bad. they had no picks because they traded all of them for pronger. the NHL isn't like the NFL or NBA, most draft picks outside the top 5 take a couple years to develop. the draftin in recent years, by pretty much all accounts, has been excellent. couturier, ghost, morin, hagg, stolarz, laughton, vasilev.. all are looked at fondly across the league, they just need time. and the phantoms sucked because none of those guys played for them because they're too young.

when you make moves like they did for pronger (and a handful of other trades), you have to be ready to accept the consequences. the consequences were 4-5 years without any decent draft picks. as far as i'm concerned, since that trade, they really haven't botched a pick of importance (1st or 2nd round), in fact, i'd say they have a pretty damn stellar draft record.

They've gotten good players in the draft, I think their strategy was always to pick the best player available. Meanwhile, the dman position went neglected until now. I think they've done a good job of addressing this position the past season tho.

Makes you feel better, my Pens have done the complete opposite. Draft a dman year after year, but we have no prospective forwards in the system.

 

[raptorlife4]

anyone have a list of free agent D-men?>

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

anyone have a list of free agent D-men?>

Here you go dude…

Top NHL Unrestricted Free Agents

 

[JBM73]

Hard to bring up guys from the farm,when they suck down there!

The Flyers have a definite history of drafting poorly outside of the 1st round. Hopefully Hagg, Stolarz and Ghost can begin to change that.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Here you go dude…

Top NHL Unrestricted Free Agents

Looking at that list, a lower tier guy I wouldn't mind as a 6th/7th d-man is Mike Kostka - he can log some minutes and in a lesser role he did well in Chicago and Tampa

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Looking at that list, a lower tier guy I wouldn't mind as a 6th/7th d-man is Mike Kostka - he can log some minutes and in a lesser role he did well in Chicago and Tampa

Kostka is a good one, nothing flashy, but certainly a good defensive/physical presence.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Curious what the Jets do with Zach Redmond - he's a UFA but he's young and he has a bright future, Jets are deep on defense so maybe he goes elsewhere - he's only 25 years old

Zach Redmond NHL Salary Contract History

 

[FlyerFinFan]

With what he had,he did a great job.Hell,the Phantoms were near the bottom of the AHL in offence/defence/goaltending.

I may be of a minority consesus,but their drafting has royally sucked,the past few years.Screw the best player available mentality,and get the players that fulfill your needs.

Hard to bring up guys from the farm,when they suck down there!

Hey 4th you have to realize it's the exact opposite most of our prospects were good enough to play in the NHL that's why the cupboard seems bare in the AHL. If the Flyers ran things like the wings Couts, Schenn, Read would all have been in the minors a lot longer and the Phantoms would be better for it but since they were ready why not bring them up? Because of this there's a gap now as the new prospects are just starting to sign pro contracts to replenish the ones who already made the jump.

As for torts no way let someone else take that clown. Chief did well!

 

[mall3013]

If Berube goes, which won't happen. I'd like Trotz to run the system here.

 

[lasgop8]

If Berube goes, which won't happen. I'd like Trotz to run the system here.

After this season I think Berube is safe.

 

[awaz]

trotz is a hot name.. but i actually don't want to see him as the flyers coach. granted i think there's a 0% chance berube gets fired.

trotz gets the most out of lesser talented teams. he plays somewhat of a suffocating defensive style that is 1. boring, and 2. doesn't play to the flyers strengths IMO. he's kinda like torts except without the ridiculous personality.

great coach, dont get me wrong, just not the one i would want.

 

[banditshcky11]

Hey guys, so I needed to take some time after the debacle against the Rags to be able to even have a chance to intelligently contribute to this conversation. I've spent a good deal of time thinking about this subject and feel that I now have a solid opinion on what the Flyers should do or at least attempt to do.

1. Start deciding right now what you're doing with Laughton, Ghost, Stolarz & Morin since this impacts everything else. I know you can't be sure that they'll be ready to play until camp but if it's already been decided to give them more time to develop just stick with that decision.

2. Sign Matt Niskanen, if he is not available offer sheet Cody Franson ASAP. Toronto has too many holes to match a good offer sheet right now unless they're happy being non-contenders again which doesn't sit too well in TOR.
3. Sign Matt Moulson (to play with Giroux and Vorachekl, if he's not available then look at Ales Hemsky for 1-2 years IF and only IF the money makes sense (he's bring a lot of talent to the 2nd line where he would be protected, oh and he can play the left side which is something we need).
4. Trade Vinny to Nashville for MDZ (package another player/prospect/pick since I doubt Vinny would get either done straight up). If we package another roster player obviously get more in return since MDZ will want a raise I'm sure.
5. Sign Brian Elliot or re-sign Emery either would be really nice back-ups to Mason and he could continue learning from them.
6. Make Hartnell & Streit available see what kind of offers you get and if they'll agree to be traded.

I think we'd be able to make these kinds of moves if we were able to move Vinny's salary. Remember we don't need to sign B Schenn offically till camp and I know the Pronger money comes off somewhere around there.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Hey guys, so I needed to take some time after the debacle against the Rags to be able to even have a chance to intelligently contribute to this conversation. I've spent a good deal of time thinking about this subject and feel that I now have a solid opinion on what the Flyers should do or at least attempt to do.

1. Start deciding right now what you're doing with Laughton, Ghost, Stolarz & Morin since this impacts everything else. I know you can't be sure that they'll be ready to play until camp but if it's already been decided to give them more time to develop just stick with that decision.

2. Sign Matt Niskanen, if he is not available offer sheet Cody Franson ASAP. Toronto has too many holes to match a good offer sheet right now unless they're happy being non-contenders again which doesn't sit too well in TOR.
3. Sign Matt Moulson (to play with Giroux and Vorachekl, if he's not available then look at Ales Hemsky for 1-2 years IF and only IF the money makes sense (he's bring a lot of talent to the 2nd line where he would be protected, oh and he can play the left side which is something we need).
4. Trade Vinny to Nashville for MDZ (package another player/prospect/pick since I doubt Vinny would get either done straight up). If we package another roster player obviously get more in return since MDZ will want a raise I'm sure.
5. Sign Brian Elliot or re-sign Emery either would be really nice back-ups to Mason and he could continue learning from them.
6. Make Hartnell & Streit available see what kind of offers you get and if they'll agree to be traded.

I think we'd be able to make these kinds of moves if we were able to move Vinny's salary. Remember we don't need to sign B Schenn offically till camp and I know the Pronger money comes off somewhere around there.

2) No to both of those scenarios

3) I like both guys, Hemsky would be a nice fit at the right price

4) I would think with Lavy being there, they'd want to give MDZ a shot, but I wouldn't mind that deal

5) Brian Elliott re-signed in STL so he's not available now - I'd like them to sign Al Montoya from the Jets, he was good this season

6) Yes to Scott Hartnell, no to Mark Streit - Mark Streit is too key to their defense to move him, he can run the PP really well, he had 10 goals and 40 points this season, that wouldn't be easy to replace