Nolan Ryan

[gohuskresurrected]

Arguably the best pitcher I've seen in my lifetime.

Why you arguing with yourself?

 

[msgkings322]

Explain

If you were alive to watch Ryan pitch you were also alive to watch better pitchers like Martinez and Johnson and Seaver and Maddux and Clemens pitch

 

[packerzrule]

If you were alive to watch Ryan pitch you were also alive to watch better pitchers like Martinez and Johnson and Seaver and Maddux and Clemens pitch

I did and feel Ryan was better than all of them.

 

[navamind]

Pedro Martínez vs. Randy Johnson vs. Greg Maddux vs. Tom Seaver vs. Nolan Ryan: Head-to-Head Stats Comparison | Stathead.com

Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Pedro Martínez and Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux and Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com

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[navamind]

Pedro Martínez vs. Randy Johnson vs. Greg Maddux vs. Tom Seaver vs. Nolan Ryan: Head-to-Head Stats Comparison | Stathead.com

Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Pedro Martínez and Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux and Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com

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here's the one with Clemens:

Tom Seaver vs. Randy Johnson vs. Roger Clemens vs. Pedro Martínez vs. Nolan Ryan vs. Greg Maddux: Head-to-Head Stats Comparison | Stathead.com

Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Tom Seaver and Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens and Pedro Martínez and Nolan Ryan and Greg Maddux including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com

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[msgkings322]

I did and feel Ryan was better than all of them.

Good for you, it's just sports you can feel whatever you want. It's objectively not correct though.

Ryan was certainly among the best, and his longevity is unmatched, but there were others who were more effective at winning games.

 

[jon2tanman]

Randy Johnsons win totals would have been better if he Waterton a few bad Mariners teams. Also as stated before, Nolan Ryan was also on some bad teams. Felix Hernandez will never sniff the hall as he was, as you put it "not affective at winning games". The fact is the Mariners stunk for so many of those years.

 

[packerzrule]

Good for you, it's just sports you can feel whatever you want. It's objectively not correct though.

Ryan was certainly among the best, and his longevity is unmatched, but there were others who were more effective at winning games.

Not too many........

 

[msgkings322]

Not too many........

Winning effectiveness/percentage there were quite a few. He lost almost as many as he won

 

[gohuskresurrected]

Randy Johnsons win totals would have been better if he Waterton a few bad Mariners teams. Also as stated before, Nolan Ryan was also on some bad teams. Felix Hernandez will never sniff the hall as he was, as you put it "not affective at winning games". The fact is the Mariners stunk for so many of those years.

His control problems early in his career didn't help him out. And fittingly enough he gives Nolan Ryan a lot of credit for fixing them.

 

[navamind]

His control problems early in his career didn't help him out. And fittingly enough he gives Nolan Ryan a lot of credit for fixing them.

Yup. Johnson got his walks sorted out in 1993, his age 29 season. Pretty wild to think 95.9 of his 103.5 WAR comes from age 29 onwards.

 

[wilwhite]

Good for you, it's just sports you can feel whatever you want. It's objectively not correct though.

Ryan was certainly among the best, and his longevity is unmatched, but there were others who were more effective at winning games.

There were pitchers that had stretches of several years where they were ridiculously good. Nolan Ryan never had such a stretch. But in the long run he had more ridiculously good games than anyone.

At the top of his game he was quite literally unhittable. But he mixed in a lot of games where he was very hittable.

 

[msgkings322]

There were pitchers that had stretches of several years where they were ridiculously good. Nolan Ryan never had such a stretch. But in the long run he had more ridiculously good games than anyone.

At the top of his game he was quite literally unhittable. But he mixed in a lot of games where he was very hittable.

Never best in the league, never Cy Young winner

 

[msgkings322]

There were pitchers that had stretches of several years where they were ridiculously good. Nolan Ryan never had such a stretch. But in the long run he had more ridiculously good games than anyone.

At the top of his game he was quite literally unhittable. But he mixed in a lot of games where he was very hittable.

I will say this...Ryan was not the most efficient for winning, but he was arguably the most exciting and entertaining and watchable pitcher in the modern era. That counts for greatness too.

 

[wilwhite]

Never best in the league, never Cy Young winner

On the other hand his best 35 games were better than anybody else's best 35 games. He just, ya know... spread them out.

 

[msgkings322]

On the other hand his best 35 games were better than anybody else's best 35 games. He just, ya know... spread them out.

He’s an all time great for sure. Not the best pitcher of the modern era though.

 

[nynasty]

And the Mets traded him for Jim Fregosi

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Never best in the league, never Cy Young winner

he had a couple could have been CY... he had a few seasons in question to be the best in the league... so i wouldnt say never...

 

[msgkings322]

he had a couple could have been CY... he had a few seasons in question to be the best in the league... so i wouldnt say never...

Most of the greats 'could have been' CY sometimes if they never actually got there. Hard to call a guy who never won it the best pitcher of the modern era.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Most of the greats 'could have been' CY sometimes if they never actually got there. Hard to call a guy who never won it the best pitcher of the modern era.

fair... which i am not... of course... just saying using the never won a CY is not always an indicator to the players greatness...

i do wonder where he would land in a pitchers ranking... i can easily see him being top 20... but top 5, no way...