No HOFers NFL Draft Playoff 2 : Gold-500-Stoke

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Remember to rank the teams 1st - 2nd - 3rd ... First being best...

GOLD

OFFENSE
QB - Randall Cunningham
RB - Eddie George
FB - Lorenzo Neal
WR - Henry Ellard
WR - Drew Pearson
WR - Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Jay Novacek
LT - Joe Jacoby
LG - Bob Kuechenberg
C - Jay Hilgenberg
RG - Max Montoya
RT - Harris Barton

DEFENSE
LDE - Kevin Carter
LDT - Henry Thomas
RDT - La'Roi Glover
RDE - Clyde Simmons
LLB - Matt Blair
MLB - Jessie Tuggle
RLB - Bill Romanowski
LCB - Everson Walls
RCB - Ken Riley
NCB - Bobby Bryant
SS - Rodney Harrison
FS - Merton Hanks

VERSUS

500

OFFENSE
QB - Phil Simms
RB - Ricky Watters
FB - Larry Centers
WR - Sterling Sharpe
WR - Torry Holt
WR - Mike Quick
TE - Mark Bavaro
LT - Richmond Webb
LG - Nate Newton
C - Rich Saul
RG - Marco Rivera
RT - George Kunz

DEFENSE
LDE - Art Still
NT - Fred Smerlas
RDE - Hugh Douglas
LOLB - Cornelius Bennett
LILB - Pepper Johnson
RILB - Vaughan Johnson
ROLB - Robert Brazile
LCB - Lemar Parrish
LCB - Pat Fischer
NCB - Cornell Green
SS - John Lynch
FS - Cliff Harris

VERSUS

STOKE

OFFENSE
QB - Kurt Warner
RB - Roger Craig
RB - James Brooks
WR - Isaac Bruce
WR - Stanley Morgan
WR - Herman Moore
TE - Todd Christensen
LT - Jim Lachey
LG - John Niland
C - Tom Nalen
RG - Dick Stanfel
RT - Ralph Neely

DEFENSE
LDE - Jacob Green
DT - Steve McMichael
RDE - Greg Townsend
LOLB - Leslie O'Neal
ILB - Hardy Nickerson
ILB - Scott Studwell
ROLB - Simon Fletcher
LCB - Eric Davis
RCB - Dave Brown
NCB - James Hasty
SS - Dennis Smith
FS - Eugene Robinson

 

[Nosferatu]

GOLD - 18
500 - 22
STOKE - 14

RANKED - Nos, Stoke, Gold, Ritz, Milk, 500, EHB, WLK, UK


Remember low score wins and top two teams advance.

 

[blstoker]

QB – Kurt Warner (1998-2009) – 4x Pro Bowl; 2x All Pro; 2x MVP, 113 AV
Career 67-49 Rec, 2666-4070 65.5% 32344 208-128 93.7 Rating
Playoffs 9-4 Rec , 307-462 66.5% 3952 31-14 102.8 Rating

Innovative leader of “The Greatest Show on Turf”, highly accurate in offense that ate up chunks of yardage. 5 playoff appearances in 8 years as a starter (8 or more starts) plus 3 Super Bowl appearances (1 win+ MVP) with 2 teams. Among eligible quarterbacks in draft; ranked #1 in completion percentage , yards per game and quarterback rating.

HB – James Brooks (1981-1992) – 4x Pr Bowl, 103 AV
Career 162 G 1685-7962 4.7 AVG 49 TD 383-3621 9.5 AVG 30 TD
Playoffs 9 G 58-216 3.7 AVG 1 TD 15-149 9.9 AVG 3 TD

One of my all time favorite Rbs. 4 times averaged over 5 yards a carry for a season (combined for 4261 yards rushing those seasons). Averaged better than 10 yards per catch 4 times as well. 3X had 1500 yards from scrimmage & 5x with 9 or more total offensive touchdowns.

FB – Roger Craig (1983-1993) – 4x Pro Bowl , 1x All Pro, 115 AV
Career 165 G 1991-8189 4.1 AVG 56 TD, 566-4911 8.7 AVG 17 TD
Playoff 18 G 208-841 4.0 AVG 7 TD, 63-606 9.6 AVG 2 TD

Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk was Marshall Faulk. First 1000/1000 player. His 244 catches from 1984-1986 is second only to Larry Center's 277 (1994-1996) among Fbs over 3 years in NFL history. #2 RB in career AV in this draft (#1 FB).

WR – Isaac Bruce (1994-2009) – 4x Pro Bowl, 137 AV
Career 223 G 1024-15208 14.9 AVG 91 TD, 25-139 5.6 AVG 0 TD
Playoff G 44-759 17.3 AVG 4 TD

Lead receiver with Warner's Rams offense, had 1000 yards every year Warner was the starter in St. Louis. Led NFL in receiving yards in 1996 (1338), and was second in 1995 (1781). Among eliibile WRs, ranked #1 in yards and ranked #2 in Receptions and TDs. Ranked #4 among eligible receivers that have 10,000 yards in YPC.

WR - Stanley Morgan (1977-1990) – 4x Pro Bowl, 109 AV
Career 196 G 557-10716 19.2 AVG 72 TD, 21-127 6.0 AVG 0 TD
Playoffs 7 G 18-302 16.8 AVG 3 TD

Always felt he should have a place in Canton. Led league in YPC 3 times (1979-1981). Averaged at least 20 YPC for each of first 6 seasons (including 2 1000 yard seasons and 1 at 991). Highest YPC among 10,000 yard receivers. Best QB he played with was Steve Grogan.

WR – Herman Moore (1991-2002) – 4x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro, 94 AV
Career 146 G 670-9174 13.7 AVG 62 TD
Playoffs 7 G 27-474 17.6 AVG 2 TD

Second player to catch 100 passes in 3 straight seasons (1995-1997), Jerry Rice did it 1994-1996 (Wes Welker and Brandon Marshall have also done it). Averaged 86 catches, 1190 yards 8 TDs per season from 1992-1998, with Scott Mitchell as his best QB. Led league in receptions twice (1995 & 1997).

LT – Jim Lachey (1985-1995) – 3x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro, 92 AV
Career 131 G 129 GS
Playoffs 7G 7 GS

Part of line that produced – 2 #1 scoring offenses, 1 #1 offense, 2 #1 passing offenses, 4 4000 yard passing seasons, 2 1000 yard rushers

LG – John Niland (1966-1975) – 6x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro 89 AV
Career 138 G 126 GS
Playoffs 15 G 15 GS

Part of line that produced (stats adjusted for 14 games schedule) – 3 #1 scoring offenses, 5 #1 offense, 2 #1 passing offense, 4000 yard passing seasons, 3 # 1 rushing offenses, 9 2000 yard rushing seasons, 3 1000 yard rushers

C - Tom Nalen (1994-2007) – 5x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro, 129 AV
Career 194 G 188 GS
Playoffs 13 G 13 GS

Part of line that produced – 1 #1 scoring offenses, 2 #1 offense, 5 4000 yard passing seasons, 1 # 1 rushing offenses, 9 2000 yard rushing seasons, 10 1000 yard rushers

RG – Dick Stanfel (1952-1958) – 5x Pro Bowl, 5x All Pro,
Career 73 G (12 game seasons)

Part of line that produced (stats are adjusted for 12 game seasons)– 1 #1 scoring offenses,6 2000 yard rushing seasons

RT - Ralph Neely (1965-1977) – 2x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro, 108 AV
Career 172 G 168 GS (14 game seasons)
Playoffs 19 G 19 GS

Part of line that produced (stats adjusted for 14 games schedule) – 3 #1 scoring offenses, 6 #1 offense, 2 #1 passing offense, 3 # 1 rushing offenses, 12 2000 yard rushing seasons, 5 1000 yard rushers

DE – Jacob Green (1980-1992) – 2x Pro Bowl, 106 AV
Career 180 G, 176 GS 3 INT 2 TD 17 FR 2 TD 97.5 Sack, 718 Tackles
Playoffs 7 G 7 GS 3.5 Sack

Played DE in both 4-3 & 3-4. Seahawks career sack leader (sacks only tracked from 1982 and on) and tied for sixth all time at time of retirement. Unofficial stats list him with 116 career sacks with 6.5 and 12 in 1980 & 1981 added on, as well as 718 career tackles. 5 10 sack seasons (4 as a 3-4 DE) including career high 16 in 1983.

NT - Steve McMichael (1980-1994) – 2x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro, 127 AV
Career 213 G 171 GS 2 INT 17 FR 95 Sack, 838 tackles, 3 safety
Playoffs 14 G 11 GS 1 FR 5.5 Sack

Played NT in 3-4 & DT in 4-3 & 46. Though considered small for NT/DT today – was not when he played (Seattle's Joe Nash was 278 lbs while compiling highest single seasons AV for a NT in NFL history). #2 all time on Bears sack list, and has the most for any eligible player who's main position was DT. 3 10 sack seasons including career high 11.5 in 1988, and 1 100 tackle season.

DE – Greg Townsend (1983-1997) – 2x Pro Bowl, 74 AV
Career 190 G 102 GS 3 INT 1 TD 8 FR 3 TD 109.5 Sack, 363 tackles (partial) 2 safety
Playoffs 10 G 5 GS 7.5 sack

Played DE, OLB & NT in 3-4 and DE & DT in 4-3. 7 10 sack seasons (4 as 3-4 DE) including career high 13 in 1991.

OLB – Leslie O'Neal (1986-1999) – 6x Pro Bowl, 114 AV
Career 196 G 178 GS 3 INT 1 TD 16 FR 1 TD 132.5 sack, 768 Tackle
Playoffs 6 G 6 GS 1 INT 2 sack

Played DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4. 8 10 sack seasons, including career high 17 in 1992. Ranked #2 in sacks among players eligible for this draft (only Kevin Green has more).

ILB - Scott Studwell (1977-1990) – 2x Pro Bowl, 94 AV
Career 201 G 160 GS 11 INT 16 FR 9 sack 1981 tackles
Playoffs 12 G 8 GS 1 INT 2 sack

I've loved this guy since I was a kid (on of my first football cards). Played ILB in the 3-4 and MLB in the 4-3. Holds Vikings records for tackles in a career (1981), a season (230) and a game (24) and has more tackles with one organization than any player in history. Had at least 2 200 tackle seasons. Doesn't get enough national respect (IMO).

ILB - Hardy Nickerson (1987-2002) – 5x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro, 129 AV
Career 225 G 200 GS 12 INT 14 FR 21 sack 1584 tackles
Playoffs 8 G 8 GS 1 INT

Played ILB in 3-4 and MLB in 4-3. 8 100 tackle seasons, 1 200 tackle season including career high 214 in 1993.

OLB - Simon Fletcher (1985-1995) 77 AV
Career 172 G 143 GS 2 INT 10 FR 97.5 sack 828 tackles 1 safety
Playoffs 12 G 9 GS 6 sacks

Played OLB in 3-4, DE in 4-3. Ranked second for career sacks without a pro bowl appearnce (Jim Jeffcoat is #1 with 102.5). 5 10 sack seasons including a career high 16 in 1992 and 2 100 tackle seasons.

CB – Dave Brown (1975-1989) – 1x Pro Bowl, 99 AV
Career 216 G 203 GS 62 INT 5 TD 12 FR
Playoffs 8 G 8 GS

One of my favorite Seahawks of all time (team career leader in INTs with 50). Ranked second in INTs among eligible players (Ken Riley is #1 at 65). Had an astounding 12 seasons with at least 3 interceptioons (1976-1989), including 7 straight to close out his career. 7 5 interception seasons, including a career high 8 in 1984.

CB – James Hasty (1988-2001) – 2x Pro Bowl, 102 AV
Career 206 G 201 GS 45 INT 4 TD 24 FR 1 TD 10 sack 909 tackles
Playoffs 3 G 3 GS

9 seasons with at least 3 interceptions including career high 7 in 1999.

CB – Eric Davis (1990-2002) – 2x Pro Bowl, 1x All Pro, 82 AV
Career 188 G 150 GS 38 INT, 4 TD, 12 FR 1 TD 2 sacks 659 tackles
Playoffs 12 G 10 GS 6 INT 1 TD

5 5 interception seasons, all with 5 interceptions from 1996-2000. 8 seasons with at least 3 interceptions.

FS – Eugene Robinson (1985-2000) – 3x Pro Bowl, 123 AV
Career 250 G 232 GS 57 INT 1 TD 22 FR 1 TD 7.5 sack 1413 tackles
Playoffs 11 G 11 GS 5 INT

10 3 interception seasons (5 with 5) including career high 9 in 1993. 5 100 tackle seasons including career high 115 in 1988.

SS - Dennis Smith (1981-1994) – 6x Pro Bowl, 98 AV
Career 184 G 170 GS 30 INT 17 FR 1 TD 15 sack 1158 Tackles
Playoffs 12 G 12 GS 2 IN

6 3 interception seasons, including career high 5 in 1991. 5 100 tackles seasons including career high 120 in 1992.

 

[Nosferatu]

Forgive me fellas this one took me a while.

I love 500's passing game i'm just not sure Simms was the best choice to lead a passing attack.

I love Stokes trio of Warner, Craig & Bruce.

I think I like Golds team best here, I like his O-line he would have a good run game and although ive never been a fan of Keyshawn or Pearson I think his offense is good.

This one was really difficult for me, if I sat here another twenty minutes I might have a different ranking.

1. Gold
2. Stoke
3. 500

 

[blstoker]

Stoker
500
Gold

I think I have the strongest offense, and the key is Warner, Brooks and Craig. I love my WRs and I think they would be able to run any combination of patterns that would force other teams to concentrate on all of them, and that's without Todd Christensen wreaking havoc, but the RBs out of the backfield will be more than just about any defense can handle with the other talent on this offense. This offense would be the greatest show to watch.

Defensively, I have 500 sacks among the 5 pass rushers and 230 INTs among the DBs. If you give this offense a lead at all, those players will be able to completely destroy a passing offense with pressure and ball hawking. Stillwell and Nickerson are just tackling machines, Stillwell especially. It wouldn't be as easy to run as would be believed.

As for the other teams, I like 500's offense better, and Gold's defense. In all, I would lean slightly 500, but very slightly.

 

[Gold Rush 86]

1. Gold 2. 500 3. JJ Stokes

 

[Ritzarmy]

1. Stoke
2. Gold
3. 500

This was by far the hardest for me to decide. I likes Stokes QB/WR combo better. I like some of Gold's defense more then the other 2's. 500 I like some offense players more then the other 2's. Basically if I could have a tie it would be tied between gold and 500 very close those 2 teams. I just feel stoke has a slight edge on them both.

 

[ehb5]

Gold
Spoke
500

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yea, this is by far the hardest... Wish people wrote more so i could absorb more...

But i will go

1. Stoke- best offensive skill positions
2. Gold- best defensive secondary
3. 500-

 

[Pack 500]

Yea, this is by far the hardest... Wish people wrote more so i could absorb more...

But i will go

1. Stoke- best offensive skill positions
2. Gold- best defensive secondary
3. 500-

Lol nice thoughts on my team

 

[Pack 500]

1. 500
2. Stoke
3. Gold

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Lol nice thoughts on my team

yea i had none...LOL

 

[wlk3]

Stoke
Gold
500

 

[UK Cowboy]

I agree with most everyone, this was the toughest matchup to decide because it wasn't close between two teams but all 3. I liked 500's defense a lot, I thought his OLB pressure worked well with his corners manning up. I thought Warner was a great fit for Stoke in the personnel scheme he has at both RB and WR. I've got Gold 3rd, but if he traded QB's with either team, I would have probably ranked him first, just not a big fan of McDaniel, I thought he could make the spectacular play, but too many mistakes too

Stoke
500
Gold

 

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Top 2 move on.