NFL Combine (Wide Receivers) - Seahawk Targets

[Logicallylethal]

Let's first look at potential WRs for the Seahawks

* = Unofficial


1) Sammie Coates
- 4.43 (40 time)*
- 41 inch (Vertical)
- 23 reps (Bench Press)
- 131 inch (Broad Jump)

2) Chris Conley
- 4.35 (40 time)*
- 45 inch (Vertical)
- 18 reps (Bench Press)
- 139 inch (Broad Jump)

3) Phillip Dorsett
- 4.33 (40 time)*
- 37 inch (Vertical)
- 13 reps (Bench Press)
- 122 inch (Broad Jump)

4) Dorial Green-Beckham
- 4.49 (40 time)*
- 33 inch (Vertical)
- 13 reps (Bench Press)
- 119 inch (Broad Jump)

5) Davante Parker
- 4.45 (40 time)*
- 36.5 inch (Vertical)
- 13 reps (Bench Press)
- 125 inch (Broad Jump)

6) Devin Smith
- 4.42 (40 time)*
- 39 inch (Vertical)
- 10 reps (Bench Press)
- 122 inch (Broad Jump)

7) Jaelen Strong
- 4.42 (40 time)*
- 42 inch (Vertical)
- N/A reps (Bench Press)
- 123 inch (Broad Jump)

8) Kevin White
- 4.35 (40 time)*
- 36.5 inch (Vertical)
- 23 reps (Bench Press)
- 123 inch (Broad Jump)

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Conley had a nice combine. DGB not so much.

 

[Logicallylethal]

Conley had a nice combine. DGB not so much.

Yeah very disappointing all around by DGB. How are you 6'5 and 230 some and get out benched by everyone. Below average vertical too. Height and wing span is important but so is the ability to leap and snatch the ball at its highest point.

I'll take a 6'3 or 6'2 guy with a 40 + vertical over a 6'5 with a 33 vertical

All these comparisons to Josh Gordon or even Calvin Johnson were way off based. He's a slightly faster Kelvin Benjamin

I say he drops to round 2 or 3 now unless someone falls in love with his size

 

[Logicallylethal]

Jaelen Strong probably raised his draft stock today a bit. He was 2nd rounder with a potential to squeak his way into the 1st round. But I think he solidified his place somewhere in the first unless teams just aren't looking for wrs

I wanted to see Devin Smith run a blazing 40 somewhere in the 4.3 something range. 4.42 is still very good though.

 

[seattlefan75]

I dont put to much stock into the combine unless the player did terrible for example todd gurly coming off that serious knee injury if he goes out there and runs a 4.6 or something to me that would be a red flag. but honestly is there a huge difference between a 4.42 and a 4.35? If we did a second combine after a week im pretty sure a lot of the players times would be different

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Nobody puts much stock in the combine. Mostly weeds out some that have piss poor numbers across the board, or at least drops their value.

 

[SteelersPride]

funny thing is most guys you have listed there carry 1st to 2nd round grades. and conley carries like a 6-7th/UFA

 

[HaroldSeattle]

funny thing is most guys you have listed there carry 1st to 2nd round grades. and conley carries like a 6-7th/UFA

I haven't dove into the draft much, but Conley is a 6-7/UFA ? I think you may be off on that projection.

 

[SteelersPride]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824756/chris-conley

 

[HaroldSeattle]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824756/chris-conley

Mmmm, interesting. I'm guessing they are off base. Besides he was listed because he fits into what the Seahawks need at WR. If he goes low and the Seahawks can fill a need...very cool.

 

[SteelersPride]

im sure they are, projections are all over the palce on most guys.

I know he fits, my point was, if you can get him round 4+ why drop a 1 on the others

 

[HaroldSeattle]

im sure they are, projections are all over the palce on most guys.

I know he fits, my point was, if you can get him round 4+ why drop a 1 on the others

Why indeed.

 

[Logicallylethal]

This is how I view 40 speeds

4.2 range = Once in a generation speed (Chris Johnson, Randy Moss, Michael Vick, Deion Sanders)

4.3 range = Blazing speed (Calvin Johnson, Desean Jackson, Percy Harvin, Julio Jones)

4.4 range = Good speed (Andre Johnson, Antonio Brown, Victor Cruz)

4.5 range = Good enough (AJ Green, Jordy Nelson, Brandon Marshall)


Speed doesn't guarantee that you will be good or successful in the league, but if you run a 4.5 or 4.6 you better have great size and/or good hands and route running

 

[SteelersPride]

This is how I view 40 speeds

4.2 range = Once in a generation speed (Chris Johnson, Randy Moss, Michael Vick, Deion Sanders)

4.3 range = Blazing speed (Calvin Johnson, Desean Jackson, Percy Harvin, Julio Jones)

4.4 range = Good speed (Andre Johnson, Antonio Brown, Victor Cruz)

4.5 range = Good enough (AJ Green, Jordy Nelson, Brandon Marshall)


Speed doesn't guarantee that you will be good or successful in the league, but if you run a 4.5 or 4.6 you better have great size and/or good hands and route running

vick never even ran an offical 40, ran a 4.36 at mini camp

 

[HaroldSeattle]

vick never even ran an offical 40, ran a 4.36 at mini camp

Not important.

 

[Screamin12th]

I don't look into the 40 to much. These times are them running in shorts so meh. the difference between someone running a 4.35 and a 4.50 in the 40 is like 18 inches and in a game that means the 4.5 guy had the 4.35 guy well covered lol. Now add in all the bumping and pushing and the change of directions and you see why 40 times are not to be looked at to hard. The 3 cone drill and shuttles are a better thing to look at and they just show the ability to change directions ( good for LB when avoiding traffic and RB and for cuts by the WR. )

i would like to see them add a 10 and 20 yard dash to the combine. This would show explosion and off the line quickness that the 40 doesn't. The 40 is long enough for striders to make up for slow starts.

 

[cdumler7]

I don't look into the 40 to much. These times are them running in shorts so meh. the difference between someone running a 4.35 and a 4.50 in the 40 is like 18 inches and in a game that means the 4.5 guy had the 4.35 guy well covered lol. Now add in all the bumping and pushing and the change of directions and you see why 40 times are not to be looked at to hard. The 3 cone drill and shuttles are a better thing to look at and they just show the ability to change directions ( good for LB when avoiding traffic and RB and for cuts by the WR. )

i would like to see them add a 10 and 20 yard dash to the combine. This would show explosion and off the line quickness that the 40 doesn't. The 40 is long enough for striders to make up for slow starts.

It is a bit more than 18 inches. NFL Network did one of their place players from past drafts in the 40 against what a player did today to compare and one that was very interesting was that of Kevin White matched up against Sherman and Peterson. In 40 yards he had probably a 5-7 foot lead on Sherman. In the NFL that is a pretty big window for a decent quarterback to hit on the deep throw. Now you are right that with all the pushing and shoving that goes on plus the over the top help that there is in NFL it doesn't happen very often where somebody gets beat over the top anymore but I do think an elite speedster like that of Kevin White makes the room for error for even the elite corners in the game very small. He gets that one step and he can easily be gone.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000472966/White-vs-Peterson-vs-Sherman-simulcam

Here is the video for you to watch and just see what kind of difference that type of speed makes.

 

[Screamin12th]

I should add why i would like to see a 10 and 20, these would show the people best suited for the WCO and it would show you who the striders are. Striders are good for like say kick offf coverage and gunners but they normally don't have success in other areas ( think of Lockette he is a strider )

 

[Screamin12th]

It is a bit more than 18 inches. NFL Network did one of their place players from past drafts in the 40 against what a player did today to compare and one that was very interesting was that of Kevin White matched up against Sherman and Peterson. In 40 yards he had probably a 5-7 foot lead on Sherman. In the NFL that is a pretty big window for a decent quarterback to hit on the deep throw. Now you are right that with all the pushing and shoving that goes on plus the over the top help that there is in NFL it doesn't happen very often where somebody gets beat over the top anymore but I do think an elite speedster like that of Kevin White makes the room for error for even the elite corners in the game very small. He gets that one step and he can easily be gone.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000472966/White-vs-Peterson-vs-Sherman-simulcam

Here is the video for you to watch and just see what kind of difference that type of speed makes.

They also showed Winston and Mariota in the 40 overlap. 1 ran a 4.5 the other a 4.92 and he only had like a 7 yard advantage at the end. You would think a 4.51 vs a 4.92 the advantage would be much bigger, it just isn't. The Difference between a 0.1-0.15 is "he is still covered" where 0.4 to 0.5 is he is wide open. Remember these are straight lined in shorts running. Massive different in pads with someone all over you and running a route.

 

[Screamin12th]

Also Cdumler7 those simulcast are bullshit. PP ran a 4.34 and white ran a 4.35 so how did he beat him? He didn't but they used PP slowest 40 and doctored it and Sherman well heck he had a 40 of 4.56 and i am sure they did the same doctoring they did with PP 40 who like i said ran a 4.34 which was FASTER than Whites but wait ...what how did white beat him if his time was slower?? yeah that's right.

It's neat to see things like that but at least they could keep it real. We know what they ran so why fake it lmao.